Re: Mary Browne
Simon Fairthorne
still a bit confused
I'm happy that she married Lord John Grey of Pirgo and that one of their
children (one of my ancestors) was Margaret Grey who married Sir Arthur
Capell
I'm also happy that her father was Sir Anthony Browne d 1548
The worry I have is her mother - in February 1998 Adrian Channing quoted
Burke's Extinct Peerage (1883) describing Mary as a half sister of Sir
Anthony Browne 1st Viscount Montagu. His mother is described in CP as Alice
Gage, where she is called the first wife of Sir Anthony.
Tim Powys-Lybbe has on his web site that Sir Anthony's second wife was
Elizabeth FitzGerald, whom he married in 1543 - but surely this is too late
for her to be Mary's mother.
Am I right in assuming that Burke is at fault and that she was a full sister
of the 1st Viscount, ie her parents were Sir Anthony Browne and Alice Gage
Apologies if I missed something - I tried to go through the archives but
could have easily missed a key posting
cheers
Simon
wjhonson
Browne "when only 16 and he above 60" (this however isn't quite true,
as he was only about 42), and who married secondly Edward Clinton, 1st
Earl of Lincoln has a DNB entry.
She it is stated, died "without issue".
Will Johnson
Simon Fairthorne
----- Original Message -----
From: <ADRIANCH...@aol.com>
>
> I have a note that in a previous discussion here it was decided that Mary
> was probably married to Sir Henry Capel, uncle to the one in your post.
>
> By the way Mary was sister, not daughter, of Anthony Browne, Viscount
> Montague (note also the final "e" on Montague.)
>
> Burke's calls Mary's second husband Henry Capel _Bart_, an obvious error.
>
> Adrian
>
Not helped by Duncan Warrand "Hertfordshire Families" VCH
where he says (under Capell)
Sir Arthur Capell married (1) probably about 1577, Margaret Grey, daughter
of Lord John Grey of Pirgo by Mary daughter of Sir Anthony Browne. This Mary
Browne afterwards became the second wife of his father, Henry Capell.
This is repeated under the entry for Heny Capell born ca 1537
Henry married secondly mary Browne of Sir Anthony Browne, knight and sister
of Anthony Browne, Viscount Montagu. She was then widow of Lord John Grey of
Pirgo, youngest son of Thomas (Grey) second Marquess of Dorset.
He also says
In 1616 she was defendant in some proceedings at law, and stated that she
was "nowe in her old age beinge neere a hundred yeares, which is altogether
unfit for suites in lawe but to be spent rather in devotion and preparation
for another worlde."
and
In an undated document Sir Arthur Capell mentions his unkind mother-in-lawe
No wonder there is confusion over who Mary married
cheers
Simon
Douglas Richardson
Checking the National Archives catalogue just now, I didn't find the
lawsuit dated 1616, involving Lady Mary Grey, widow of Lord Joihn Grey
and Henry Capell, Esq., which you mentioned was cited in Warrand's
Hertfordshire Families (1907). The existence of the 1616 lawsuit,
however, proves my belief that Lady Grey did not die in 1614, as
stated without evidence in the article on the Capell family in Trans.
Essex Arch. Soc. n.s. 9 (1906): 243–272.
Regardless, I did find another lawsuit dated post-1588 which involves
a certain Anthony Browne, Esquire, and the Capell family. In the
lawsuit, Anthony Browne claimed a manor in Essex "by devise."
Possibly this lawsuit is of interest to you.
C 2/Eliz/B18/59
Record Summary
Scope and content
Anthony Browne esquire v Sir John Peter Henry Capell, Gamaliel Capell
and Nicholas Waldegrave. Claim by devise. The manor of South Weald
with a free warren or free chase; the parsonage of South Weald and the
manor of Costhall alias Costed Hall; the fair and markets of
Brentwood; the manor of Calcotts alias Caldecotts and a messuage in
Brook Street, which lately was the free chapel there, and certain
lands containing 100 acres, commonly called the Spittle Lands or
Chauntry Lands, and 36s. 3d. rent thereto belonging, and divers other
lands, late the possessions of Sir Anthony Browne, late one of the
justices of the common pleas; all which are situate in South Weald,
Shenfield, Duddinghurst, Brentwood, Brooke Street, Navestock, Keldon,
Gyngrave, Much Warley, Little Warley, Upminster and Clavering or
elsewhere. Essex.
Short title: Browne v Capell etc.
Covering dates Between 1558 and 1603
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
ADRIANCH...@aol.com
their two sons Edward and Thomas Browne died in infancy, bur where Mrs
Roundell got this info, I do not know.… As you say the much quoted "when only 16 and
he above 60" is wrong.
In her will of 1588 (dripping with jewellery) she bequeaths a ring with a
great emerald to queen Elizabeth, so I guess she must have got over the Tudors
wiping out much of her FitzGerals family.
She does name daughters, but these would seem to be daughter's in law, being
by Edward Clinton's 1st wife, viz: Lady Boroughe widow; Lady Willoughbie
wife of Lord Willoughbie of Parham; and Lady Frances Chandoze.
Adrian
In a message dated 18/07/2008 02:05:26 GMT Standard Time, wjho...@aol.com
writes:
wjhonson
> According to Mrs Roundell's _Cowdray The History of a Great English House_,
> their two sons Edward and Thomas Browne died in infancy, bur where Mrs
> Roundell got this info, I do not know.… As you say the much quoted "when only 16 and
> he above 60" is wrong.
>
> In her will of 1588 (dripping with jewellery) she bequeaths a ring with a
> great emerald to queen Elizabeth, so I guess she must have got over the Tudors
> wiping out much of her FitzGerals family.
>
> She does name daughters, but these would seem to be daughter's in law, being
> by Edward Clinton's 1st wife, viz: Lady Boroughe widow; Lady Willoughbie
> wife of Lord Willoughbie of Parham; and Lady Frances Chandoze.
>
> Adrian
>
Edward Clinton the 1st Earl of Lincoln married firstly to Elizabeth
"Bessie" Blount "about 1531" and she had died by 15 Jun 1541
For this couple I have three daughters
Bridget (Clinton) Dymoke wife of Sir Robert Dymoke of Scrivelsby
Margaret (Clinton) Willoughby wife of Charles 2nd Lord Willoughby of
Parham who d 1610-1612
Katherine (Clinton) Burgh d 1621, wife of William 5th Lord Burgh who d
1584
Sometime before 15 Jun 1541, Edward Clinton married secondly
Ursula Stourton who was the mother of his heir-male
Henry Clinton, 2nd Earl of Lincoln
but also I have Ursula as mother of
Frances (Clinton) Brydges d 1623, wife of Giles Brydges, 3rd Lord
Chandos of Sudeley
Edward Clinton, 1st Earl of Lincoln married "about Oct 1552" thirdly
to
Elizabeth FitzGerald.
Will Johnson
ADRIANCH...@aol.com
> According to Mrs Roundell's _Cowdray The History of a Great English
House_,
> their two sons Edward and Thomas Browne died in infancy, bur where Mrs
> Roundell got this info, I do not know.… As you say the much quoted "when
only 16 and
> he above 60" is wrong.
>
> In her will of 1588 (dripping with jewellery) she bequeaths a ring with a
> great emerald to queen Elizabeth, so I guess she must have got over the
Tudors
> wiping out much of her FitzGerals family.
>
> She does name daughters, but these would seem to be daughter's in law,
being
> by Edward Clinton's 1st wife, viz: Lady Boroughe widow; Lady Willoughbie
> wife of Lord Willoughbie of Parham; and Lady Frances Chandoze.
>
> Adrian
>
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(mailto:wjho...@aol.com) writes:
>>>>>
Edward Clinton the 1st Earl of Lincoln married firstly to Elizabeth
"Bessie" Blount "about 1531" and she had died by 15 Jun 1541
For this couple I have three daughters
Bridget (Clinton) Dymoke wife of Sir Robert Dymoke of Scrivelsby
Margaret (Clinton) Willoughby wife of Charles 2nd Lord Willoughby of
Parham who d 1610-1612
Katherine (Clinton) Burgh d 1621, wife of William 5th Lord Burgh who d
1584
Sometime before 15 Jun 1541, Edward Clinton married secondly
Ursula Stourton who was the mother of his heir-male
Henry Clinton, 2nd Earl of Lincoln
but also I have Ursula as mother of
Frances (Clinton) Brydges d 1623, wife of Giles Brydges, 3rd Lord
Chandos of Sudeley
Edward Clinton, 1st Earl of Lincoln married "about Oct 1552" thirdly
to
Elizabeth FitzGerald.
Will Johnson
<<<<<
Thanks for that
Lady Boroughe widow; must be Katherine Burgh
Lady Willoughbie wife of Lord Willoughbie of Parham must be Margaret
Willoughby
As for Lady Frances Chandoze (Chandos) she was wife Giles Bruges (family
name later Brydges) 3rd Baron Chandos. In CP Vol III p 126, she was 5th d of
Edward Clinton, 1st Earl of Clinton, by his 2nd wife, Ursula, d of William
Stourton Bn Stourton.
No mention of Dymoke in neither Elizabeth FitzGerald nor Edward Clinton Ld
Lincoln wills
Adrian