Beatrice, The Wife of William Briwere
John Watson
Sir William de Briwere of Stoke, Sheriff of Devon (b ca.1145, d 1226).
His wife is said to have been Beatrix de Vaux, described as a daughter
of Rainald de Dunstanville, Earl of Cornwall.
When looking for information on William de Briwere on the A2A site I
came across two charters. One of which names William's wife as
Angalisia, and one in which William is witness, together with a Lady
Beatrice la Raneleisa, who could possibly be the same person and
possibly his wife.
Scope and Content: CLAYHANGAR: - date: nd. Charter of William
Briwere, son of William Briwere, granting (for the safety of his soul
and of Joan his wife and all his ancestors and successors) to God and
the Church of St.Saviour of Torre and the Canons of the
Premonstratensian Order there serving God in frank almoign, all the
land of Dumgeston which William de Bruera and Angalisia his wife
released to grantor as the next heir, for a payment by him of 50 marks
with the services of Peteton and all other things belonging to that
land.
Wits:- Sir Robert de Curtenay. Richard, then Abbot of Dunkiswill.
William de Bruera. Huwardus de Bikelegh. Roger de Langeford. William de
Horsy. Robert de Hokesham. Thomas de Tetteburn. Ralph de Veyham. (?)
Seal, (mermaid) Endorsed. Grant of Sir W. Briwer, the younger of the
land of Dungeston. In pencil. About the beginning of Henry 3rd reign.
[Devon Record Office: Courtenay of Powderham [D1508M/Moger/416]]
Scope and Content: HENNOCK: Charter of Philip de Salmonavilla, granting
to God and the Church of St. Salvator of Torre and the Canons there of
the Premonstratensian Order, the Church of Hanoc in frank almoign 'for
the safety of the souls of me, Beatrice my wife and all our ancestors".
Wits:- William Briwere. Lady Beatrice la Raneleisa. Peter de Sendimore.
William Seintaver. John, the Chaplain. Walter, the Chaplain. William de
Rotomagia. Ralph de Brai. Walter, son of Ivo. Alan de Boclaund. Roger
Burnel. Nicholas de Torre. Seal.
Endorsed. Suardeby (?) Combe. In pencil. circa, telp. Rich. I.
[Devon Record Office: Courtenay of Powderham [D1508M/Moger/413]]
La Raneleisa does not appear to be a name, rather a title or
description. Has anyone any idea what it could mean?
Regards,
John
Todd A. Farmerie
> Hi all,
>
> Sir William de Briwere of Stoke, Sheriff of Devon (b ca.1145, d 1226).
> His wife is said to have been Beatrix de Vaux, described as a daughter
> of Rainald de Dunstanville, Earl of Cornwall.
The rest of the post aside, I don't recall seeing her called this -
usually she is made daughter of a Rainald de Vaux. Do you have any
documentation supporting a Dunstanville connection?
taf
Douglas Richardson
Sir William Briwerre (or Brewer) (died 1226) married Beatrice de Valle,
as correctly stated in the following weblink:
Beatrice de Valle was formerly the mistress (not daughter) of Reynold
Fitz Roy (or de Mortain), Earl of Cornwall, died 1175, by whom she was
the mother of a son, Henry Fitz Count, and allegedly a second son,
William. See the following weblink:
I believe that Beatrice's maritagium consisted of Karswell and Torre in
Devon. She was quite likely the daughter of Hubert de Vaux (or
Vallibus in Latin), by his wife, Grace. To date, however, I've been
unable to confirm that Hubert de Vaux held the property in Devon which
formed Beatrice's maritagium.
Beatrice's son, Henry Fitz Count, died 1222, was granted the custody of
the county of Cornwall in 1215, but evidently was never recognized as
earl. The following weblinks concern his history:
Complete Peerage, 3 (1913): 430 (sub Cornwall) incorrectly identifies
Henry Fitz Count's mother as Beatrice de Vannes. Her correct name was
Beatrice de Valle, not Vannes. For charter evidence of Beatrice de
Valle's maiden name, as well as evidence of her parentage of Henry Fitz
Count, please see Monasticon Exoniensis, by Oliver.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
Douglas Richardson
I should add that Sir William Briwerre (died 1226), husband of Beatrice
de Valle, was associated in contemporary records with the family of
Hubert de Vaux (died c. 1164), of Gilsland, Cumberland. I consider
Hubert de Vaux and his wife, Grace, to be the likely parents of
Beatrice de Valle. My research indicates that Sir William Briwerre
acquired property from one of Hubert de Vaux's sons, and also that Sir
William was involved in a lawsuit with the widow of another Vaux son.
These pieces of evidence are supportive, but not conclusive, that Sir
William Briwerre's wife, Beatrice, was the daughter of Hubert de Vaux
(died c. 1164). The matter of Beatrice de Valle's parentage requires
further study.
The...@aol.com
Dear Doug, Todd, John, et al.,
It would appear most likely that Beatrice de Valle (or de
Vaux), mistress of Reginald, earl of Cornwall (d. 1 Jul 1175) and
wife of Sir William de Briwerre (d. 1226) was the daughter of
Hubert de Vaux of Gilsland, Cumbs. and his wife Grace (or Grecia),
and not of their son Ranulf de Vaux (d. 1198):
1. The chronology concerning Beatrice makes this more likely
than not. Beatrice had at least 1 son (William) and 5
daughters (Grace, Isabel, Joan, Alice and Margery) by Sir
William. Of these, the third daughter Joan was the first
wife of Sir William de Percy (fl. ca. 1193 - 1245) whom we
might reasonably guess was born say 1190-1205, and most
likely say 1195-1200. Certainly placing at least two
births (Grace and Isabel) and possibly more between the
death of Earl Reginald and a point 15 years (1190) or later
does not strain the possibilities, although one might
wonder how many births or pregnancies might have also
occurred during the period and not been recorded.
Beatrice was most likely born some time before 1160, and
likely say 1155 (if not before), given the above, and the
fact that she had a son (Henry) by Earl Reginald (d. 1175).
Ranulf de Vaux (younger son and eventual heir of Hubert)
had a son and heir Robert de Vaux, who was born
sometime after 1177 (CP IX:406 according to my notes). It
is possible without further chronological detail that
Ranulf de Vaux could have had a daughter born some 20 years
or more earlier than Robert, but the likelihood is that
Beatrice was the sister of Ranulf de Vaux, and not his
daughter.
2. That Beatrice de Vaux belonged to this family is supported
by onomastic evidence. Her eldest daughter (Grace,
best known as first wife of Reginald de Braose)
was evidently named for Grace (or Grecia), wife of Hubert
de Vaux and mother (or grandmother by the Ranulf conjecture)
of Beatrice de Vaux.
Interestingly, as a minor Sir Reynold de Mohun of Dunster
(d. 1257/8), son of Alice de Briwere (4th daughter of Sir William
de Briwere and Beatrice de Vaux) had his wardship granted to Henry
FitzCount (now known to have been his uncle) in 1213, and then to
his grandfather William Briwere in 1222 (see CP IX:20). This
confirms other details as already discussed re: this family, and
provides further chronological evidence, if not proof, in this
matter.
Cheers,
John
John Watson
Thank you all very much for your helpful information concerning
Beatrice.
It still does not answer my original question though, what could la
Raneleisa mean? I thought this might might be a clue to her identity.
Something to do with Rainald perhaps? Rainald soeur?
Regards,
John
Jwc...@aol.com
Hard though it might be to believe, maybe it means
Rainald`s liasion. any possibly that Torre was a gift to her from her former lover
rather than from her family ?
Sincerely,
James W Cummings
Dixmont, Maine USA
Nancy
See PG. 48 of this detailed thesis-
https://ora.ox.ac.uk/objects/uuid:5605a4ce-68ba-4b66-919d-2fd60ae5f92f/download_file?file_format=pdf&safe_filename=LibraryCopy.pdf&type_of_work=Thesis
As for the other Lady Beatrice-did you read & copy it right? All the sources I've found on the internet states that Philip Salmonville was married to Beatrix, heiress of William, Lord of Hennock. She was also married to Gerard de Clist.
Philip gave the abbot & convent the advowson of the church of Hennock & it was confirmed by Beatrix his wife & William the son of Gerard de Clist.
https://books.google.com/books?id=uNREAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA146&lpg=PA146&dq=girard+de+clist+genealogy&source=bl&ots=itn0UR8PLl&sig=ACfU3U1mIeHU_IhSVGMA1CY9JlMBvHAEWQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjR3oiQtsv4AhX9FFkFHUhXCLsQ6AF6BAgWEAM#v=onepage&q=girard%20de%20clist%20genealogy&f=false