[Fwd: Re: Isabel, Countess of [Buchan]]
Douglas Richardson
Joan le Latimer, widow of Alexander Comyn, of Buchan (and mother of
Alice Comyn, wife of Henry de Beaumont) returned to England following
her husband's death which took place sometime before Easter, 1309.
She was assigned to live on a couple manors in Yorkshire and regularly
appears in crown records until as late as 1 October 1340 [Reference:
Calendar of Close Rolls, 1339-1341, published 1901, pg. 541].
Presumably she died soon afterwards.
In article <382B6F...@erols.com>, ther...@erols.com (John
Ravilious) wrote:
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> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 20:37:23 -0500
> From: John Ravilious <ther...@erols.com>
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> heidi_...@my-deja.com wrote:
> >
> > In article <380F84...@erols.com>,
> > ther...@erols.com wrote:
> > >
> > > In responding to the question concerning Isabel
> 'MacDuff':
> > >
> > 2. As noted in Professor Barrow's _Robert Bruce_ (1965),
> > > Countess Isabel of Buchan and Mary Bruce, sister of
> Robert
> > > _the Bruce_ (and future wife of Campbell of Loch Awe)
> were
> > > both caged by Edward I. Mary Bruce was held at
> Roxburgh
> > > castle, and Countess Isabel at Berwick castle, after
> their
> > > capture in 1306 until (at least for Countess Isabel)
> June
> > > 1310 (pp. 229-230). She did not, in fact, die _in
> her cage_.
> > >
> > She was handed into the custody of Sir Henry Beaumont in
> 1313
> > directly upon her release from her cage in Berwick (Ronal McNair
> > Scott, Robert the Bruce, 1991. He cites his source as Calendar
> of
> > Documents relating to Scotland iii, 313, ed J Bain (1881-88)).
> > She isn't referred to again after this point. I see that
> you
> > called him (Henry Beaumont) titular Earl (can you explain this
> term?).
> > How did he receive this title? Did it come from his wife? Henry
> > Beaumont married Alice Comyn daughter of Sir Alexander Comyn I'm
> not
> > sure if he's the same person as Alexander Comyn, Earl of Buchan)
> their
> > daughter was also named Isabel. To whom did the Earldom of
> Buchan pass
> > next? Why was the Earldom of Buchan in wardship in 1309?
> > Did Isabel, Countess of Buchan have any children before her
> > imprisonment in the cage? When was she married?
> > Going backwards, how was Isabel's husband, John Comyn, (the
> > third?)
> > Earl of Buchan related to Alewxander Comyn Earl of Buchan? Son?
> If
> > not how did he get the title?
> > This is my very first posting to anywhere, and I am very
> nervous,
> > please forgive. I have at least a half dozen other related
> questions.
> >
> > Heidi Hammond
> > >
> >
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> > Before you buy.
> Friday, November 12, 1999
> Re: Isabel, Countess of Buchan and the Earldom of Buchan
> In reply to your questions (at least the ones I can answer):
> 1) Henry Beaumont was held to be Earl of Buchan de jure uxoris
> (by right of his wife) after the death of John Comyn, the
> uncle
> of his wife. However, as he [John Comyn] died in 1308 in a
> state of rebellion [which term will be debated by any real
> Comyn-ers out there], Beaumont's right to the Earldom was
> only recognized by the English and the pro-English
> [anti-Bruce]
> Scots. The earldom effectively became defunct at that
> point:
> half the lands went to Margaret Comyn, Alice's sister, and
> her husband John, brother of the Earl of Ross. The other
> half
> of the earldom's lands were taken by the Crown [Bruce] and
> divided amongst his brother Edward Bruce, Sir Robert Keith
> (marischal of Scotland), Archibald _the Tyneman_ Douglas
> and several others. As Henry Beaumont held nothing but
> the
> title
> of Earl of Buchan [in the eyes of the English crown, anyway]
> he is referred to as _titular_ Earl of Buchan.
>
> 2) Sir Alexander Comyn, father of Alice and Margaret, was the
> younger brother of John Comyn, Earl of Buchan referred to
> above. They were the sons of Alexander Comyn, Earl of
> Buchan
> (d. 1289).
> Good luck, and good hunting.
> John
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