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Two brothers named John Harecourt (Harcourt) son of Robert KG living in Oxfordshire during the War of the Roses

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Two brothers named John Harecourt (Harcourt) son of Robert KG living in Oxfordshire during the War of the Roses. This is a brief summary from the all the info I gathered which is below.

John Harecourte (bastard) b.c. 1536* - (de Wytney, esq., the elder, senior, Gentleman Usher of the King’s Chamber, Receiver, Keeper of the Peace of Oxfordshire). Eldest (illegitimate) son of Robert Harecourt KG. Married Ann Scales (Scalers) and had one daughter b.c. 1475, Margery who Married Humphrey Wellesbourne c.1493-4

* John Harecourt esq. de Staunton b. c. 1552 – Legitimate Heir of Robert Harcourte KG of Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire. Married Anne Norreys (Half Brother) Pobably came of age around Nov 24th 1473. Licence for John Harecourte, son and heir of Robert Harecourt, knight, Westminster, deceased, tenant in chief, to enter freely into all towns, lordships, manors, lands and other possessions in England of which his father or Joan his mother was seised and which should descend to him as their heir, with all issues from the times of their death. pg. 423. Calendar of the Patent Rolls: Edward IV-Richard III

1461 Oct 25th Charter of demise, by judgment of the court of chancery, of a messuage in the said town called the ' George,' ….. William Normanton clerk prebendary of Chepyngfaryngdon, Richard Harecourte esquire…..25 October 32 Henry VI. John Sawndres (as above) to John Harecourte Richard Holcote esquires, Thomas Draper and Edmund Asshebury. Letter of attorney, appointing them to give Agnes Ody (as above) seisin of a messuage called the 'George ' in Chepyngfaryngdon. Dated 25 October 32 Henry VI. >>>> Note: Great Farington, Oxfordshire Pg. 469 Calendar of the Close Rolls Preserved in the Public Record Office: Henry VI
1471 John Harecourt Commission of Aray (Ready for War) Oxfordshire pg. 284. Calendar of the Patent Rolls: Edward IV-Richard III
1471 April 16th [Edward IV] to Humphrey Foster senior, Christopher Harcourt, Richard Croft, John Harcourt, Humphrey Foster junior and John Charlton: news of a success in battle; commission of array in Oxfordshire. Dated at London. Privy Seal. [Transcript.] SC 1/60/16 http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C12230073

1474 Sept 21st [William] Hatteclyff to John Harcourt, usher of the king's chamber: the examination of a prisoner at Wallingford. Dated at Chichester. SC 1/60/51 http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C12230108

1475 March 13th John Harecourte the elder, Thomas Stanshawe and the sheriffs of Somerset, Dorset, Wilts, Southampton, Oxford and Gloucester to inquire concerning all honours, castles, lordships, manors, lands, rents, reversions, annuities, offices, fees, advowsons, fee-farms and other possessions which Robert Baynton late of Farleston, co. Wilts, knight, attainted-of high treason by authority of an act in the Parliament lately held at Westminster, held in those counties on 4 May, 11 Edward IV. or afterwards. pg. 524 Calendar of the Patent Rolls Preserved in the Public Record Office: Edward IV [Henry VI, Edward V, Richard III] A. D. 1461- [1485]

*(Younger John Harecourt) 1475 May 12th Licence for John Harecourt, esquire, son and heir of Robert Harecourt, knight, deceased, who is going to cross the sea with the king on his voyage and service, to enfeoff William Moton, John Atherton, Richard Brydde, clerk, Thomas Bette and Robert Secole of the manor of Stanton Harecourt, co. Oxford, held in chief by knight-service, without fine or fee, according to the form of an act in the Parliament at Westminster, 6 October, 12 Edward IV. pg. 515 Calendar of the Patent Rolls Preserved in the Public Record Office: Edward IV [Henry VI, Edward V, Richard III] A. D.
1461-[1485] >>> Note: This John Harecourte’s esq. Inquisition Post Mordem, mentions a will he made before his expedition to France (Treaty of Picquigny) and he died June 25th 1485, leaving a son Robert his heir, and wife Ann (Norreys) pg. 140 Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem and Other Analogous Documents Preserved in the Public Record Office: Henry VII
1476 May 27th “inheritance after the death of her husband by an inquisition taken on 29 April, 15 Edward IV. at Henle on Thames, co. Oxford, before John Harecourt the elder, by virtue of letters patent directed to him and Giles Daubeney… >>> Note John must have been a Justice of the Peace as early as 1476. pgs. 584-5 Calendar of the Patent rolls preserved in the Public ... 1476-1485 Edward IV Edward V Richard III

1478 June 22nd -Grant to the king's servant John Harecourt, one of the gentlemen ushers of the king's chamber, of the office of the custody of the king's laund called ' Burfordlaunde ' with the lodge of the same within the forest of Wychewode, CO. Oxford, and the office of the custody of Chadworthwodes, co. Gloucester, with wages of 6d. daily during the minority of Edward son of George, late duke of Clarence, from the issues of the lordship of Burford, co. Oxford, with all other profits. Pg. 103 Calendar of the Patent rolls preserved in the Public ... 1476-1485 Edward IV Edward V Richard III https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015031079554;view=1up;seq=115

1479 Nov. of Bishop Waynflete. On account of the diligence and discretion of John Harecourte senior, armiger, formerly of Witney Ox on., the bishop has given him the custody of the park, chase, warren, meadows and waters belonging to the episcopal manor of Witney, and also of the woods and undergrowth there for which he is to have charge of collecting the pennies due [for their use] at the tourns and the court; in addition he is to act as summoner for the tourns and the court and as assistant to the serviens of the of the manor who collects the rents and distrains [for non payment]. These positions are to be held by Harecourte during his lifetime and may be filled by deputies for whom he will remain responsible. He will receive the customary wages and fees which pertain to these offices and which will be paid from the revenues and profits of the manor each year in 2 equal instalments at Easter and Michaelmas by the rent collectors there. pg 138. The Register of the common seal of the Priory of St. Swithun, Winchester, 1345-1497

1479-80 Copy of a signet warrant to John Harecourte, an usher of the Chamber and of the Receipt for the delivery of monies to the serjeant of the pantry DL 41/1066 http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C1237349
c. 1481 (Summary) Petition of John Saundyacre (Sandiacre), parson of Eastleach Martin against John Harcourt bastard with a retinue of 70 men of Edward Plantagenet, prince of Wales took corn and grain from him. From this incident a judgement against the said John Harcourt, bastard that he agrees “owes to Sandiacre the parson £7 for the farm of the parsonage, and it was agreed between the parson and Harcourt that Harcourt pay the sum to the abbot of Abingdon for a plurality which the abbot would purchase for the parson, which £7 Harcourt did not pay to the abbot.2) The parson paid for Harcourt 22s. for the tithes of the parsonage, which Harcourt should have paid according to his bill made by him to the parson concerning the farm of the parsonage.3) The parson paid the abbot of Gloucester 13s. 4d. for the portion of the parsonage which Harcourt should have paid.4) Harcourt owes the parson 22s. for three parts of the wool tithes of 500 sheep of his own.5) The parson served the cure of the church of the parsonage for a year that comes to £5 for that service, which Harcourt should have paid according to his bill of the farm.6) The parson paid to the abbot of Tewkesbury 50s. for a pension of the parsonage, which Harcourt should have paid according to his bill.7) Harcourt came with 70 people to carry away as much of the standing wheat upon 12 acres of the glebe of the parsonage as came to the sum of £7 after Harcourt's term expired.8) Harcourt sent Richard Branker, his servant into the country and gathered up the parson's tithe wool against all right conscience.Sum Total: £24 7s 4d.” Mentions the places of Burford, [Oxfordshire]; Witney, [Oxfordshire]; Bampton, [Oxfordshire]; Clanfield, [Oxfordshire]; Shelton (Shilton), Berkshire.

For another petition complaining of Harcourt, see SC 8/344/E1293 c. 1481
For a related schedule still attached to this petition, see SC 8/344/E1295 c. 1481
For a related schedule still attached to this petition, see SC 8/344/E1294 c. 1481

c. 1481. John Stepnethe, servant of the prince. Stepnethe shows that he kept a court of the prince at Benson on 21 March in the 21st year of the king, and Kidwelly dined there with him and then departed towards Oxford, but was murdered within a furlong by Thomas Wood and others who fled. Harcourt, taking it upon himself to be the prince's coroner and escheator within the prince's honour of Wallingford, sat at Benson upon the sight of the body and enquired of the death, the jury found that Wood and his adherents murdered Kidwelly, but Harcourt would not accept the jury's verdict unless the petitioner was made principal or accessory to the murder. Afterwards Harcourt had the petitioner indicted of the murder in various places to the intent to have his goods forfeited, though he was not guilty of it. Stepnethe requests that the council consider Harcourt's great malice, and that Stepnether may ride daily in keeping the courts in the prince's service, and that they will send for Harcourt and to command him that he not for any reason by colour of his office or presentment trouble the petitioner or his servants in body or goods until the council have examined the matter. Mentions places of Benson, [Oxfordshire]; Oxford, [Oxfordshire]; Clanfield, [Oxfordshire]. Attached to the above petitions was also this SC 8/344/E1304 c. 1481

c. 1481-2 John Harecourt, the King's Receiver, had come to Caversham from Witney, Oxon. pg 24. Historical Notices of Caversham, Volume 1
1482 Feb 8th General pardon to John Harecourt, 'bastard,” late of Staunton Harecourt, co. Oxford, 'gentilman,' alias late of Whytney, co. Oxford, esquire, alias of Swynbroke, co. Oxford. Pg. 260 Calendar of the Patent rolls preserved in the Public ... 1476-1485 Edward IV Edward V Richard III. https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015031079554;view=1up;seq=272
1478-1483 John Harecourt de Wytney is listed as Justice of the Peace for Oxfordshire pg. 569 1485 Calendar of the Patent rolls preserved in the in the Public ... 1476-1485 Edward IV Edward V Richard III. https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015031079554;view=1up;seq=581
1478 John Harecourt de Wytney ordered to help inventory the lands George, late Duke of Clarence.

1483-84 John Harecourt de Wytney is listed as a Keeper of Public Records of Oxfordshire. 7th Report Public Duty Keeper of Public Records https://books.google.com/books?id=qDxKAQAAMAAJ&pg=RA8-PA262&dq=John+Wode+%22harecourte%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj41PHb3qvYAhWoK8AKHYAdDXoQ6AEIPDAD#v=onepage&q&f=false
*(Younger John Harecourt) 1483 “John Harecourt late of Staunton squyer” and “John Harecourt(e)” are names used for being conspirators in Buckingham’s rebellion. This John Harecourt was in Richard III’s household by the names listed. >>>> Note: Personally I do not believe this John Harecourte de Wytney and one time usher was part of the rebellion. This John Harecourt late of Staunton squyer was then pardoned by King Henry Tudor in 1485. pgs. 246-7, 273 Rotuli Parliamentorum, ut et petitiones, et placita in Parliamento Vol 6. >>>> Note: In the 7th Report Public Duty Keeper of Public Records pg. 330 In the index of names and persons during Richard 1-2 it clears shows a distinction between John Harecourt of Stanton and de Whytney. And also shows that John de Whytney died before his brother and had a widow named Anne.

*(Younger John Harecourt)1484 Sept 14th Nottingham. Grant to the king's servant Marmaduke Constable, knight, and the heirs male of his body, for his good service against the rebels, of the manors or lordships of Boseworth with its members, co. Leicester, late of John Harecourt, rebel, and Braunston, co. Leicester, late of William Norreys, knight, rebel, to hold with knights' fees, wards, marriages, reliefs, escheats, advowsons, parks, bondmen, stews, waters, stanks, woods, underwoods, warrens, courts, leets, views of frank-pledge, liberties, franchises, profits and commodities by knight-service and a rent of 9l. 11s. yearly, and all issues from 18 October last. pg. 471 1485 Calendar of the Patent rolls preserved in the in the Public ... 1476-1485 Edward IV Edward V Richard III. https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015031079554;view=1up;seq=517 >>>> Note: This is about John Harecourte de Staunton esq.
1485 Jan 11th Appointment, during pleasure, from Michaelmas last, of the king's servant John Cutte as receiver of all the king's castles, lordships, manors and lands called “Spencerslandis' and “Sarysburyslandys' in the counties of Gloucester, Hereford, Worcester, Oxford, Warwick, Wilts and Berks, receiving such fees as John Harecourt, late receiver, had from the issues of the premises with all other profits. Died by Jan 11th 1485 pg. 505 1485 Calendar of the Patent rolls preserved in the in the Public ... 1476-1485 Edward IV Edward V Richard III. https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015031079554;view=1up;seq=517

1485 Jan 11th Grant to Anne Harecourte, widow, late the wife of John Harecourt, esquire, son and heir of Robert Harecourt, knight, of a yearly rent of 20 marks from all manors and lands in the county of Oxford in the king's hands by reason of the minority of Edward, earl of Warwick, son of George, late duke of Clarence, during the said minority. >> Note John Harecourt esq. de Staunton husband of Anne Norreys died June 26th 1485 and this John (de wytney) is late receiver to the crown.

1486 - Plaintiffs: Reynold Danvers and Jane, his wife, previously the wife of Edward Bekyngham. Defendants: John Cesson, clerk. Subject: Detention of deeds relating to the same, and bond obtained without consideration by John Harecourt, bastard, esquire, late of Wytney. Oxfordshire. 4 documentshttp://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C7454599

1493 - In the third case, arising from the abduction in 1493 of Margaret Harecourt, daughter and heir of John Harecourt esquire, of Witney in Oxfordshire, two gentlemen and two yeomen did surrender to the crown, but nothing more is known. Pg. 31 Wealth and power in Tudor England: essays presented to S. T. Bindoff. Source in book 48. (KB 9 Indictment Rolls) KB9/402/52 — indicted 24 Feb. 1494, to king's bench Mich. 1494 but no entries in Rex Roll for Mich, to Pas. 1494-95, KB27/933, 934, 935. >>>> Note: I believe this has to do of the forced marriage between Humphrey Wellesbourne and Margaret Harecourte in 1493. Margaret was the heir of 1/3 of the John Scalers Inheritance tail in fee.

1493 - Anne, late the wife of Giles Willesborne, esq. Writ 5 May, 9 Hen. VII; inq 7 Oct., 10 Hen. VII The said Giles Wellesburn and Anne his wife being seised of the undermentioned manors in fee in her right suffered a recovery thereof to William Danvers one of the justices of the common pleas John Verney, knt., and Thomas Gate, to the use of themselves and her heirs.

After the death of the said Giles she in her widowhood in consideration of a marriage had between one Humphrey Wellesburne, gent. and Margery her daughter and heir apparent, and of certain sums of money paid beforehand by the said Humphrey, and in consideration that he had paid and undertaken to pay divers of her debts and of the debts of John Harecourte, esq., and of the said Giles her late husbands, willed and declared by her writing indented dated 18 Jan., 9 Hen. VII, enrolled in the King's Bench that the said Humphrey should take the issues and profits of the said manors yearly during her life, viz. 20 marks for the maintenance of herself and her maid after that rate while she continued to make one of his household, and the residue for the purposes specified in the said indenture, but if she preferred to withdraw from his household and reside at her own charges elsewhere he was to pay her 20 marks half yearly,

And whereas a feigned and crafty contract was alleged by one John Russheton between himself and the said Margery, she willed that if the marriage between the said Humphrey and Margery should hereafter be voided or annulled at the suit of the said John, the said Humphrey should continue to hold the said manors for the term of his life subject to certain payments with remainder should the said John and Margery have meanwhile been married to the heirs of the body of John Chalers, knt., other than the said Margery namely to such persons as would in the event of her, the said Margery's death without issue have inherited them, with the like remainder to Sir John's right heirs: failing such divorce she willed that the said Humphrey and Margery should enjoy the said manors with remainder to their issue male, with remainder to the heirs of the body of Sir John Chalers, with remainder to Margery's right heirs: provision was also made for the payment of the specified debts in case of the said Humphey's decease within eight years then next and in the lifetime of her, or the said Margery.
She died 10 March, 9 Hen. VII. The said Margery wife of the Humphrey aged 18 and more is her daughter and heir.

Herts. Manor of Rede, worth 10 marks, held of the King in chief, by service of ½ of a knight's fee. Manor of Wydihale, worth 10 marks, held of the King in chief by service of 1/2 of a knight's fee C. Series II. Vol. 10. (31.) E. Series II. File 292. (6.) pg. 426 Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem and Other Analogous Documents Preserved in the Public Record Office: Henry VII

1486-1530 Anne the wife of John Harecourt. The manor of Challers became the possession of Anne. On the death of her first husband she married Giles Wellesborne, who also predeceased her. Both her husbands suffered from financial embarrassment, as appears from the marriage settlement she made on her daughter and heir Margery with Humphrey Wellisburne in January 1493–4. By this, in consideration of this marriage and of the fact that Humphrey had paid several of her debts and of the debts of her two husbands, she granted him the yearly issues of the manor, receiving only for the maintenance of herself and her maid 20 marks a year if she made her home with Humphrey or 40 marks if she lived elsewhere. Margery seems to have had another suitor, John Rushton, who alleged a contract between them which Anne refused to acknowledge. In the event of John Rushton taking any step to annul the marriage of Humphrey and Margery, Challers was to go by her settlement to Humphrey for life with reversion to the heirs of Sir John de Scales, kt., other than the said Margery. (Anne died in March 1493–4, when Margery, her heiress, was aged eighteen.
Humphrey Wellisburne died in 1516, and by his will left his wife all his lands in Great Wycombe for life and £40. In return for this, and in accordance with a promise she had made him, Margery Wellisburne in 1516 conveyed the manors of Reed and Wyddial to trustees to be settled to her use for life with remainder to her son Arthur Wellisburne and his heirs, or failing such heirs to her sons Ardewyn, Jasper and Henry Wellisburne and their heirs in succession. Margery married as her second husband Thomas Cheyne, and in 1522 she sold the manor of Reed to Robert Dormer, pgs. 247-53. 'Parishes: Reed', in A History of the County of Hertford: Volume 3, ed. William Page (London, 1912), British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/herts/vol3/pp247-253 Chan. Inq. p.m. 21 Hen. VI, no. 20., Edw. IV, file 24, no. 28. , Cal. Inq. p.m. Hen. VII, 426–7. ,Close, 7 Hen. VIII, no. 41.

Jason Quick

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I cant link these documents to John Harecourt the bastard in Oxfordshire. The date and circumstances as a bastard match. The placename of Exeter could mean, The University of Exeter in the town of Oxford, but doubtful.

(f. 149.) 1457 To John Harecourt, clerk, of Exeter. Dispensation, at his recent petition (containing that after he had been dispensed by papal authority, on account of illegitimacy as the son of an unmarried nobleman and an unmarried woman, to be promoted to all even holy orders and hold a benefice even with cure …), so that he, who is in about his twentieth year and is of noble birth, may receive and retain with the aforesaid benefices forthwith (exnunc) any benefices without cure, of any number and kind, and, after he is of the lawful age any benefices with cure, of any number and kind, compatible with one another and with the aforesaid benefice, even if canonries and prebends, dignities etc., even major or principal dignities (fn. 10), and may resign them all, simply or for exchange, as often as he pleases. Nobilitas generis, vite etc. (M. Ferrarii. | xx. A. de Hirspaco. P. de Legendorff.) [In the margin: Februarii. 1 p.]
Ibid. 1457 To the same. Dispensation to him (who is in about his twentieth year and is of noble birth, and was lately dispensed by papal authority, on account of illegitimacy as the son of an unmarried nobleman and an unmarried woman to be promoted to all even holy orders and hold a benefice even with cure, and has been dispensed this day to receive and retain etc. as in the preceding) so that, after he is of the lawful age, he may receive and retain for life any two benefices with cure or otherwise incompatible with one another, even if dignities etc., even major or principal dignities, and may resign them, simply or for exchange, as often as he pleases, and receive and retain for life instead two other incompatible benefices, provided that they be not two parish churches or their perpetual vicarages, or such mixed. Nobilitas etc. (M. Ferrarii. | xxx. A. de Hirspaco. P. de Legendorff.) [1¾ pp.]

'Vatican Regesta 459: 1457', in Calendar of Papal Registers Relating To Great Britain and Ireland: Volume 11, 1455-1464, ed. J A Twemlow (London, 1921), pp. 123-140. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/cal-papal-registers/brit-ie/vol11/pp123-140 [accessed 27 December 2017]. 1456[–7]. 6 Id. Jan. (8 Jan.) St. Peter's, Rome.

Vance Mead

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This must be the older brother in 1460:

http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT1/H6/CP40no796/bCP40no796dorses/IMG_1003.htm

Hilary term 1460, second entry:
Oxon. Alesia who was the wife of William Lovell, knight, by Thomas Aleyn her attorney, versus John Harecourt, bastard, of Staunton Harecourt, gentleman; John Somerby, of Staunton Harecourt, gentleman; William Bradshaugh, of Staunton Harecourt, yeoman; Thomas Wever, of Wytteney, weaver. Trespass breach of close and free warren at Cogges and taking rabbits and pheasants.

There are quite many other references but I'm not always sure of the identity.

http://aalt.law.uh.edu/Indices/CP40Indices/CP40_Indices.html

John Watson

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On Thursday, 28 December 2017 22:48:44 UTC, Jason Quick wrote:
> I cant link these documents to John Harecourt the bastard in Oxfordshire. The date and circumstances as a bastard match. The placename of Exeter could mean, The University of Exeter in the town of Oxford, but doubtful.
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Very doubtful. In 1456, these were two universities in England; Oxford and Cambridge. The University of Exeter was founded in 1955. In this case Exeter refers to the ecclesiastical diocese of Exeter.

Regards,

John

Vance Mead

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I think he was referring to Exeter College Oxford.

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Jason, I share your interest in the Barlow/Wellesbourne bishop's lineage; one line of descent appears to go to colonial Virginia.

I think you might be mistaken about the origin of John Harcourt, wife of Anne Scalers (or Deschalers or Challers). John Harcourt "bastard" had a daughter MargarET who was abducted in 1493. The record implies that Harcourt was still alive. However, MargerY (not Margaret) who married Humphrey Wellesbourne in 1493 was the daughter of a long-dead John Harcourt. If I have arranged the puzzle pieces correctly, this long-dead John Harcourt was son of the John Harcourt who bought Ranton in 1473, by first wife Eleanor Lewknor (his second wife was Margaret Bracy).

I discuss this in detail in this wikitree forum post: "The Harcourt/Lewknor conundrum, and new gateway ancestor Samuel Mathews?" at https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/365031/harcourt-lewknor-conundrum-gateway-ancestor-samuel-mathews?show=365031#q365031

A 5-generation chart with my proposed ancestry of Agatha (Wellesbourne) Barlow, including her Harcourt connection, is here: https://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Wellesbourne-Family-Tree-1

On Thursday, December 28, 2017 at 5:41:35 PM UTC-5, Jason Quick wrote:
> Two brothers named John Harecourt (Harcourt) son of Robert KG living in Oxfordshire during the War of the Roses. This is a brief summary from the all the info I gathered which is below.
>
> John Harecourte (bastard) b.c. 1536* - (de Wytney, esq., the elder, senior, Gentleman Usher of the King’s Chamber, Receiver, Keeper of the Peace of Oxfordshire). Eldest (illegitimate) son of Robert Harecourt KG. Married Ann Scales (Scalers) and had one daughter b.c. 1475, Margery who Married Humphrey Wellesbourne c.1493-4
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[snip]

Jason Quick

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> I think you might be mistaken about the origin of John Harcourt, wife of Anne Scalers (or Deschalers or Challers). John Harcourt "bastard" had a daughter MargarET who was abducted in 1493. The record implies that Harcourt was still alive. However, MargerY (not Margaret) who married Humphrey Wellesbourne in 1493 was the daughter of a long-dead John Harcourt. If I have arranged the puzzle pieces correctly, this long-dead John Harcourt was son of the John Harcourt who bought Ranton in 1473, by first wife Eleanor Lewknor (his second wife was Margaret Bracy).

John

Marjory(ie)and Margaret are basically the same name. It would depend on the writer or translator, on how its interpreted.

Same with the deceased John Harecourt, this was the Author’s interpretation from the book and we would have to translate the actual roll of KB9/402/52. Just because the roll or book does not specifically say “late” or “deceased” does not mean John is living. If you look at his brother, John Harecourt de Staunton’s, IPM it says “john, son and heir of Robert Harceourt. Knt.” This was after Robert was Killed in 1470 by the Stafford Family.

The Lewknor Connection to John Harecourt (Brother to Robert KG) of Ranton was debunked in TAG Jan/April 2004 pgs 98-9 “We can also clear up a confusion surrounding the Harcourt family and Eleanor Lewknor. The 1583 Visitation of Stafford states that a Richard Harcourt had two wives: first, Edith, daughter of Thomas St. Clair, and second, Aleonora Leukenell [i.e., Lewknor] .60 It shows a Thomas Harcourt ofRanton to be the son of Richard by his second wife. However, primary documentary evidence, especially the will of Sir Richard Harcourt (died 1486), shows that Sir Richard had only two wives: Edith St. Clair (died before November 1472) and Katherine (de la Pole) Stapleton (died 1488).61The will of Sir Richard Harcourt (as noted in the Inquisition Post Mortem for his wife, Katherine) 62 grants certain manors to a Richard Lewknor, esq.; this was his brother-in-law (husband of Elizabeth St. Clair, sister of Richard Harcourt's first wife). Thus, we can eliminate Eleanor Lewknor as a wife for Sir Richard Harcourt of Wytham, Berks. (died 1486). Other sources state that Richard Harcourt of Saredon had a second wife, Eleanor Lewknor, with whom he had a son, John, who inherited the manor of Ranton, Staffordshire.63 We have shown above that Eleanor Lewknor is not among the known wives of Richard of Saredon, based on primary documentation, and that there was no issue from his marriage with Eleanor Wastneys. It appears that a marriage to Eleanor Lewknor was invented to explain how John (not Thomas) Harcourt of Ranton, Staffordshire, came into possession of that manor, since Ranton in 1450 was owned by the Lewknors. However, no marriage is needed to explain the situation. Sir Roger Lewknor (son of Sir Thomas) conveyed the reversion of the manor of Ranton held by Edward Doyly to John Harcourt for payment of 500 marks in 1473.64 Thus, we see that John Harcourt purchased Ranton. We have found no evidence of a marriage between a Harcourt and an Eleanor Lewknor, and believe she should be removed from the Harcourt pedigree.

60 Coll. Hist. Staff, I :3:part 2:95, Visitation of Staffordshire, 1583. 61 Coll. Hist. Staff, 3:5:204-5. 62 Miscellanea Genealogica et Heraldica, 5th ser. 5(1923- 25):64, 78, 82. 63 Erdeswicke, Staffordshire Survey, 163; Coll. Hist. Staff, 3:5:199. 64 Coll. Hist. Staff, l: 11 :231.

Jason Quick

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Thanks for this Vance

daveR

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Alternative theory here:

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Harcourt-449


Anne Scales/Challers was heir to Challers manor in East Reed:

https://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/herts/vol3/pp247-253#h3-0003

Jason Quick

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Dec 29, 2017, 9:48:08 PM12/29/17
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On Friday, December 29, 2017 at 5:58:03 PM UTC-7, daveR wrote:
> Alternative theory here:
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> https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Harcourt-449
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Another small thing worth mentioning.

Giles Wellesbourne who married widow Ann(e)Harcourte was a ward or retainer for William Stonor, Knt. and was a cousin by marriage of James Tyrell Knt. https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044004558961;view=1up;seq=92 and https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044004558961;view=1up;seq=182

William Stoner Knt. was a justice of the peace in Oxfordshire from 1478-1483 with John Harecourte de Wytney. Calendar of the Patent Rolls Preserved in the Public Record Office ..., Edward IV [Henry VI, Edward V, Richard III] A. D. 1461-[1485]Volume 3 pg 569. They also were both tasked in taking inventory of lands of the late Duke of Gloucester.
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> Anne Scales/Challers was heir to Challers manor in East Reed:
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> https://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/herts/vol3/pp247-253#h3-0003

Yes that is not in dispute. She was the (fee entail) heir of Reed. That is in her IPM. "Manor of Rede, worth 10 marks,held of the King in chief, by service of ½ of a knight's fee. Its hiding in my long original thread.



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