Brownes, (Lord) mayors of London
A Channing
here is a bit more on the Brownes, mayors of London, but I have not come
any significant conclusions.
To re-cap
London mayor Browne family:
John (-will 3 Nov 1497); Sir; mercer of London; In 1480/1 mayor thereof;
kin in Northumberland called (a or de) Werke which I have identified as
referring to the village now called Wark (on Tweed) 20 miles SW of Berwick
on Tweed, co Northumberland, m Anne Belwood (alias Batwood and Belknap)
(-Will 12 Jan 1503/4). He left (with Thomas who may have m Margaret Wood,
and Richard probably dsp):
William (1467-Will 29 May 1514); Sir; mercer; mayor in 1513; m1 Katherine
(-bfr Nov 1407) dau of Sir Edward Shaa (alias Shaw); m2 Alice d of Henry
Kebyll. Alice m2 William Blunt 4th Baron Mountjoy son of John 3rd Bn. Sir
Wm Browne left issue by both marriages.
Sir John Browne's cousin (probably 1st cousin):
William (-1507 will 20 Mar 1507 pr 6 June 1508); mercer; mayor in 1507; of
Stepny; owned property and merchant of the staple of Calais; also mentions
the Werk ancestors; m more than once including to Elizabeth. Left
A. William (-Will PCC 1525); Of St Mary Aldermabury, London and of Calais,
m bfr 1509 Elizabeth (-bfr 1525) d (and heir?) of Richard Lakyn of
Canterbury. Seems to have dsp.
B. Anthony living 1525
C. Leonard living 1525
D. Katherine m bfr 1525 Elrington and left issue
E. Margaret m bfr 1507 Thomas Hynde cit and mercer of London
F. Anne m Sir Richard Fermer of Easton Neston, co Northants and left issue
From Williams Will there are no other issue but mentions my child
(presumably illegitimate) Thomas Torell
[I have not yet seen the Will of the above William (PCC, 38 Bodfelde) only
refs made to it in a document to Soc of Genealogists - the name Elrington
was difficult to read and perhaps incorrect]
There was another Browne who was mayor of London, but is he connected?
Stephen Browne/Broun (-PCC Will 1462); Sir?; mayor in 1438/9 and 1448/9;
seems to have originated from Newcastle-upon-Tyne, very wealthy (owned a
ship and a London wharf); m Juliana; Alice; and Rose probably all
pre-deceased him. Left a son John and 3 grand daughters Rose, Katherine
and Agnes all seem to be of age in 1462, so possibly the Browne name ended
in this branch.
The mayor Brownes seem to be connected to the Betchworth Brownes (but the
connection in Visitation of Kent and Visitation of Essex are incorrect)
These Betchworth Brownes are as follows:
Thomas Browne (1414-1460 executed); Sir; Of Betchworth, Surrey (in right of
his wife) and of London; m 1434 Eleanor d&h of Sir Thomas Fitzalan of
Betchworth; She m2 Thomas Vaughan of Tretower.
They left:
1.George (-1483 executed); Sir; Of Betchworth; m Elizabeth (-1488) dau of
Sir William Paston and widow of Robert Poynings (-1460/1 battle of St
Albans) and left issue.
2. Thomas
3. Robert (-PCC Will 1509); m Anne and left a daughter (possibly 2
daughters)
4. Anthony (-1506 PCC Will); Standard bearer for Eng; Constable of
Queenborough Castle, Kent; In 1503 created constable of Calais Castle;
Owned property in Calais; m1 1487/8 Eleanor dau of Robert Ughtred of Yorks;
m2 Lucy (-PCC Will 1531) d&ch of John Nevil Mq of Montagu and widow of Sir
Thomas FitzWilliam of Aldwarke, York (by her m1 she was mother of Earl
Southampton) and left issue (by his m1 Anne who m Charles Brandon Dk of
Suffolk; by his m2 Sir Anthony (m1 Alice Gage m2 Elizabeth FitzGerald)
father of 1st Viscount Montague)
5. William (One edition of Burke's states he left a son of Tavistock)
6. Leonard
7. Edward.
8. Katherine m ____ Sackville of Buckhurst, Sussex
These 7 sons were named in a deed dated 1461
My new information comes from "Heraldic Pedigrees of the Northern Counties
collected in 1560 and 1561" attributed to Lawrence Dalton, Norroy King of
Arms or his deputy, as appears in Surtees Society 1834 Vol 122. (Thanks to
Jim for the ref. to Quinton Publications selling this CD)
"The Desente and Pedegre of Sir Roberte Branlyn, Knight, in Newcastle."
starts with:
"Robert Branlyn of Spytton in Northumberland [married] Marye ______
dowghter to Browne of Wark and sustre to Browne capteyne of the castle of
Callyce, had issue Roberte and William."
The editor of Surtees Society states that there is no place called Spytton
in Northumberland, but it should probably be Spital at the mouth of the
Tweed opposite Berwick.
He also states that Browne of Wark cannot be traced, but presumably it is
part of the mayor of London Browne family.
There were no known Captain of Calais called Browne and is tempting to
identify him with the Sir Anthony who was Constable of Calais, however I
have come across quite a few Brownes who were connected with Calais, not
leased the above William mayor in 1507.
(Some Captains of Calais:- John Blount 3Bn Mountjoy (Capt of Guines Castle,
which is the castle adjoining Calais), Reginald Scott (-1554); Sir John
Gage (1479-1556/7); Edmond de la Pole; ____ Tyrell Capt of Guisnes and
Richard Carew (c1470-1520))
The shield of Sir Robert Brandling/Branlyn [son of John son of Robert son
of the above Robert Branlyn] is shown in the Visitation as Brandling
quartering Browne (2 & 3), the Browne quartering is that of the Browne,
mayors of London (az. a Chevron between three Escallop shells guells).
Apparently the MS _Anstis_ C 9 (Visitation of the North, 1558) has "William
browne: silver and gold per pale endented, upon all a chevron between iij
scaloppis geules; his wife geules, a chevron between iij luces ayrantz
silver." I don't know what ayrantz means but luce is the heraldic name for
the fish "pike" and I suspect this may well have been the surname of the
bearer. Sir William Browne (1467-Will 29 May 1514) mentions a cousin
Isabel Pike and he bequests a jeweled pike to his father in law Kebyll.
One of Sir William's daughters Juliana m John Munday who had connections to
a Pike family. (Don't tell 'em your name Pike - oh just ignore me, this is
a line from an old British TV comedy)
The Kent visitation has the father of Sir John Browne (-will 3 Nov 1497) as
Sir Thomas Browne by Mary dau of ____ Metcalf of Nappa, co Yorks. There is
a large Metcalf Society and their Web pages gives some information on the
early Metcalf's but unfortunately does not confirm this filtration.
regards,
Adrian
D. Spencer Hines
Do you have any of these Brownes marrying Washingtons, in the 16th or 17th Century?
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"A Channing" <ACha...@compuserve.com> wrote in message news:200108071543_...@compuserve.com...
Todd A. Farmerie
>
> My new information comes from "Heraldic Pedigrees of the Northern Counties
> collected in 1560 and 1561" attributed to Lawrence Dalton, Norroy King of
> Arms or his deputy, as appears in Surtees Society 1834 Vol 122. (Thanks to
> Jim for the ref. to Quinton Publications selling this CD)
>
> "The Desente and Pedegre of Sir Roberte Branlyn, Knight, in Newcastle."
> starts with:
>
> "Robert Branlyn of Spytton in Northumberland [married] Marye ______
> dowghter to Browne of Wark and sustre to Browne capteyne of the castle of
> Callyce, had issue Roberte and William."
Is there sufficient information to guess as to the chronology of
this couple?
taf
Todd A. Farmerie
>
> "The Desente and Pedegre of Sir Roberte Branlyn, Knight, in Newcastle."
> starts with:
>
> "Robert Branlyn of Spytton in Northumberland [married] Marye ______
> dowghter to Browne of Wark and sustre to Browne capteyne of the castle of
> Callyce, had issue Roberte and William."
> The shield of Sir Robert Brandling/Branlyn [son of John son of Robert son
> of the above Robert Branlyn] is shown in the Visitation as Brandling
> quartering Browne (2 & 3), the Browne quartering is that of the Browne,
> mayors of London (az. a Chevron between three Escallop shells guells).
I can now answer my own question, from a list of Mayors of
Newcastle at:
http://www.newcastle-city-council.gov.uk/lordmayor.nsf/a/1500-1599
Todd A. Farmerie
[my software just sent this off in mid thought . . . so I
continue]
John Brandling Sheriff 1505; Mayor 1509, 1512, 1516, 1520
Robert Brandling Sheriff 1524; Mayor 1531, 1536, 1543, (as Sir
Robert) 1547, 1564
Henry Brandling Sheriff 1566; Mayor 1568, 1576
Assuming the middle man is your Sir Robert Brandling, then it
produces a comparative chronology looking like this:
Robert Brandling m. Mary Browne of Wark
Robert Brandling John Browne (M1480)
John Brandling (M1509) William Browne (M1513)
Sir Robert Brandling (M1531)
Henry Brandling (M1566)
Mayor John Browne would appear to be born ca. 1440 (+/- 10 yrs),
which would put him in the generation of Sir Anthony of Calais.
If the listing of children of Sir Thomas (ex 1460) is complete
(no John, as appears to be the case from the 1461 deed) then the
relationship must be more distant, particularly if John's father
is also named Thomas, but not this Sir Thomas. I don't think it
is practical to try to make Sir John a grandson of Sir Thomas, as
the latter was m. 1434, while Sir John's son William was b. ca.
1467 (is this a ballpark based on him being "aged 30 and more" at
the time of his father's ipm? If so it may not be all that
reliable), plus it would mean Sir John couldn't be b. bef. ca.
1452, which makes him a somewhat young Mayor. Mary would appear
to be of the generation of Sir Thomas (and, if correct, John's
father Thomas).
taf
Todd A. Farmerie
Huntingdonshire Visitation [Camden Soc. 1849] (abbreviated
somewhat in last generations):
Johannes Browne, Aldermannus civitatis London, ao. =
|
+------------+--------------+------------------|
| | |
Johannes Willelmus Thomas Browne=
|
+----------------+-------------------|
| |
Joh'nes ob.s.p. Edward Browne de Lon- = ... filia et heres
don, 2 filius Thomae | ....Sukley de London
+-----------------------------------|
| |
Henricus Browne = Alicia, f. Nich'i Richardus, ob.s.p.
de Radwinter in | Trappe de London
|
|
Franciscus Browne, de St Ives=Thomasina, filia
in com. Hunt. ao 1613 |junior Henr. Tyrell
|de Heron in Essex,
+------------------------|militis
|
Thomas Browne,
filius et haeres, aet.
28 annor' tempore
Visitationis 1613
Comparing the approximate birthdate for Mayor William 1513, the
chronology would give you about 29 years per generation (or
perhaps more, since I think William's age is based on being 30+
in his father's ipm), for the first Thomas to be son of Johannes
to be Alderman (and Mayor) John Browne, d. 1497, which is
entirely reasonable. However, his will does not name a John, and
does name a deceased (app. s.p.) son Richard, but I guess
misnaming a son who d.s.p. three generations earlier is not a
fatal flaw.
taf
Todd A. Farmerie
"Todd A. Farmerie" wrote:
> +-----------------------------------|
> | |
> Henricus Browne = Alicia, f. Nich'i Richardus, ob.s.p.
> de Radwinter in | Trappe de London
Radwinter in Essex
taf
A Channing
> In the FWIW department, I found the following in the 1613
> Huntingdonshire Visitation [Camden Soc. 1849] (abbreviated
> somewhat in last generations):
>
> Johannes Browne, Aldermannus civitatis London, ao. =
> |
> +------------+--------------+------------------|
> | | |
> Johannes Willelmus Thomas Browne=
> |
> +----------------+-------------------|
> | |
> Joh'nes ob.s.p. Edward Browne de Lon- = ... filia et heres
> don, 2 filius Thomae | ....Sukley de London
> +-----------------------------------|
> | |
> Henricus Browne = Alicia, f. Nich'i Richardus, ob.s.p.
> de Radwinter in | Trappe de London
> |
> |
> Franciscus Browne, de St Ives=Thomasina, filia
> in com. Hunt. ao 1613 |junior Henr. Tyrell
> |de Heron in Essex,
> +------------------------|militis
> |
> Thomas Browne,
> filius et haeres, aet.
> 28 annor' tempore
> Visitationis 1613
>
>
> Comparing the approximate birthdate for Mayor William 1513, the
> chronology would give you about 29 years per generation (or
> perhaps more, since I think William's age is based on being 30+
> in his father's ipm), for the first Thomas to be son of Johannes
> to be Alderman (and Mayor) John Browne, d. 1497, which is
> entirely reasonable. However, his will does not name a John, and
> does name a deceased (app. s.p.) son Richard, but I guess
> misnaming a son who d.s.p. three generations earlier is not a
> fatal flaw.
Todd,
Thanks v. much for you message. This is a filtration I have considered
before.
My greatest difficulty is with the second generation Thomas. In, what
would be his fathers Will of 1497, ie John Browne mayor in 1480, there is
no mention of a wife for Thomas. By 12 Jan 1503 Thomas is dead. His
mother's (Anne nee Belwood) will mentions his widow (already remarried) but
there is no mention of any issue of Thomas.
line 56/7 "... Then I bequeath to Mighell English mercer a ring of gold
of the value of xxvi s and to Margaret his wife late the wife of my son
Thomas Browne another ring of the same value"
Here are some other sundry observations:
Perhaps the Sukley is related to the Henry Suckley sheriff of London in
1541
The property Radwinter/Rodwinter, Essex keeps turning up in my notes:
From Philip Morant's "Essex":
FROSHWELL HALF-HUNDRED.
4. Radwinter Grange,
A reputed Manor, formerly belonged to Titley-Abby. It was rented
by John Sexten for 6l. 18s 4d. {fn Valuat. of Abbies.}
After the suppression, it was granted, among many other things,
in 1538, to Charles Brandon, Duke of Suffolk {fn Lett. pat. 30 Hen.
VIII.}. It is said to have been formerly the Roo's, but it does not
appear who gave it to Tiltey. [=Titley above?]
On the 9th of June 1565, Queen Elizabeth granted a licence to
Giles Powlett [presumably 3s of Sir William Paulet 1Mq Winchester] and
Mary his wife and Humfrey Browne Esq: to alienate this manor, and
Friers Grange in Roding Aythorp to
Humfrey Shelton and Henry Norris Gent, and the heirs of Humfrey,
for the use of Alice wife of the said Henry (Lett.Pat. 7 Eliza.)
William Birde and Alice his wife, had license 7 Decemb 1580, to
sell this estate to Edward Birde, Gent and his hiers. {fn Pat. 23
Eliz.}
Alice Birde, who, dying 7 July 1614 held this maner of Radwinter
Grange of the King, in ca. by the 60th part of a knights fee: and a
moiety of a tenement or farm called Jenkin Hodges in this parish. Her
Grange of the King, in ca. by the 60th part of a knights fee: and a
moiety of a tenement or farm called Jenkin Hodges in this parish. Her
son and heir
Francis Browne, was then aged upwards of 50 years (Inquis 12
Jaco. Oct 25) [25 Oct 1614]
[I take it that Alice m1 Henry Browne, m2 Henry Norris, m3
William Birde. I'm not sure who the Humfrey Browne mentioned above
was]
This estate hath been some time in .... Sharp and is lately
sold. .......
(Vol II page 538)
Note that one of Charles Brandon's wives was Anne dau of Sir Anthony
Browne, constable of Calais.
The following confirms the Trappe filtration:
Nicholas Browne clerk of Bolt co. Notts, vs. John Hunt. 12 Jan
1659/60. In 32 Henry VIII (1540/1) Charles Brandon, Duke of Suffolk,
granted the manor of Dunton Basset (Leics.) to Robert Trappes and wife
Joan for their lives remainder to their son Nicholas Trappes and his
heirs. Nicholas had 2 daughters, Mary, wife of Gyles, Lord Powlet,
and Alice, wife of Henry Browne, Esq., the orator's great-grandfather.
Henry and Alice conveyed their rights to Lord Powlet and in return
received an annual rent, which the tenants of Dunton Basset formerly
paid, among them Thomas and William Almey. They now refuse to pay.
The answer of John Hunt shews that William Almey, son of Thomas Almey,
was of Bitteswell. (Chanc. Proc, before 1714, C 3, 435/76.)
The Almeys were kinsmen of William Almey, the early settler of
Portsmouth, R.I. (Chanc. Proc. before 1714,C 3, 435/76.)
(Genealogical Gleanings in England, NEHG Vol 100 July 1946 p 217)
I would imagine Radwinter must have been transferred from Charles Brandon
in the same way as the above property, ie via the Trappe family. I must
plough through CP (Suffolk) to see if there is a mention of them.
In the Visitation of London 1633-5 under Browne (Downgate Ward) which is a
continuation of the Huntingdon pedigree, has Francis Browne of St Ives m1
dau of Sir Henry Tirrel Knt of Heron, gives him a second wife Jane d of
Andrew Joynor of Bigotts in Dunmow Esq. (I see the Huntingdon visitation
has her as Jana d of Andrew Jennour of Much Dunmowe) and left (with others)
1. Henry m Francies dau of Thomas Wale of Radwinter, Essex. Don't know how
Wale got Radwinter?, perhaps he was just living at his son-in-laws
property?
The Tirrel connection in these visitations agree to O. F. Brown's "The
Tyrells of England" There are quite a few Tyrell/Browne connections, but
in particular.
Gertrude (sister of the Thomasine Tirrel here) m John Browne of Fiddles,
Essex - a Browne family for which I have a few generations.
Hawise, another sister m2 Stephen Beckingham, his m2. His m3 was to
Elizabeth d of William Browne and grand dau of Sir William Browne mayor in
1513.
Thomas, brother of these Tirrel sisters, m Margaret d of Sir John Sulyard
of Wetherdon, Suffolk. She m2 Sir Anthony Browne of Essex, another Browne
family for which I also have quite a few generations - but from Burke's I
think. (This Sir Anthony is not connected to the Betchworth/Cowdray
Brownes - This Sir Anthony had a nasty habit of burning witches, but is,
unfortunately, fondly remembered as founder the free School at Brentwood,
Essex)
ŠAdrian (Surrey, UK) <ACha...@CompuServe.Com>
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Sutliff
It was either last year or the year before that I posted a query about
this trying to determine where Henry Browne fit. I have researched the
Paulets and Trappes a bit and can extend this a bit more. Robert
Trappes (d. 1560) was apparently son of Thomas Trappes of Theydon
Boys, Essex. Robert was married twice (1) ______, by whom he had
Nicholas (d. v. p. 1544), George, William and Philippa (m. Sir George
Gifford) and (2) Joan Cryspe, by whom he had Robert, Francis and Joyce
(m. _____ Saxye). The only source found so far for the name of
Nicholas's wife suggests she was a Mary Calton, daughter of Thomas.
Giles Paulet of Cottles, Wilts was 3rd son of William Paulet, 1st
Marquess of Winchester and his wife Elizabeth Capel. Giles was not
Lord Powlet, Poulett or Paulet to the best of my research.
Hope this helps,
Hap
Todd A. Farmerie
>
> Thanks v. much for you message. This is a filtration I have considered
> before.
>
> My greatest difficulty is with the second generation Thomas. In, what
> would be his fathers Will of 1497, ie John Browne mayor in 1480, there is
> no mention of a wife for Thomas. By 12 Jan 1503 Thomas is dead. His
> mother's (Anne nee Belwood) will mentions his widow (already remarried) but
> there is no mention of any issue of Thomas.
I note also that the arms attributed to the family in the
Huntingdon Visitation bear little resemblance to that of Mayor
John (azure, a chevron or between three escallops of second, a
bordure engrailed or). It is argent, on a fess embattled-counter
embattled (bretessed) sable three escallops of the first, on a
canton, quarterly, gules and azure, a lion's head or. In other
words, other than 3 scallops, it has nothing in common.
taf