Lincolnshire Indenture 1378
Guy Vincent
in Lincolnshire.
I managed to track down the new owner and he agreed to make the
information from
the indenture public in exchange for a translation. Chris Phillips has
been good enough
to provide the translation below and to place it with photographs of the
document and
seals on his site when he does his next update. I feel this will give
the indenture good
public exposure.
Of the four seals appended to the deed, Chris has been unable to find
arms in records
to confirm those of Kirketon, the remaining three have records that
correspond. Also
many of the place names are a bit of a mystery. Any ideas?
The indenture and seals can be seen at:
http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/sources/loveden/index.shtml
> This indenture attests that we Roger de Kirketon, knight, Robert
> Bernak, John de Haugh and Thomas de la Launde have demised, delivered
> and by this our present indented charter have confirmed to Grace the
> daughter of Richard the son of John de Roos of Tydd
>
> A moiety of the site of the manor of Loueden, from Tydd St Mary
> towards the east with part of the Park and of the Lane from the Edyk
> as far as the land formerly of Robert the son of John to the width of
> the same site of the manor with part of the Edyk next to the river
> bank on the eastern part as is attested by by bound and mark, which
> contains 9 acres, 3 roods, 4 perches, 5 feet and a half of land by
> estimation.
>
> And 110 acres, 2 roods, 10 perches, 5 feet of arable land, of which:
>
> * in Dufcotecroft 10 acres, 1 roods, 2 perches and 5 feet of land,
> * in the same place 4 acres, 2 roods, 33 perches and 9 feet of land,
> * in the same place 15 acres, 1 rood, 23 perches, 12 feet and a
> half adjoining the Edyk,
> * in the same place 5 acres, 1 rood, 25 perches and 9 feet next to
> the Wilgh,
> * in the same place in a croft 12 acres, 2 roods, 23 perches and 9
> feet with a windmill [molendino ventritico] on it,
> * 4 acres, 1 rood, 12 perches, 13 feet and a half next to Milnecroft,
> * 13 acres, 32 perches and 9 feet in 2 pieces at Makerelesdore,
> * 9 acres, 26 perches in the Longemikilfeld at Parkelanesende,
> * 5 acres, 1 rood, and 17 perches at Kelbylond beyond the lane,
> * 10 acres, 1 rood and 10 perches at Kelbylond,
> * 6 acres and a half and 27 perches of land next to the land of
> Nicholas Jurdon,
> * 3 acres, 1 rood and 1 perches of land opposite the land of
> Nicholas Jurdon,
> * 2 acres which extend from the Edych on the eastern part of the
> manor as far as the land formerly of Robert son of John and thus
> from there as far as Millecroft towards the east,
> * 2 acres adjoining Drouedyk which the Rector of the church of
> Tydd St Mary holds in exchange,
> * 6 acres, 3 rood, 15 perches and 9 feet with 2 acres of pasturage
> [maretti] or in the said piece of pasturage be it more or less.
>
> And 56 acres, 10 perches and 9 feet of meadow and pasture, of which:
>
> * 10 acres, 10 perches and 9 feet of meadow lie at Fencroft,
> * 6 acres of pasture in the marsh called Cokkesdole,
> * 40 acres of pasture in the marsh called Russhedole.
>
> * And 2 acres of native land which John son of Nicholas Godewill
> our native holds in the said vill, and the aforesaid John with
> all his suit,
> * 2 acres and 1 rood of native land which John son of Agnes holds,
> * 3 acres of native land which Thomas Shottfeld [?Shortfeld] holds,
> * 3 acres of native land which Nicholas Benet holds
> * and half an acre of native land which Nicholas Dobyn holds.
>
> Also we have granted to the same Grace the rent and service of the
> free tenants written below in the aforesaid vill, namely:
>
> * 3 shillings and a pound of pepper valued at 18 pence to be
> received from the tenants of the manor of Treton from 10 acres
> of land and 7 acres of pasturage,
> * and 12 pence to be received from Margaret formerly the wife of
> Richard Eliaduk for 5 acres of land,
> * 12 pence to be received from the lands and tenements formerly of
> Hugh de Hillyngton,
> * 16 pence to be received from Nicholas Dobyn for 4 acres of land,
> * 6 pence, a halfpenny, a farthing and half a pound of cumin
> valued at 1 penny to be received from John de Retherwyk for 6
> acres of land and for land in Redymer,
> * 16 pence to be received from William Gilbert for 4 acres of land
> with a messuage on it,
> * 8 pence from Richard son of Roger, the chaplain, for 2 acres of
> land,
> * 6 pence to be received from Simon Cokke and William de
> Childerhous for 2 acres of land,
> * 2 shillings and 2 pence to be received from Geoffrey son of
> Robert and John son of William son of Geoffrey for 3 acres, 1
> rood of land,
> * 2 shillings to be received from Geoffrey Hunston for 24 perches
> of land,
> * 6 pence to be received from Nicholas son of Nicholas for 1 acre
> and a half and 39 perches of land
> * and 2 burning torches to be received from the tenants of the
> lands formerly of Nicholas Eliaduk for 1 acre in Kirkefeld,
> which tenants shall find one burning torch in the church of Tydd
> St Mary for 3 nights yearly at the Birth of the lord, Easter and
> of St John the Baptist, and another burning torch in the chapel
> of St John the Baptist within the manor of Loueden yearly for
> the same nights and daily for the celebration of mass in the
> same chapel,
> * together with all other services of the aforesaid tenants
> * and with half the court of the said manor of Loueden
> * and half the fishery of 'EE' belonging to the said manor of Loueden.
>
> To have and to hold all the aforesaid lands and tenements rents and
> services both of the free men and of the natives with the bodies,
> cattle and suits of the same natives and all other things and rights
> abovesaid aforesaid, to Grace her heirs and assigns, of the chief
> lords of that fee by the services owed and customary for it for ever.
>
> In testimony of which we have affixed our seals to this indented
> charter, these being witnesses:
>
> * Robert de Roos, knight,
> * Robert de Hau[er]yngton, knight,
> * John Hode of Flete,
> * John de Retherwyk of Tydd,
> * William son of Fulk of Sutton,
> * Robert son of Nicholas of the same
>
> and others.
>
> Dated at Tydd St Mary the first day of May in the first year of the
> reign of King Richard the Second from the conquest of England [1378]
>
Guy Vincent
Chris Phillips
Guy Vincent wrote:
> Also
> many of the place names are a bit of a mystery. Any ideas?
In particular, I haven't been able to find any other mention of the manor
involved - Loveden, apparently in the parish of Tydd St Mary.
Chris Phillips
John Townsend
Check the Manorial Documents Register, held by The National Archives. It
will summarise what gen, if any, it has on such a manor. Also Victoria
County History is usually quite good on manorial history.
Best wishes,
John Townsend
Genealogist/Antiquarian Bookseller
http://www.johntownsend.demon.co.uk
Chris Phillips
> Check the Manorial Documents Register, held by The National Archives. It
> will summarise what gen, if any, it has on such a manor. Also Victoria
> County History is usually quite good on manorial history.
Thanks for those suggestions. I do plan to check the Manorial Documents
Register when I'm next at Kew. Unfortunately the VCH hasn't yet published
any parish histories for Lincolnshire (though the VCH account for the
neighbouring parish of Tydd St Giles in Cambridgeshire - online at
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/source.asp?pubid=93 - has been helpful for
some of the place names).
Chris Phillips
John Townsend
manors of Dunton and Tilney, but there seems no reason for confusion here.
ADRIANC...@aol.com
I guess all those "edyk" are dykes, thus it is perhaps close to the Wash.
Also Roger de Kirketon was perhaps from Kirton. There is a place a couple of
miles NE of Boston now called Leverton, could this be it?
Adrian
In a message dated 25/09/2005 12:56:47 GMT Standard Time,
jo...@johntownsend.demon.co.uk writes:
Chris Phillips wrote in message ...
>
>Guy Vincent wrote:
>> Also
>> many of the place names are a bit of a mystery. Any ideas?
>
>In particular, I haven't been able to find any other mention of the manor
>involved - Loveden, apparently in the parish of Tydd St Mary.
Check the Manorial Documents Register, held by The National Archives. It
will summarise what gen, if any, it has on such a manor. Also Victoria
County History is usually quite good on manorial history.
Best wishes,
Jwc...@aol.com
Dovecotecroft or is it Dovecote?
Sincerely,
James W Cummings
Dixmont, Maine USA
Rosie Bevan
Postles at http://www.le.ac.uk/english/pot/lincers.html . The tenantry
for Tydd (in Holland) at that time unfortunately does not include the
four "domini" heading the list (presumably available from
E179/133/14-16), but some of the names of the tenants are common to the
later indenture.
Geoffrey de Rythyrwyc' 16s1¼d
Robert Makyererl 1s8½d
John Cok 10¾d
John Ballyng 1s10½d
John Le Neue 1s4¼d
Amice de Tyd 6s1¾d
William filius Lecie 1s8¼d
John Godewille 3s0¾d
John de Rythyrwyc' 1s0¾d
Walter Noche 1s6d
Richard Balling 2s1¾d
Walter Fadir 3s6¾d
Henry Fayrhore 1s1½d
Richard filius Thome 1s3½d
William filius Thome 1s7¼d
Thomas Hunte 2s1¼d
Geoffrey filius Thome 1s5½d
William filius Andree 5s9¾d
Nicholas Jordan 4s
William Fys 2s2½d
|Richard ad pontem 4s11¾d
John Fyn 11¾d
Joan de Lenne 1s5¼d
Richard filius Dulcie 1s4½d
Geoffrey Taillour 1s
Nicholas Cadiman 1s1¼d
Reginald de Tyd 8¼d
John Gouk' 8d
Geoffrey filius Dulcie 9¾d
Simon Leffy 1s4d
Edmund de Wykene 1s
Richard Eliaduck 8d
John Eliaduck 1s8d
Nicholas de Rytherewyck' 2s8d
Richard Cadiman 10d
Alan Hunston' 10d
Summa vij.li.xvj.s.vij.d.qua.
>From Feudal Aids v.III, p.369 it appears that in 1284-1285 Tydd was
divided into moieties. One half was held by John de Tydd, and the other
half was held by Robert de Tateshale and Richard de Ros of Edmund
brother of the king. In 1303, as part of the fee of the honour of
Lancaster, one moiety of Tydd is recorded (p.137) as held by Adam de
Tyd and J. de Ros, of the holding which Hugh de Ros and Roger de Tyd
once held. The other moiety was held by Robert de Tateshale "nomine
predictorum Hugonis et Rogeri". By 1346 (p.240) William de Dunton and
his tenants held a moiety of Tydd which Adam de Tydd and John de Ros
once held. The other moiety was held by Eva de Tatersale of that which
Robert de Tateshale once held. From this, despite the apparent
confusion in the earliest return on which moiety the Ros family had
tenure, it would appear that the manor of Loveden as subject of the
indenture was part of the moiety held by the Tateshale family which
translates to Tydd St Giles (the other moiety being Tydd St Mary).
On his web site David Postles refers to several books which may be
useful to researching the indenture. Hope this helps the research
along.
Cheers
Rosie
Douglas Richardson royalancestry@msn.com
I believe that the Lincolnshire charter dated 1378 under discussion and
now on Chris Phillips' website is actually a release from a group of
trustees to Grace [de] Roos (or Ros), the heiress of the property in
question. This Grace [de] Roos was the wife of Philip [de] Tilney,
Knt., of Boston, Lincolnshire, and, in right of his wife, of Lonedon
(in Tydd St. Mary), Lincolnshire, and Ringborough in Holderness,
Yorkshire, Knight of the Shire for Lincolnshire, deputy butler, Boston,
Sheriff of cos. Cambridge and Huntingdon, Chief steward of the duchy of
Lancaster for the North Parts, Steward to Bishop Fordham of Ely,
Alderman of Corpus Christi guild, Boston, Lincolnshire. As I recall,
there is a biography of Sir Philip Tilney in Roskell's House of
Parliament which you gentlemen might wish to consult.
I've had difficulty proving Grace Roos' parentage, so I'm glad this
charter has surfaced. The previous owner in title at both Ringborough
and Tydd St. Mary was John de Roos, who was evidently Grace's
grandfather, not her father as I thought was the case.
For interest's sake, the following is a list of 17th Century colonial
American immigrants who descend from Grace (de Roos) de Tilney.
Charles Calvert, Essex Beville, Mary Bourchier, Muriel Gurdon, Anne
Humphrey, Mary Launce, Herbert Pelham, Maria Johanna Somerset, John
West.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www.royalancestry.net
Chris Phillips
about this charter.
Rosie Bevan wrote:
<<
The Lincolnshire Lay Subsidy of 1334 has been made available by David
Postles at http://www.le.ac.uk/english/pot/lincers.html . The tenantry
for Tydd (in Holland) at that time unfortunately does not include the
four "domini" heading the list (presumably available from
E179/133/14-16), but some of the names of the tenants are common to the
later indenture.
>>
Thanks for posting this list of names. A number of them certainly tie up
with those mentioned in the charter, including "Robert Makyererl" with the
placename "Makerelesdore" mentioned in the charter. I was also relieved to
see that I had got the strange surname "Eliaduk/Eliaduck" right.
<<
>From Feudal Aids v.III, p.369 it appears that in 1284-1285 Tydd was
divided into moieties. One half was held by John de Tydd, and the other
half was held by Robert de Tateshale and Richard de Ros of Edmund
brother of the king. In 1303, as part of the fee of the honour of
Lancaster, one moiety of Tydd is recorded (p.137) as held by Adam de
Tyd and J. de Ros, of the holding which Hugh de Ros and Roger de Tyd
once held. The other moiety was held by Robert de Tateshale "nomine
predictorum Hugonis et Rogeri". By 1346 (p.240) William de Dunton and
his tenants held a moiety of Tydd which Adam de Tydd and John de Ros
once held. The other moiety was held by Eva de Tatersale of that which
Robert de Tateshale once held. From this, despite the apparent
confusion in the earliest return on which moiety the Ros family had
tenure, it would appear that the manor of Loveden as subject of the
indenture was part of the moiety held by the Tateshale family which
translates to Tydd St Giles (the other moiety being Tydd St Mary).
>>
From what's said in the VCH account of Tydd St Giles
(http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.asp?compid=21921), and what John
Townsend posted from White's Lincolnshire (1856), I would say these two
moieties were both in Tydd St Mary, rather than one being Tydd St Mary and
the other Tydd St Giles.
The presence of Tateshales, Kirketons and Bernaks seems suggestive,
considering the connections between those families, but I can't quite see
how it works. Perhaps somebody more knowledgeable about those families can
explain things.
Adrian Channing wrote:
> I guess all those "edyk" are dykes, thus it is perhaps close to the Wash.
> Also Roger de Kirketon was perhaps from Kirton. There is a place a couple
of
> miles NE of Boston now called Leverton, could this be it?
Edyke occurs as a field name in the VCH account of Tydd St Giles. The
details of the charter suggest the land concerned lies to the east of the
village of Tydd St Mary, so I think Leverton has to be ruled out (as does
a connection with the Loveden that gave its name to a wapentake, which I
think is the one in the extracts posted by John Ravilious).
Another clue is the chapel of St John the Baptist within the manor,
mentioned in the charter. The VCH account refers to a chapel in Eadike,
identified by the author as lying near Tritton Bridge, and possibly
belonging to the guild of St John Baptist. It also refers to the manor of
Tritton in Tydd St Mary (which must be the manor of "Treton" of the
charter). Unfortunately Tritton is also difficult to track down on the map.
James W Cummings wrote:
> I was wondering about Dufcotecroft . Isn`t there a place called
> Dovecotecroft or is it Dovecote?
I think this will be a piece of land where a dovecote - a building housing
doves - stood.
Douglas Richardson wrote:
> I believe that the Lincolnshire charter dated 1378 under discussion and
now
> on Chris Phillips' website is actually a release from a group of trustees
to
> Grace [de] Roos (or Ros), the heiress of the property in question. This
> Grace [de] Roos was the wife of Philip [de] Tilney, Knt., of Boston,
> Lincolnshire, and, in right of his wife, of Lonedon (in Tydd St. Mary),
> Lincolnshire, and Ringborough in Holderness, Yorkshire, Knight of the
Shire
> for Lincolnshire, deputy butler, Boston, Sheriff of cos. Cambridge and
> Huntingdon, Chief steward of the duchy of Lancaster for the North Parts,
> Steward to Bishop Fordham of Ely, Alderman of Corpus Christi guild,
Boston,
> Lincolnshire. As I recall, there is a biography of Sir Philip Tilney in
> Roskell's House of Parliament which you gentlemen might wish to consult.
>
> I've had difficulty proving Grace Roos' parentage, so I'm glad this
charter
> has surfaced. The previous owner in title at both Ringborough and Tydd
St.
> Mary was John de Roos, who was evidently Grace's grandfather, not her
father
> as I thought was the case.
Many thanks for identifying the grantee. If I understand correctly, she was
the great great grandmother of Elizabeth Tilney, grandmother of Henry VIII's
queens Anne Boleyn and Catherine Howard.
Judging by the VCH account of the manor of Ringbrough in Aldbrough
(http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.asp?compid=16125), Grace must have
been the daughter of the Richard de Ros who succeeded his grandfather in
1351. Presumably this is the identification hitherto accepted, as online
sources call her the daughter of Richard Ross. But the VCH has only this to
say about her:
"The manor, which extended into Garton, may have belonged to Richard's son
John by the 1370s, and it was possibly as his heir that Grace wife of Sir
Philip Tilney and her husband were dealing with it in 1389."
The account of Sir Philip Tilney in the History of Parliament refers to
Grace only as "h. of the Baynard family of Histon, Cambs."
As for the name of the manor, which you have as "Loneden" from other
sources, Guy and I had some correspondence about this, and we did consider
the possibility that the name was "Loneden" rather than "Loueden" - "u" and
"n" being so difficult to distinguish in medieval manuscript. (In
particular, the modern map shows a "Little London" about 4 miles north of
Tydd St Mary, though it can't be in Tydd parish, and its location doesn't
seem consistent with the details of the charter.)
The writer does seem to distinguish his "u" and "n" fairly clearly, and the
name does seem to be written "Loueden" rather than "Loneden" (Guy kindly
sent me paper copies which were a bit clearly than the digital image).
However, I should certainly like to look at the other records that have been
read as "Loneden" (and ideally I'd like to identify the site on a modern
map). I'd be grateful for any references you can give me to its appearance
as "Loneden".
Chris Phillips
