Re: My descent from Alexander the Great

[Paul K Davis]

Thanks very much Ford. Could I inquire if you definitely meant that the
wife of al-Muthanna was daughter of the Sasanid princess, and not just a
daughter of al-Husain by who knows which wife; and, if so, what source(s)
do you have?

-- PKD [Paul K Davis, pkd...@earthlink.net]

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> From: ~Ford~ <smomm...@earthlink.net>
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> Date: 4/1/2004 11:02:32 PM
> Subject: Re: My descent from Alexander the Great
>
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> From: "Paul K Davis" <pkd...@earthlink.net>
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> Sent: Thursday, 01 April, 2004 23:46
> Subject: My descent from Alexander the Great
>
>
> > whose father was Idris II [792 - 828], whose father was Idris I [- 792],
> > whose father was Abdullah, whose father was al-Hasan al-Muthanna, whose
> > father was al-Hasan [625 - 670], the caliph, whose mother was Fatima
(the
> > "shining one").
> >
>
> al-Hasan was Imam, not Caliph, (although his father, Ali, was).
>
>
> > Now according to Gibbon ("Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire", chapter
> > 51, note 39), al-Hasan had as one of his wives a daughter of Yazdegerd
III
> > [- 651], the last Sasanian Persian emperor. She might therefore be the
> > mother of al-Hasan al-Muthanna.
> >
>
> I haven't got Gibbon handy to consult, BUT it was al-Hasan's bro.,
> al-Husain, who married the daughter of Yaz. III. And yet, al-Hasan
> al-Muthana married the daughter of al-Husain & the Sasanid Prss.
>
> Respectfully,
> Ford, (NOT an APRIL fool)
>

[~Ford~]

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul K Davis" <pkd...@earthlink.net>
To: <GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, 06 May, 2004 00:03
Subject: Re: My descent from Alexander the Great

> Thanks very much Ford. Could I inquire if you definitely meant that
the
> wife of al-Muthanna was daughter of the Sasanid princess, and not just a
> daughter of al-Husain by who knows which wife; and, if so, what source(s)
> do you have?
>
> -- PKD [Paul K Davis, pkd...@earthlink.net]

Paul,
I have not seen it questioned that the Sasanid prss. was MiL to al-Muthanna;
but I should hesitate to classify many of the sources who do discuss it as
'sterling'. Any way, it still leaves as 'iffy' whether al-Muthanna's
children were born by al-Hussain's daughter. Personally, I should be MORE
inclined to break any lines at this point, rather than a generation earlier.
Many references can be found by simply googling. One might also try
querying a moslem group or list. You might want to forward the question to
Arab-and...@RootsWeb.com. Generally al-Hussain's kinder are
attributed to the Persian prss.; but this may be just a convenience. I am
not, nor do I claim to be an expert here. Maybe Marshall or Chico have done
some more work in this area? Or maybe Don Stone knows of some research by
Prof. Kelley?
Hope this helps, ('though I'm inclined to doubt it),
Ford

[Don Stone]

~Ford~ wrote:

I can't help with these particular issues, but I have the following
information from Prof. Kelley:

The Babylonian Exilarch Bustanai married a Persian princess, said by Ibn
Daud to be a daughter of Yezdegird III. Moshe Gil prefers the information,
in the best text of Sherira Gaon, that she was a daughter of Queen Puran
(BůrAn), sister and predecessor of Yezdegird III.

Source:
Moshe Gil, "The Babylonian Encounter and the Exilarchic House in the Light
of Cairo Geniza Documents and Parallel Arab Sources," in _Judaeo-Arabic
Studies: Proceedings of the Founding Conference of the Society for
Judaeo-Arabic Studies (Studies in Muslim-Jewish Relations, vol. 3)_, ed. by
Norman Golb (Amsterdam: Harwood Academic Publishers, 1997), p. 161.

-- Don Stone