Roeulx vs. Le Roeulx? This idiot can't read Latin :-(

[katheryn...@gmail.com]

Hi all,

I have been chasing my tail for quite some time now trying to
untangle, or rather, perhaps, reweave, the issue of Katherine Roet's
(aka Katherine Swynford) ancestry. The editor of "La Chronique de
Gislebert de Mons. (Bruselles: 1904). Published for Leon
Vanderkindere," in presenting (I think) the text of the chronicle with
notes makes a couple of references to members of the family of *Le
Roeulx* (In this case, the usual Eustace's of the 12th century, along
with an apparently usually ignored Nicholas and an unnamed sister of
an Eustace who is an abbess at Nivelle I think) and a Hugh/Hugo *de
Ruet*.

The chronicle's in Latin so, of course, *I* can't read it, but here
are parts of it:

... nepos Willelmus miles de Rueth [1], Hugonis frater, quemdam
comitis Hanoniensis servientem incautum interfecit in ipsius comitis
offensam et detrimentum, in villa que Dichis [2] dicitur termino
paschali. Comes autem Hanoniensis cum festinatione in Ostrevannum
veniens, villam Rueth igne concremavit, et ad majorem {illegible:
perhaps ultionem} exercendam omnium consanguineorum prepositi domos et
villas in Ostreyano, licet illi hujus culpe immuues essent, igne
succendit; deinde ipsum prepositum a pronimis {?} et amicis suis,
nulla interposita conditione, prorsus {? abjurari} fecit.

{notes similarly illegible -- Is google books paying idiots to scan
this stuff??!! I think it starts by noting somebody's nephe3w William
de Rueth, perhaps a night or esquire? and his brother, Hugo/Hugh,
followed by a bunch of stuff I can't figure out.}

p. 134.

and

...multosque Flandrie nobiles suosque Hanonienses, ... Eustacium
seniorem de Ruez et Eustacium filium ejus, ... virum potentissimum,
castellanum de Belmeiz [6], Hugonem de Ruet [7], ...

[6] Beaumetz (Somme, Doullens, Bernaville) ou Beaumetz-les-Cambrai
(Pas-de-Calais, Arras, Bertincourt).

[7] Roeulx (Nord, Valenciennes, Bouchain); ne pas confondre avec Le
Roeulx (Hainault).

{ Nobles of Flanders and Hainaut, ... Eustace, Lord of Roeulx, and
Eustace his son.... something about a castle at Belmeiz, and a Hugh de
Ruet...?}

p. 142

I believe that note [7] indicated above shows that the editor is
trying to say that we should not confuse Roeulx with Le Roeulx...

Am I correct?

Can someone give me an idea of what the chronicler is saying, and what
the editor is saying? Am I correct in suspecting that the two
families are not immediately related?

Kindest thanks,

Judy Perry
http://www.katherineswynford.net
http://katherineswynford.blogspot.com

[mj...@btinternet.com]

On 26 Jul., 08:01, katheryn.swynf...@gmail.com wrote:

> [7] Roeulx (Nord, Valenciennes, Bouchain); ne pas confondre avec Le
> Roeulx (Hainault).
>
> { Nobles of Flanders and Hainaut, ... Eustace, Lord of Roeulx, and
> Eustace his son.... something about a castle at Belmeiz, and a Hugh de
> Ruet...?}
>
> p. 142
>
> I believe that note [7] indicated above shows that the editor is
> trying to say that we should not confuse Roeulx with Le Roeulx...
>
> Am I correct?
>
> Can someone give me an idea of what the chronicler is saying, and what
> the editor is saying? Am I correct in suspecting that the two
> families are not immediately related?

Judy

You are spot on:

"Roeulx (Nord, Valenciennes, Bouchain); do not confuse with Le Roeulx
(Hainault)."

MA-R