BULMER, DE NEVILLE
PEhle...@aol.com
2. Robert de Neville (1240-1271)
3. Mary FitzRandolf ( 1244-1320)
4. Sir Robert Neville (1223-1282)
5. Ida (1220-After 1315)
8. Sir Geoffrey de Neville (1197-1242)
9. Joan (?-After 1246)
16. Robert FitzMaldred (1172-ca. 1245)
17. Isabel de Neville (1176-1254)
34. Geoffrey de Neville (?-After 1193)
35. Emma de Bulmer (1144-1208)
Question 1: Is this information correct?
Question 2: Can someone provide information on the wives particularly on Emma
de
Bulmer?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Regard
Phyllis in Louisiana
ED MANN
>
> 1. Randolph de Neville, 1st Baron Neville of Raby (1262-1331)
> 2. Robert de Neville (1240-1271)
> 3. Mary FitzRandolf ( 1244-1320)
> 4. Sir Robert Neville (1223-1282)
> 5. Ida (1220-After 1315)
> 8. Sir Geoffrey de Neville (1197-1242)
> 9. Joan (?-After 1246)
> 16. Robert FitzMaldred (1172-ca. 1245)
> 17. Isabel de Neville (1176-1254)
> 34. Geoffrey de Neville (?-After 1193)
> 35. Emma de Bulmer (1144-1208)
>
> Question 1: Is this information correct?
Ancestors of Ranulph de Neville
Generation No. 1
1. Ranulph de Neville, born 18 Oct 1262 in Raby, Durham, England; died
Aft. 18 Apr 1331. He was the son of 2. Robert de Neville and 3. Mary
FitzRandolph. He married (1) Euphemia de Clavering Abt. 1282 in
Northumberland, England. She was the daughter of Robert FitzRoger and
Margery de la Zouche.
Child of Ranulph de Neville and Euphemia de Clavering is:
i. Ralph de Neville, born Abt. 1291 in Raby, Durham, England; died 5
Aug 1367 in Durham, England; married Alice de Audley Abt. 14 Jan 1326/27
in England.
Generation No. 2
2. Robert de Neville, born Abt. 1240 in Raby, Durham, England; died
1271 in (d.v.p.). He was the son of 4. Robert Neville and 5. Ida. He
married 3. Mary FitzRandolph in Middleham, Yorkshire, England.
3. Mary FitzRandolph, born Abt. 1244 in Middleham, Yorkshire, England;
died 1320 in Coverham, Yorkshire, England. She was the daughter of 6.
Ralph FitzRandolph.
Child of Robert de Neville and Mary FitzRandolph is:
1 i. Ranulph de Neville, born 18 Oct 1262 in Raby, Durham, England;
died Aft. 18 Apr 1331; married Euphemia de Clavering Abt. 1282 in
Northumberland, England.
Generation No. 3
4. Robert Neville, born Abt. 1223 in of Raby With Keverstone,
Staindrop, Durham, England; died 1282. He was the son of 8. Geoffrey de
Neville and 9. Joan. He married 5. Ida in Mitford, Northumberland,
England.
5. Ida, born Abt. 1220 in Raby, Durham, England; died Aft. 18 May
1315.
Child of Robert Neville and Ida is:
2 i. Robert de Neville, born Abt. 1240 in Raby, Durham, England; died
1271 in (d.v.p.); married Mary FitzRandolph in Middleham, Yorkshire,
England.
6. Ralph FitzRandolph.
Child of Ralph FitzRandolph is:
3 i. Mary FitzRandolph, born Abt. 1244 in Middleham, Yorkshire,
England; died 1320 in Coverham, Yorkshire, England; married Robert de
Neville in Middleham, Yorkshire, England.
Child of Ralph FitzRandolph and Anastasia de Percy is:
i. Joan FitzRandolf, died Abt. 1 Apr 1310; married Robert de Tateshal
Bef. 1268.
Generation No. 4
8. Geoffrey de Neville, born Abt. 1197 in Raby, With Keverstone,
Staindrop, Durham, England; died 1242. He was the son of 16. Robert
FitzMaldred and 17. Isabel de Neville. He married 9. Joan Abt. 1222 in
Durham, England.
9. Joan, died Aft. 1246.
Children of Geoffrey de Neville and Joan are:
4 i. Robert Neville, born Abt. 1223 in of Raby With Keverstone,
Staindrop, Durham, England; died 1282; married Ida in Mitford,
Northumberland, England.
ii. Geoffrey de Neville, born in of Appleby, Lincs, England; died Abt.
26 Mar 1285; married Margaret de Lungvilliers Abt. 1267.
iii. Agnes de Neville, died Bef. 20 Jul 1293; married (1) Richard de
Percy Bef. 1245; married (2) John Deincourt Aft. 1245.
Generation No. 5
16. Robert FitzMaldred, born Abt. 1172 in Raby, Durham, England; died
Bet. 1242 - 1248. He was the son of 32. Maldred FitzDolfin and 33.
<Unnamed>. He married 17. Isabel de Neville in Of, Brancepeth, Durham,
England.
17. Isabel de Neville, born Abt. 1176 in Raby, With Keverstone,
Staindrop, Durham, England; died May 1254. She was the daughter of 34.
Geoffrey de Neville and 35. Emma de Bulmer.
Child of Robert FitzMaldred and Isabel de Neville is:
8 i. Geoffrey de Neville, born Abt. 1197 in Raby, With Keverstone,
Staindrop, Durham, England; died 1242; married Joan Abt. 1222 in Durham,
England.
Generation No. 6
32. Maldred FitzDolfin, born Abt. 1135 in Raby, Durham, England; died
Abt. 1183. He was the son of 64. Dolfin FitzUchtred and 65. Alice. He
married 33. <Unnamed> Abt. 1172.
33. <Unnamed>. She was the daughter of 66. John de Stuteville.
Child of Maldred FitzDolfin and is:
16 i. Robert FitzMaldred, born Abt. 1172 in Raby, Durham, England; died
Bet. 1242 - 1248; married Isabel de Neville in Of, Brancepeth, Durham,
England.
34. Geoffrey de Neville, born in Raby With Keverstone, Staindrop,
Durham, England; died Bef. 29 Sep 1193. He was the son of 68. Geoffrey
de Neville. He married 35. Emma de Bulmer Bef. 1174 in Of England.
35. Emma de Bulmer, born Abt. 1144 in Raby With Keverstone, Staindrop,
Durham, England; died 1208. She was the daughter of 70. Bertram de
Bulmer.
Child of Geoffrey de Neville and Emma de Bulmer is:
17 i. Isabel de Neville, born Abt. 1176 in Raby, With Keverstone,
Staindrop, Durham, England; died May 1254; married Robert FitzMaldred in
Of, Brancepeth, Durham, England.
> Question 2: Can someone provide information on the wives particularly on Emma
> de Bulmer?
Descendants of Henry de Bulmer
1 Henry de Bulmer aka: Lord of Bulmer ref #: BxP:88
2 Alan de Bulmer ref #: BxP:88
3 Bertram de Bulmer ref #: BxP:88
3 Anketell de Bulmer ref #: BxP:88
4 Bertram de Bulmer ref #: BxP:88
5 Stephen de Bulmer ref #: BxP:88
6 Thomas de Bulmer ref #: BxP:88
7 Robert de Bulmer ref #: BxP:88
8 Bertram de Bulmer ref #: (Ä247-25)
9 Emma de Bulmer b: Abt. 1144 d: 1208 ref #: (Ä247-25)
+Geoffrey de Valoignes
*2nd Husband of Emma de Bulmer:
+Geoffrey de Neville d: Bef. 29 Sep 1193 ref #: (Ä247-25)
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FWIW; AFAIK; IMHO; YMMV; yadda, yadda, yadda.
Regards, Ed Mann mailto:edl...@mail2.lcia.com
References:
Ä = Weis, _Ancestral_Roots_, 7th ed.
AACPW = Roberts & Reitwiesner, _American Ancestors and Cousins of
the Princess of Wales_, [page].
AAP = Roberts, _Ancestors_of_American_Presidents_, [page] or
[Pres. # : page].
BP1 = _Burke's_Presidential_Families_, 1st ed. [page].
BPci = _Burke's_Peerage_, 101st ed., [page].
BRF = Weir, _Britain's_Royal_Families_, [page].
BxP = _Burke's_Dormant_&_Extinct_Peerages_, [page].
EC1 = Redlich, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol I, [page].
EC2 = Langston & Buck, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol II,
[page].
EC3 = Buck & Beard, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol II,
[page].
F = Faris, _Plantagenet_Ancestry_, [page:para].
NK1 = Roberts, _Notable_Kin_Volume_One_, [page].
Π= Hardy, _Colonial_Families_of_the_Southern_States_of_America_,
[page].
S = Stuart, _Royalty_for_Commoners_, 2d ed. Caveat emptor.
W = Weis, _Magna_Charta_Sureties,_1215_, 4th ed.
WFT = Broderbund's World Family Tree CD, [vol]:[num] Caveat emptor.
WMC = Wurt's Magna Charta, [vol]:[page]
GLAUC...@aol.com
EDL...@MAIL2.LCIA.COM writes:
> 2. Robert de Neville, born Abt. 1240 in Raby, Durham, England; died
> 1271 in (d.v.p.). He was the son of 4. Robert Neville and 5. Ida. He
> married 3. Mary FitzRandolph in Middleham, Yorkshire, England.
The Bertram article in Cokayne's Peerage indicates that Ida is not the mother
of Robert, hence not the ancestor of the Earls of Westmoreland. Chronological
problems I believe. She was a widow of a Bertram. Number 5 in this chart
therefore is unknown.
Lloyd King
Dallas, Texas, USA
Todd A. Farmerie
>
> PEhle...@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > Question 2: Can someone provide information on the wives particularly on Emma
> > de Bulmer?
>
> Descendants of Henry de Bulmer
>
> 1 Henry de Bulmer aka: Lord of Bulmer ref #: BxP:88
> 2 Alan de Bulmer ref #: BxP:88
> 3 Bertram de Bulmer ref #: BxP:88
> 3 Anketell de Bulmer ref #: BxP:88
> 4 Bertram de Bulmer ref #: BxP:88
> 5 Stephen de Bulmer ref #: BxP:88
> 6 Thomas de Bulmer ref #: BxP:88
> 7 Robert de Bulmer ref #: BxP:88
> 8 Bertram de Bulmer ref #: (Ä247-25)
> 9 Emma de Bulmer b: Abt. 1144 d: 1208 ref #: (Ä247-25)
> +Geoffrey de Valoignes
> *2nd Husband of Emma de Bulmer:
> +Geoffrey de Neville d: Bef. 29 Sep 1193 ref #: (Ä247-25)
I don't think this can be right. There are too many generations. At 30
yrs/gen, Henry de Bulmer was born in 904. There would not be anyone
named Henry holding land in England at the time. As a matter of fact,
Henry wasn't used outside of Germany at the time. It looks like Burke
has done some pedigree padding. This family is in CP, so we have a
better source available.
taf
Leslie Mahler
>I don't think this can be right. There are too many generations. At
30
>yrs/gen, Henry de Bulmer was born in 904. There would not be anyone
>named Henry holding land in England at the time. As a matter of fact,
>Henry wasn't used outside of Germany at the time. It looks like Burke
>has done some pedigree padding. This family is in CP, so we have a
>better source available.
Early Yorkshire Charters has a fairly short pedigree for Emma:
Ansketil de Bulmer, died circa 1129
|
Bertram de Bulmer sherriff of York, died 1166,
married to Emma, possibly daughter or Robert Fossard
|
son Anscetil, died young,
son William died about 1178
daughter Emma, heir to her brother, married to Geoffrey de Nevill
ED MANN
>
> ED MANN wrote:
> >
> > PEhle...@aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > Question 2: Can someone provide information on the wives particularly on Emma
> > > de Bulmer?
> >
> > Descendants of Henry de Bulmer
> >
> > 1 Henry de Bulmer aka: Lord of Bulmer ref #: BxP:88
> > 2 Alan de Bulmer ref #: BxP:88
> > 3 Bertram de Bulmer ref #: BxP:88
> > 3 Anketell de Bulmer ref #: BxP:88
> > 4 Bertram de Bulmer ref #: BxP:88
> > 5 Stephen de Bulmer ref #: BxP:88
> > 6 Thomas de Bulmer ref #: BxP:88
> > 7 Robert de Bulmer ref #: BxP:88
> > 8 Bertram de Bulmer ref #: (Ä247-25)
> > 9 Emma de Bulmer b: Abt. 1144 d: 1208 ref #: (Ä247-25)
> > +Geoffrey de Valoignes
> > *2nd Husband of Emma de Bulmer:
> > +Geoffrey de Neville d: Bef. 29 Sep 1193 ref #: (Ä247-25)
>
> yrs/gen, Henry de Bulmer was born in 904. There would not be anyone
> named Henry holding land in England at the time. As a matter of fact,
> Henry wasn't used outside of Germany at the time. It looks like Burke
> has done some pedigree padding. This family is in CP, so we have a
> better source available.
Given Burke's reputation for this period, I suspect you're correct. I
don't have access to the Complete Peerage, so I'm careful to try to
caveat the source of this.