Ancestors of Harald Bluetooth, from a danish point of view.
Allan M. Andersen
to me the following:
1. Harald "Blaatand/Bluetooth", born around 905.
Parents:
2. King Gorm "den Gamle/"the Old" of Jelling (or rather of
the part of Denmark called Harsyssel, born around 875. Md. to:
3. Thyra "Danebod", died before King Gorm.
Grandparents:
4. King Hardeknud of Jelling, whose name here is written
in modern danish. born around 845. Married to:
5. Princess ... of Northumbria.
6. Harald Klak, King of some part of the island of
Sjaelland/Sealand, in eastern Denmark. Perhaps a
Grandson of King Harald Klack of Haithabu or in Danish
"Hedeby", a larger city in Northern Germany, not as
stated by some a part of ancient Norway. wife unknown.
The tradition that Thyras father wore the name Klak Harald,
is very ancient (1100´s), and if he actually was a
grandson somehow of the older Harald Klak, he may have
inherited his grandfathers name.
Great grandparents.
8. Svend from Nortmannia, a prince or viking chief of some sort.
Wife unknown.
10. King Aella/Ella of Northumbria. An usurper, though his
name points at a descent from the ancient kings of Deira/
Northumbria. The marriage of Hardeknud to Ellas daughter
is mentioned in some ancients chronicle(s?). I cant tell
exactly where. I would like to get to know something more
about this usurper Ellas ancestors - if anything is
available about them.
Sources:
1. Common knowledge from the archives of S.G.M.
2. A book unfortunately only available in Dainsh by
Kirsten Moeller: "Vikinge ætten - Brudstykker til et
moenster", 1997. From page 43-80 is a part called:
"Hardeknud". Other parts of the book are called: "Gorm og
Gnupa", "Hakon Adelstensfostre", "Ingvars æt" (Ingvar
meaning Ivarr Boneless" - or in danish "Iver Benloes".
This book can be highly recommended though it may be hard
purchasing it abroad, and I dont know whether or not this
exellent book has been translated yet.
Hans Vogels
Has this book by Kirsten Moeller: "Vikinge ætten - Brudstykker til et
moenster" (1997), new information and points of view not yet discussed
in the newsgroup here?
As far as I can recall there have been extensive discussions on SGM
but nothing was thrustworthy enough to be an addition to the skolarly
point of vieuw.
With regard,
Hans Vogels
allan.a...@privat.tele.dk (Allan M. Andersen) wrote in message news:<6d99c247.03062...@posting.google.com>...
Todd A. Farmerie
> Harald Blaatands (Bluetooths) ancestors were according
> to me the following:
>
> 1. Harald "Blaatand/Bluetooth", born around 905.
>
> Parents:
> 2. King Gorm "den Gamle/"the Old" of Jelling (or rather of
> the part of Denmark called Harsyssel, born around 875. Md. to:
> 3. Thyra "Danebod", died before King Gorm.
>
> Grandparents:
> 4. King Hardeknud of Jelling, whose name here is written
> in modern danish. born around 845. Married to:
This much is the common synthesis of the data.
> 5. Princess ... of Northumbria.
>
> 6. Harald Klak, King of some part of the island of
> Sjaelland/Sealand, in eastern Denmark. Perhaps a
> Grandson of King Harald Klack of Haithabu or in Danish
> "Hedeby", a larger city in Northern Germany, not as
> stated by some a part of ancient Norway. wife unknown.
> The tradition that Thyras father wore the name Klak Harald,
> is very ancient (1100´s), and if he actually was a
> grandson somehow of the older Harald Klak, he may have
> inherited his grandfathers name.
This is more contraversial. It seems to me that THE Klak Harold
was intended, yet the chronology renders that solution
impractical. Thus a second, otherwise unknown Harald is
hypothesized to match the chronology. However, if we take the
step to say that the source is wrong, and must be 'fixed', then
there are a range of different 'fixes' that could be made, none
with any more basis than the next. Particularly in light of a
conflicting tradition making her daughter of AEthelred, one must
exercise extreme caution here.
> Great grandparents.
> 8. Svend from Nortmannia, a prince or viking chief of some sort.
> Wife unknown.
Again, apparently matching Adam's account.
> 10. King Aella/Ella of Northumbria. An usurper, though his
> name points at a descent from the ancient kings of Deira/
> Northumbria. The marriage of Hardeknud to Ellas daughter
> is mentioned in some ancients chronicle(s?). I cant tell
> exactly where.
As this is the only somewhat atypical claim of the lot, it is too
bad the basis for it can't be given with more precision.
> I would like to get to know something more
> about this usurper Ellas ancestors - if anything is
> available about them.
ASC says of him ". . . and they repudiated their king Osberht and
accepted Ælla, a king not of royal birth;"
taf