Bulkeley descent: from Edward I, not Edward III
Reedpcgen
one of his wives had a descent from Edward III. They do have a number of
descents from Edward I, however. Kay, aren't you a Bulkeley descendant?
pcr
G . EDWARD ALLEN
Paul,
Grace Chetwode has several descents from Edward I through the Talbots,
none from Ed. III.
I am not sure if Peter has a royal descent now that the Mallory descent
has been disproven. I will have to check. Jane Allen descends from
William I the Lion, King of Scotland.
Kay Allen AG all...@pacbell.net
Vickie Elam White
The WELBY and FARWELL families have a descent from
Edward I but not Edward III. My husband is a descendant
of Henry FARWELL and Olive WELBY. The Frances
BULKELEY mentioned is the sister of Rev. Peter.
The link between generations 8 and 9 were weak, which past
publications had noted. However, Douglas Richardson tells me
that it has been verified and the proof will appear in his new book.
1. Edward I m. Marguerite of France
2. Thomas of Norfolk m. Alice de Hales
3. Margaret of Norfolk m. John de Segrave
4. Elizabeth de Segrave m. John de Mowbray
5. Joan de Mowbray m. Thomas Gray, Knt.
6. Maud Gray m. Robert Ogle, Knt.
7. Anne Ogle m. William Heron, Knt.
8. Elizabeth Heron, m. John Heron, Knt.
9. Elizabeth Heron, m. Robert Tailboys, Lord Kyme
10. Maud Tailboys, m. Robert Tyrwhit, Knt.
11. Katherine Tyrwhit, m. Richard Thimbleby, Knt.
12. Elizabeth Thimbleby, m. Thomas Welby
13. Richard Welby, m. Frances Bulkeley
14. Olive Welby, m. Henry Farwell
Vickie Elam White
10265...@compuserve.com
G . EDWARD ALLEN
>
> After looking at it, I guess I was mistaken in thinking that Peter Bulkeley or
> one of his wives had a descent from Edward III. They do have a number of
> descents from Edward I, however. Kay, aren't you a Bulkeley descendant?
>
> pcr
Peter has a Longespee descent from Henry II through the Charltons.
Kay
ED MANN
>
> Reedpcgen wrote:
> >
> > After looking at it, I guess I was mistaken in thinking that Peter Bulkeley or
> > one of his wives had a descent from Edward III. They do have a number of
> > descents from Edward I, however. Kay, aren't you a Bulkeley descendant?
> >
> > pcr
>
>
> Grace Chetwode has several descents from Edward I through the Talbots,
> none from Ed. III.
>
> I am not sure if Peter has a royal descent now that the Mallory descent
> has been disproven. I will have to check. Jane Allen descends from
> William I the Lion, King of Scotland.
I think this still works:
Direct Descendants of Henry II of England
1 King Henry II of England aka: "Curtmantel" b: 25 Mar 1133 d: 8 Jul
1189 ref #: F222:17
2 Sir William Longespee aka: Earl of Salisbury; Named in Magna Charta
b: Abt. 1176 d: 7 Mar 1225/26 ref #: W142-1
+Ela FitzWilliam aka: Ela de Salisbury b: Abt. 1189 d: 24 Aug 1261
ref #: Ä108-28
3 Stephen Longespee d: 23 Jan 1274/75 ref #: W144-2
+Emmeline de Ridelisford b: Abt. 1220 d: 1276 ref #: Ä33A-26
4 Ela Longespee ref #: W144-3
+Sir Roger la Zouche aka: Lord Zouche of Ashby & Brockley b: Abt.
1241 d: 1285 ref #: W90-4
5 Sir Alan la Zouche aka: Lord Zouche of Ashby b: 9 Oct 1267 d: Mar
1313/14 ref #: W90-5
+Eleanor de Segrave b: Abt. 1270 d: 1314 ref #: BxP:598
6 Elena la Zouche b: 1288 d: Aft. 1333 ref #: W98-6
*2nd Husband of Elena la Zouche:
+Alan de Charleton d: 2 Dec 1360 ref #: (Ä31A-30)
7 Alan de Charlton b: Abt. 1318 d: 3 May 1349 ref #: W98-7
+Margery FitzAer b: 4 Apr 1314 d: 1349 ref #: (Ä31A-31)
8 Thomas de Charlton b: 1345 d: 6 Oct 1387 ref #: W98-8
9 Anna de Charlton b: Bef. 1380 d: Bef. 1400 ref #: W98-9
+William de Knightley ref #: (Ä31A-33)
10 Thomas de Knightly de Charlton b: Abt. 30 Mar 1394 d: 4 Jan
1459/60 ref #: W98-10
+Elizabeth Francis ref #: (Ä31A-34)
11 Robert Charlton b: Bef. 1430 d: 1471 ref #: W98-11
+Mary Corbet ref #: Ä29B-34
12 Richard Charlton b: 1450 d: 1522 ref #: W98-12
+Anne Mainwaring ref #: (Ä31A-36)
13 Anne Charlton b: 1480 ref #: W98-13
+Randle Grosvenor b: Abt. 1480 d: Abt. 1560 ref #: W98A-12
14 Elizabeth Grosvenor b: 1515 ref #: W98-14
+Thomas Bulkeley b: 1515 d: 1591 ref #: (Ä31A-38)
15 Rev. Edward Bulkeley b: Abt. 1540 d: Jan 1620/21 ref #: W98-15
+Olive Irby b: Abt. 1547 d: Mar 1614/15 ref #: (Ä31A-39)
16 Rev. Peter Bulkeley b: 31 Jan 1582/83 d: 9 Mar 1658/59 ref #:
W98-16
--
FWIW; AFAIK; IMHO; YMMV; yadda, yadda, yadda.
Regards, Ed Mann mailto:edl...@mail2.lcia.com
References:
Ä = Weis, _Ancestral_Roots_, 7th ed.
AACPW = Roberts & Reitwiesner, _American Ancestors and Cousins of
the Princess of Wales_, [page].
AAP = Roberts, _Ancestors_of_American_Presidents_, [page] or
[Pres. # : page].
BP1 = _Burke's_Presidential_Families_, 1st ed. [page].
BPci = _Burke's_Peerage_, 101st ed., [page].
BRF = Weir, _Britain's_Royal_Families_, [page].
BxP = _Burke's_Dormant_&_Extinct_Peerages_, [page].
EC1 = Redlich, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol I, [page].
EC2 = Langston & Buck, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol II,
[page].
EC3 = Buck & Beard, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol II,
[page].
F = Faris, _Plantagenet_Ancestry_, [page:para].
NK1 = Roberts, _Notable_Kin_Volume_One_, [page].
Π= Hardy, _Colonial_Families_of_the_Southern_States_of_America_,
[page].
S = Stuart, _Royalty_for_Commoners_, 2d ed. Caveat emptor.
W = Weis, _Magna_Charta_Sureties,_1215_, 4th ed.
WFT = Broderbund's World Family Tree CD, [vol]:[num] Caveat emptor.
WMC = Wurt's Magna Charta, [vol]:[page]
G . EDWARD ALLEN
>
> G . EDWARD ALLEN wrote:
> >
> > Reedpcgen wrote:
> > >
> > > After looking at it, I guess I was mistaken in thinking that Peter Bulkeley or
> > > one of his wives had a descent from Edward III. They do have a number of
> > > descents from Edward I, however. Kay, aren't you a Bulkeley descendant?
> > >
> > > pcr
> >
> > Paul,
> >
> > Grace Chetwode has several descents from Edward I through the Talbots,
> > none from Ed. III.
> >
> > I am not sure if Peter has a royal descent now that the Mallory descent
> > has been disproven. I will have to check. Jane Allen descends from
> > William I the Lion, King of Scotland.
>
> I think this still works:
Yes it does, as I mentioned in a slightly later post.
Kay Allen AG all...@pacbell.net
ray montgomery
Do you have any info on any of the collateral lines of this family?
This is my ancestry and i would love to any any thing more you have!!
Sincerely
Young Raymond
On 30 Dec 1998 16:06:31 -0800 all...@pacbell.net (G . EDWARD ALLEN)
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Even without the Heron link, there's another descent from Edward I:
Direct Descendants of Edward I of England
1 King Edward I of England aka: "Longshanks" b: 17 Jun 1239 d: 1307
ref #: BRF:81
+Princess Alianore de Castile b: 1240 d: 28 Nov 1290 ref #:
Ä110-30
2 Joan Plantagenet aka: Joan of England; Joan of Acre b: 1272 d: 23
Apr 1307 ref #: F60:12
+Sir Gilbert de Clare aka: 3d Earl of Gloucester; 7th Earl of
Hertford b: 2 Sep 1243 d: 7 Dec 1295 ref #: W28-4
3 Margaret de Clare b: Oct 1292 d: 9 Apr 1342 ref #: F5:13
*2nd Husband of Margaret de Clare:
+Sir Hugh de Audley aka: 2d Baron Audley; 8th Earl of Gloucester
b: Abt. 1289 d: 10 Nov 1347 ref #: W150-6
4 Margaret de Audley aka: Baroness b: Abt. 1325 d: 16 Sep 1348 ref #:
F5:12
+Sir Ralph de Stafford aka: 1st Earl of Stafford b: 24 Sep 1301 d:
31 Aug 1372 ref #: W136-6
5 Beatrice de Stafford d: Apr 1415 ref #: F242:11
*2nd Husband of Beatrice de Stafford:
+Sir Thomas de Ros aka: 5th Baron Ros of Hamlake b: 13 Jan 1336/37
d: 8 Jun 1384 ref #: W1-6
6 Margaret de Ros ref #: F27:10
+Sir Reynold de Grey aka: 3d Baron Grey de Ruthyn b: Abt. 1362 d:
18 Oct 1440 ref #: Ä93A-32
7 Margaret Grey d: Aft. 1426 ref #: F28:9
+Sir William Bonville aka: K.G. / Baron Bonville b: 31 Aug 1393 d:
18 Feb 1460/61 ref #: Ä261A-38
8 Elizabeth Bonville d: 14 Feb 1490/91 ref #: F262:6
+Sir William Tailboys aka: Lord Kyme b: Abt. 1415 d: 26 May 1464
ref #: W108-10
9 Sir Robert Tailboys aka: Lord Kyme b: Abt. 1451 d: 30 Jan 1494/95
ref #: F262:5
+Elizabeth Heron ref #: W8-14
10 Maud Tailboys ref #: F276:4
+Sir Robert Tyrwhit aka: Knt. b: 1482 d: 4 Jul 1548 ref #:
(Ä223-39)
11 Katherine Tyrwhit ref #: F276:3
+Sir Richard Thimbleby d: 28 Sep 1590 ref #: (Ä223-40)
12 Elizabeth Thimbleby ref #: F276:2
*2nd Husband of Elizabeth Thimbleby:
+Thomas Welby d: 1570 ref #: (Ä223-41)
13 Richard Welby b: Abt. 1564 ref #: F276:1
+Frances Bulkeley b: Abt. 1568 d: 1610 ref #: W98-16
14 Olive Welby b: Abt. 1604 d: 1 Mar 1691/92 ref #: F276:1iv
ray montgomery
May i ask the same of you??
Do you have any info on the collatoral families involved with this
tufel????
Sincerely
RAY
On 30 Dec 1998 15:33:28 -0800 EDL...@MAIL2.LCIA.COM (ED MANN) writes:
>G . EDWARD ALLEN wrote:
>>
>> Reedpcgen wrote:
>> >
>> > After looking at it, I guess I was mistaken in thinking that Peter
>Bulkeley or
>> > one of his wives had a descent from Edward III. They do have a
>number of
>> > descents from Edward I, however. Kay, aren't you a Bulkeley
>descendant?
>> >
>> > pcr
>>
>> Paul,
>>
>> Grace Chetwode has several descents from Edward I through the
>Talbots,
>> none from Ed. III.
>>
>> I am not sure if Peter has a royal descent now that the Mallory
>descent
>> has been disproven. I will have to check. Jane Allen descends from
>> William I the Lion, King of Scotland.
>
>I think this still works:
>
___________________________________________________________________
Don Stone
>
> The WELBY and FARWELL families have a descent from
> Edward I but not Edward III. My husband is a descendant
> of Henry FARWELL and Olive WELBY. The Frances
> BULKELEY mentioned is the sister of Rev. Peter.
>
> The link between generations 8 and 9 were weak, which past
> publications had noted. However, Douglas Richardson tells me
> that it has been verified and the proof will appear in his new book.
>
> 1. Edward I m. Marguerite of France
> 2. Thomas of Norfolk m. Alice de Hales
> 3. Margaret of Norfolk m. John de Segrave
> 4. Elizabeth de Segrave m. John de Mowbray
> 5. Joan de Mowbray m. Thomas Gray, Knt.
> 6. Maud Gray m. Robert Ogle, Knt.
> 7. Anne Ogle m. William Heron, Knt.
> 8. Elizabeth Heron, m. John Heron, Knt.
> 9. Elizabeth Heron, m. Robert Tailboys, Lord Kyme
> 10. Maud Tailboys, m. Robert Tyrwhit, Knt.
> 11. Katherine Tyrwhit, m. Richard Thimbleby, Knt.
> 12. Elizabeth Thimbleby, m. Thomas Welby
> 13. Richard Welby, m. Frances Bulkeley
> 14. Olive Welby, m. Henry Farwell
Incidentally, those who are descended from Olive (Welby) Farwell or her
fourth cousin Katherine (Hamby) Hutchinson might be interested in a new
book concerning their ancestor Sir Geoffrey Luttrell and the psalter he
commissioned: _Mirror in Parchment: The Luttrell Psalter and the Making
of Medieval England_, by Michael Camille, The University of Chicago
Press, 411 pp., $40.00, Cloth. See
http://www.semcoop.com/hcamille.html
for a summary of this book.
.
.
Godfrey Hilton = Hawise Luttrell
Godfrey Hilton = Margery Willoughby
Richard Thimbleby = Elizab. Hilton
John Booth = Anne Thimbleby John Thimbleby = Margaret Boys
Edw. Hamby = Eliz./Eleanor Booth Rich'd Thimbleby = Katherine Tyrwhitt
Wm. Hamby = Margaret (Blewitt) ___ Thomas Welby = Elizabeth Thimbleby
Robert Hamby = Eliz. Arnold Richard Welby = Frances Bulkeley
Edw. Hutchinson = Katherine Hamby Henry Farwell = Olive Welby
(More information about the Willoughby connection above will be included
in the forthcoming Magna Charta book by David Faris and Douglas
Richardson [not the second edition of Plantagenet Ancestry mentioned by
Vickie above].)
-- Don Stone
Vickie Elam White
<< Incidentally, those who are descended from Olive (Welby) Farwell or her
fourth cousin Katherine (Hamby) Hutchinson might be interested in a new
book concerning their ancestor Sir Geoffrey Luttrell and the psalter he
commissioned: _Mirror in Parchment: The Luttrell Psalter and the Making
of Medieval England_, by Michael Camille, The University of Chicago
Press, 411 pp., $40.00, Cloth. See
http://www.semcoop.com/hcamille.html
for a summary of this book. >>
Thanks, cuz! I'll add it to my list, maybe Santa will bring it next
Christmas! <G>
Vickie Elam White
10265...@compuserve.com
ED MANN
<and I edited>
> Ed
> May i ask the same of you??
> Do you have any info on the collatoral families involved with this
> tufel????
The chart I posted was a selective descendant chart, not an ahnenreihe
or ahnentafel. Since the departure point is Henry II of England, I'm
also a "collateral" person, I suppose. For what, specifically, are you
looking?
ray montgomery
I decend from this line.
i am not writing a book or even sharing with others.
my only purpose is my own pedigree.
i decend from Sarah Bulkeley that married Oliver ST JOhn and had
Elizabeth St John who married Reverand Samuel Whiting.
i will state the rest if you are interested?
Do you have more????
Sincerely
RAY
On Thu, 31 Dec 1998 08:37:48 -0500 "ED MANN" <EDL...@MAIL2.LCIA.COM>
writes:
___________________________________________________________________
ED MANN
>
> Ed
> I decend from this line.
> i am not writing a book or even sharing with others.
> my only purpose is my own pedigree.
I don't care to whom you might give the information.
> i decend from Sarah Bulkeley that married Oliver ST JOhn and had
> Elizabeth St John who married Reverand Samuel Whiting.
> i will state the rest if you are interested?
> Do you have more????
More what? My problem is that I still have no idea what the question
is.
ray montgomery
Thank you for your continued interest in helping me to extend the
pedigree of these bulkeley's. ( how is that for kissing up)
What i need is more info on the collateral lines of the bulkeleys.
perhaps you have some information on the following individuals.
1. The ancestry of Alice hill born ą1494 of Woore Shropshire England that
married
William Bulkeley the father of Thomas Bulkeley that married Elizabeth
Grosvenor.
2. The ancestry of Grissel Moulton that married Humprey Bulkeley the
grand father of Thomas Bulkeley that married Elizabeth Grosvenor.
3. The ancestry of Guthlac Overton grandfather of Olive Irby that married
Edward Bulkeley
4. The Ancestry of Sir Robert Browne of Betchworth Castle that married
isabelle sharpe and he (robert ) was the great Grandfather of Olive irby
that married Edward Bulkeley
These sorts of colateral lines Sir. in other words i would be very
apprecitive to receive any in fo you have on this family that you did not
print out.
Very Sincerely
RAY
On Thu, 31 Dec 1998 21:45:55 -0500 "ED MANN" <EDL...@MAIL2.LCIA.COM>
writes:
___________________________________________________________________
ED MANN
>
> Dear Ed!
> Thank you for your continued interest in helping me to extend the
> pedigree of these bulkeley's. ( how is that for kissing up)
> What i need is more info on the collateral lines of the bulkeleys.
> perhaps you have some information on the following individuals.
> 1. The ancestry of Alice hill born ą1494 of Woore Shropshire England that
> married
> William Bulkeley the father of Thomas Bulkeley that married Elizabeth
> Grosvenor.
> 2. The ancestry of Grissel Moulton that married Humprey Bulkeley the
> grand father of Thomas Bulkeley that married Elizabeth Grosvenor.
> 3. The ancestry of Guthlac Overton grandfather of Olive Irby that married
> Edward Bulkeley
> 4. The Ancestry of Sir Robert Browne of Betchworth Castle that married
> isabelle sharpe and he (robert ) was the great Grandfather of Olive irby
> that married Edward Bulkeley
> These sorts of colateral lines Sir. in other words i would be very
> apprecitive to receive any in fo you have on this family that you did not
> print out.
Nothing on any of the above.
LEA...@aol.com
if this is the same Sir Robert or not. The Browne family is intermarried with
the Arundels
and the line I have on the Browne surname only goes back as far as ca. 1350.
My line:
Eleanor Browne m. Sir William Kempe
Sir Robert Browne m. Mary Mallet
Sir Thomas Browne m. Eleanor FitzAlan
Sir Anthony ( Robert) Browne m. Unknown.
The FitzAlan Line:
Eleanor FitzAlan m. Sir Thomas Browne
Sir Thomas FitzAlan de Arundel m. Joane Moyne
John De Arundel, Lord Arundel m. Elizabeth le Despenser
John De Arundel, Lord Arundel m. Eleanor de Maltravers, Baroness Maltravers
The le Despenser line:
Elizabeth le Despenser m. John de Arundel, Lord Arundel
Edward le Despenser, Lord Despenser m. Elizabeth de Burghersh
Edward le Despenser, Lord Despenser m. Anne de Ferrers
Hugh "the Younger" le Despenser, Lord Despenser m. Eleanor de Clare
I am not certain of the birth and death dates of Sir Robert Browne. He was
born circa
1445-1450 at Betchworth Castle, Surrey.
If anyone has information on the Mallet or Moyne lines ( Joane Moyne is the
daughter of Sir Henry Moyne and the line dies there) I would be appreciative
of input.
Hope this helps.
MichaelAnne Guido
ray montgomery
i have anthony Browne of Bechworth as the father of Robert.
I do not have wifes for either one!
According to another source it appears that robert Browne that married
Isabelle sharp is not from Beckworth.
sincerely
RAY
RAY
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