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Mississ...@gmail.com

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Oct 18, 2005, 1:30:52 AM10/18/05
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I've been working on compiling a list of the children and grandchildren
of Eleanor of Aquitaine, the wife and queen successively of Louis VII,
King of France and Henry II, King of England. She bore at least ten
children (and possibly eleven, if Ralph of Diceto is correct). This
list is as complete as my knowledge permits, but I know I am unsure of
exactly how many children were born to her daughter Eleanor, queen of
Castile. Any additions or corrections are, of course, appreciated.

By Louis VII, King of France, Eleanor was mother of:

MARIE (1145-1198)
She married Henri I, Count of Champagne, in 1164
1. Scholastique of Champagne (died 1219), married William V, Count of
Macon
2. Henri II, Count of Champagne (1166-1197), married Queen Isabella of
Jerusalem
3. Marie of Champagne (died 1204), married Baldwin I, Emperor of
Constantinople
4. Thibault III, Count of Champagne (1179-1201), married Blanca of
Navarre

ALIX (1150-1197/1198)
She married Thibault V, Count of Blois, in 1164
1. Thibault (died 1182)
2. Louis I, Count of Blois (died 1205)
3. Henri (died 1182)
4. Philippe (died 1202)
5. Marguerite of Blois (died after 1230), married (1) Otto II, Count of
Burgundy, (2) Gauthier II, Seigneur of Avesnes.
6. Isabelle of Chartres (1180-1247/1248), married (1) Sulpice of
Amboise, (2) Jean de Montmirail
7. Alix of Blois, abbess of Fontevrault

By Henry II, King of England, Eleanor was mother of:

WILLIAM, COUNT OF POITIERS (1153-1156)

HENRY THE YOUNG KING (1155-1183)
He married Marguerite of France in 1160
1. William (1177)

MATILDA (1156-1189)
She married Henry the Lion, Duke of Saxony & Bavaria, in 1168
1. Heinrich I, Palatine Count of the Rhein (1173-1227)
2. Lothar (1174-1190)
3. Otto IV, Holy Roman Emperor (1175-1219), married Beatrice of Swabia
4. William, Duke of Lüneburg (1184-1213), married Helen of Denmark
5. Matilda of Brunswick (died 1213), married Geoffrey III, Count of
Perche

RICHARD I, KING OF ENGLAND (1157-1199)
He married Berengaria of Navarre in 1191
Illegitimate issue:
1. Philip (f.l. 1201), married Amelie of Cognac

GEOFFREY II, DUKE OF BRITTANY (1158-1186)
He married Constance of Brittany in 1181
1. Eleanor, Fair Maid of Brittany (1184-1241)
2. Maud of Brittany (1185-before May 1189)
3. Arthur I, Duke of Brittany (1187-1203)

ELEANOR (1161/1162-1214)
She married Alfonso VIII, King of Castile, in 1170
1. Berenguela of Castile (died 1244), married Alfonso IX, King of Leon
2. Urraca of Castile, married Alfonso II, King of Portugal
3. Blanche of Castile (died 1252), married Louis VIII, King of France
4. Leonor of Castile, married Jaume I, King of Aragon
5. Constanza, nun at Las Huelgas (died 1243)
6. Enrique I, King of Castile (died 1217)

JOAN (1165-1199)
She married (1) William II, King of Sicily, in 1177
She married (2) Raymond VI, Count of Toulouse, in 1196
1. Raymond VII, Count of Toulouse (1197-1249)

JOHN, KING OF ENGLAND (1166-1216)
He married (1) Hawise of Gloucester in 1189
He married (2) Isabelle of Angoulême in 1200
1. Henry III, King of England (1207-1272), married Eleanor of Provence
2. Richard, Earl of Cornwall (1209-1272), married (1) Isabel Marshall,
(2) Sancia of Provence, (3) Beatrice of Falkenburg
3. Joan (1210-1238), married Alexander II, King of Scotland
4. Isabella (1214-1241), married Frederick II, Holy Roman Emperor
5. Eleanor (1215-1275), married (1) William Marshal, Earl of Pembroke,
(2) Simon de Montfort, Earl of Leicester
Illegitimate issue:
1. Joan (died 1236), married Llywelyn ap Iorwerth, Prince of Gwyneth
2. Richard Fitzroy, Baron of Chilham (died 1246), married Rose of Dover
3. Oliver Fitzroy (f.l. 1218)
4. Geoffrey Fitzroy (died 1205)
5. John Fitzroy (f.l. 1201)
6. Henry Fitzroy (died 1245)
7. Osbert Giffard (f.l. 1216)
8. Eudes Fitzroy (died 1241)
9. Bartholomew Fitzroy (f.l. 1254)
10. Maud, Abbess of Barking (died 1252)
11. Isabel, married Richard Fitz Ives
12. Philip Fitzroy (f.l. 1263)

Todd A. Farmerie

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Oct 18, 2005, 2:36:15 AM10/18/05
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Mississ...@gmail.com wrote:

> ELEANOR (1161/1162-1214)
> She married Alfonso VIII, King of Castile, in 1170
> 1. Berenguela of Castile (died 1244), married Alfonso IX, King of Leon

b. bef. Aug 1180, d. 8 Nov. 1246, m. 1 Konrad of Swabia, m.2 Alfonso IX

2. Sancho, b. 5 Apr. 1181, d. 26 Jul. 1181
3. Sancha, b. 20/28 Mar. 1182, d. betw. 3 Feb. 1184/16 Oct. 1185

> 2. Urraca of Castile, married Alfonso II, King of Portugal

4. b. 1186/7 d. 3 Nov. 1220

> 3. Blanche of Castile (died 1252), married Louis VIII, King of France

5. b. 4 Mar 1188, d. 27 Nov 1252

6. Fernando, b. 29 Nov 1189, d. 14 Oct 1211

7. Mafalda, b. 1191, d. 1204

> 5. Constanza, nun at Las Huelgas (died 1243)

8. b. ca. 1195, d. 2 Jan 1243

> 6. Enrique I, King of Castile (died 1217)

9. b. 14 Apr 1204, d. 6 Jul. 1217

> 4. Leonor of Castile, married Jaume I, King of Aragon

10. b. 1208 d. 1244

taf

Peter Stewart

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Oct 18, 2005, 4:11:44 AM10/18/05
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<Mississ...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1129613452.7...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

> I've been working on compiling a list of the children and grandchildren
> of Eleanor of Aquitaine, the wife and queen successively of Louis VII,
> King of France and Henry II, King of England. She bore at least ten
> children (and possibly eleven, if Ralph of Diceto is correct). This
> list is as complete as my knowledge permits, but I know I am unsure of
> exactly how many children were born to her daughter Eleanor, queen of
> Castile. Any additions or corrections are, of course, appreciated.

<snip>

> JOAN (1165-1199)
> She married (1) William II, King of Sicily, in 1177
> She married (2) Raymond VI, Count of Toulouse, in 1196
> 1. Raymond VII, Count of Toulouse (1197-1249)

Joan had two short-lived sons as well: Bohemond, duke of Apulia, born & died
in 1182 (by her first husband), and Richard (by her second husband) who was
delivered by caesarean section but died almost immediately, whereupon Joan
was veiled as a nun and herself died the same day (4 September 1199).

Peter Stewart


John Parsons

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Oct 18, 2005, 9:21:49 AM10/18/05
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Julio Gonzalez, _El Reino de Castilla en la Epoca de Alfonso VIII_, 3 vols.
(Madrid, 1960), gives the following children of Alfonso & Eleanor
Plantagenet at vol. 1, pp. 194-212. I list first the 10 children Gonzalez
has securely documented, & then 3 others who are less certainly recorded but
who may well have been this couple's children:


1. Berengaria, b. before Aug. 1180

2. Sancho, b. 5 April 1181, d. in July 1181

3. Sancha, b. between 20 & 28 March 1182, living 3 Feb. 1184. Died young.

4. Urraca, b. ca 1186 or earlier; m. 1206 Alfonso II of Portugal & d. 2 Nov.
1220.

5. Blanca/Blanche, b ca 4 March 1188; m. 1200 Louis (VIII) of France & d.
1252.

6. Fernando/Ferdinand, b. 29 Nov. 1189, d. unm. 14 Nov. 1211.

7. Mafalda/Matilda, b. ca 1191, d. 1204 when she was described as aged 13.

8. Leonor/Eleanor, b. (uncertain), m. 1221 (div. 1229) Jaime I of Aragon &
d. 1251.

9. Constance, b. (uncertain) d. 2 Jan. 1243 as a nun at las Huelgas near
Burgos.

10. Enrique/Henry I of Castile, b. 14 April 1204, d. unm. 6 June 1217.

The three children Gonzalez regards as less securely documented than the
above ten are:

Enrique/Henry, b. (uncertain), d. young ca 1184.

Fernando/Ferdinand, b. ca 1183? d. before 1187.

Leonor/Eleanor, d. young and bur. at las Huelgas where there still exists a
sarcophagus said to be hers, as daughter of the founders King Alfonso &
Queen Leonor. (Not the same as Queen Leonor of Aragon who d. 1251.)


Regards

John P.

Douglas Richardson

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Oct 18, 2005, 11:02:26 AM10/18/05
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Dear Mississippienne ~

Thank you for your good post.

Alfonso VIII, King of Castile (died 1214), and his wife, Eleanor of
England, are assigned fourteen children by the historian, Pedro Aguado
Bleye, Manual de Historia de España 1 (1954): 638-649, namely seven
sons, Sancho, Fernando, Sancho (again), Enrique, Fernando (again),
Fernando (again), and Enrique (I) [King of Castile], and seven
daughters, Berenguela, Sancha, Urraca, Blanche (or Blanca), Mafalda,
Leonor (wife of Jaime I, King of Aragón), and Constanza (a nun at Las
Huelgas).

I might recommend you also check out the interesting article by
Szabolcs de Vajay entitled "From Alphonso VII to Alphonso X," which
appeared in Studies in Gen. & Fam. Hist. in Tribute to Charles Evans
(1989): 366-417.

One last matter: I assume you took your list of King John's children at
least in part from my book, Plantagenet Ancestry (2004): 11-13. This
list is current and up-to-date. I should point out that two of John's
children in this list are not yet proven. One is King John's alleged
daughter, Isabel, wife of Richard Fitz Ives, Knt. The other unproven
child is Philip Fitz Roy, who occurs in a record dated 1263 with a
wife, Lavinia.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: www.royalancestry.net

Todd A. Farmerie

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Oct 18, 2005, 11:32:18 AM10/18/05
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Douglas Richardson wrote:

> The other unproven
> child is Philip Fitz Roy, who occurs in a record dated 1263 with a
> wife, Lavinia.


What evidence IS there that he is son, and not grandson of John?

taf

John Parsons

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Oct 18, 2005, 11:56:59 AM10/18/05
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W. Bliss' _Calendar of Entries in the Papal Registers Relating to England,
Scotland, Ireland, and Wales_ , vol. 1, has 2 references to a son of King
John who, to my knowledge, has not been noticed by historians.

Identified as King John's son, Friar Bartholomew, a Dominican, was given a
dispensation in January 1252 to minister in the orders to which he had been
ordained, and to be promoted to the episcopate (Bliss, vol. 1: 281).

In Aug. 1254 Bartholomew had leave to converse at table with others of his
own congregation, or with Friars Minor (Bliss, 1: 305).

I have seen no other published references to Bartholomew, nor any reference
to him in secondary works. Has his paternity been conclusively disproved?

I am combing my notes for the citation to a notice in one of the edited Pipe
Rolls for John's reign that mentions an Exchequer reference to a "William
filius Regis." The word "regis" was apparently written in full & therefore
not an abbreviation for "Reginald." The editor was unsure whether this
William was actually a son of John, or possibly of Henry the Young King or
Richard I. I don't know if this reference is in my genealogical notes or
with my other notes since I probably jotted it down in connection with
research on the English administrative machinery, & I may never have
duplicated it for my genealogical files. If that is the case it will take
me some time to locate it.

Regards

John P.

Douglas Richardson

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Oct 18, 2005, 2:16:52 PM10/18/05
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Dear Mississippienne ~

King John's illegitimate son, Bartholomew, was a papal chaplain and a
member of the order of Friars Preachers. He was living in August 1254.
[References: Papal Regs.: Letters 1 (1893): 281 ("brother of king
Henry, being an illegitimate son of king John"), 286 ("the king's
brother"), 305].

For further information on King John's illegitimate children (including
Bartholomew), please see Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry
(2004): 11-13. A copy of this same information is also available
online at:

http://www.royalancestry.net/_pdf/pa_01/plantagenet.pdf.

WJho...@aol.com

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Oct 18, 2005, 6:10:53 PM10/18/05
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In a message dated 10/17/05 10:32:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
Mississ...@gmail.com writes:

<< HENRY THE YOUNG KING (1155-1183)
He married Marguerite of France in 1160
1. William (1177) >>

This was the date of their betrothal, (on 2 Nov 1160)
They were married in Winchester Cathedral on 27 Aug 1172

Will Johnson

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In a message dated 10/17/05 10:32:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
Mississ...@gmail.com writes:

<< MATILDA (1156-1189)
She married Henry the Lion, Duke of Saxony & Bavaria, in 1168
1. Heinrich I, Palatine Count of the Rhein (1173-1227) >>

His father and him had the same name.
Consistency requires you to call them both Heinrich or them both Henry :)
Will Johnson

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Oct 18, 2005, 6:29:23 PM10/18/05
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In a message dated 10/17/05 10:32:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
Mississ...@gmail.com writes:

<< RICHARD I, KING OF ENGLAND (1157-1199)
He married Berengaria of Navarre in 1191
Illegitimate issue:
1. Philip (f.l. 1201), married Amelie of Cognac >>

He was first betrothed to Alice of France (sister to his brother's
fiancee/wife)
This betrothal was annulled Mar 1190 at Messina
AFTER this he married Berengaria

Will Johnson

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In a message dated 10/17/05 11:48:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
farm...@interfold.com writes:

<< > 4. Leonor of Castile, married Jaume I, King of Aragon

10. b. 1208 d. 1244 >>

Did Jaime divorce Leonor ?
Heraldry of the Royal Families of Europe, Jiri Louda and Michael Maclagan;
Clarkson N Potter, New York 1981
shows that Jaime married Violante of Hungary in 1235 and off this marriage had
Pedro 1236-, King of Aragon in 1276 and
Isabelle of Aragon in 1243 who married Phillip III, King of France in 1262

Will Johnson

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Oct 18, 2005, 7:13:29 PM10/18/05
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In a message dated 10/18/05 6:22:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time, car...@msn.com
writes:

<< (Not the same as Queen Leonor of Aragon who d. 1251.) >>

Would Leonor really have died as Queen after being divorced 20 years earlier ?
However Violante of Hungary is also said to have d in 1251 so perhaps these
two wives have been confused here.

Will Johnson

Todd A. Farmerie

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Oct 18, 2005, 10:25:01 PM10/18/05
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Yes, Apr 1229, presumably due to their common descent from Alfonso VII.

taf

Todd A. Farmerie

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Oct 18, 2005, 10:32:51 PM10/18/05
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That is the case. Leonor d. 1244 at Las Huegas and buried there, where
she had become a nun following her divorce. I wonder if there is some
confusion between Leonor, daughter of Alfonso and Leonor who was buried
there as an adult and Sancha, here infant sister also buried there.

taf

Mississ...@gmail.com

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Todd A. Farmerie wrote:

> > 4. Leonor of Castile, married Jaume I, King of Aragon
> 10. b. 1208 d. 1244
> taf

I found that Miriam Shadis and Constance Hoffman Berman, in their
article in "Eleanor of Aquitaine: Lord and Lady (2002)", place Leonor's
birth in 1200/1201.

Todd A. Farmerie

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Oct 20, 2005, 12:37:05 AM10/20/05
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What basis did they give?

Szabolcs de Vajay says: "There is controversy over the year of the
Infanta's birth. Del Arco [_Sepulcros de la Casa Real de Castilla_], p.
245 is emphatic that she was born in 1208, hence the same age as her
husband. Gonzalez [_El reino de Castilla en la epoca de Alfonso VIII_,
1:194-96 & n. 191], notes that King Enrique I was the last born child of
Alfonso VIII and places Leonor between Mafalda and Constanza, which
would have made her born before 1195 and at least 14 years older than
her husband King Jaime."

taf

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