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William Addams Reitwiesner

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Nov 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/20/99
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Recently there was some discussion here about the "heir" (using modern
concepts of inheritance) of the Anglo-Saxon and early Scottish Kings. The
heirship is as follows. "SP" refers to the *Scots Peerage*, "CP" refers to
the second edition of Cokayne's *Complete Peerage*, and "ES" refers to the
Schwennicke edition of *Europaeische Stammtafeln*.

1. Edmund Ironside K of England (-1016) m. Ealdgyth [ES II:78]

2. Edward the Exile (d. 1057) m. Agatha [ES II:78]

3. Margaret of England (-1093) m. Malcolm Caenmor K of Scots (-1093) [SP
I:1;ES II:89]

4. David I K of Scots (1080-1153) m. Matilda of Huntingdon [SP I:3; CP
VI:641;ES II:89]

5. Henry E Northumberland (-1152) m. Ada de Warenne (-1178) [SP I:4; CP
VI:642;ES II:90]

[older son's legitimate issue extinct 1290]

6. David E Huntingdon (-1219) m. Maud of Chester [SP I:4;CP VI:646;ES
II:90]

[sons d. sp. by 1237]

7. Margaret of Huntingdon m. Alan Lord of Galloway (-1234) [SP IV:139;ES
II:90]

8. Devorguila of Galloway (-1290) m. John de Baliol (-1268) [SP IV:142;ES
II:91]

[sons' issue extinct by 1363]

9. Ada de Baliol m. William de Lindsay (1250-1283) [SP III:5]

10. Christine Lindsay (-1333) m. Enguerrand V de Coucy (-1321) [CP
VI:224;ES VII:82 has Christine's parents wrong]

11. Guillaume de Coucy (-1335) m. Isabeau de Chatillon (-1360) [CP
VI:226;ES VII:82]

12. Enguerrand VI de Coucy (-1344) m. Katharina v Oesterreich (1320-1349)
[CP VI:227;ES VII:82]

13. Enguerrand VII de Coucy 1 E Bedford (-1398) m. Isabel of England
(1332-1379) [CP VI:227;CP II:69;ES VII:82]

14. Marie de Coucy m. Henri de Bar (-1396) [ES VI:147]

15. Robert de Bar C de Marle (-1415) m. Jeanne de Bethune (-1450) [ES
VI:147]

16. Jeanne de Bar (-1462) m. Louis I de Luxembourg C de St Pol (1418-1476)
[ES VI:27]

[older son d. unm. 1476]

17. Pierre II de Luxembourg C de Brienne (1440-1483) m. Marguerite di
Savoja (-1483) [ES VI:29]

18. Marie de Luxembourg (-1546) m. Francois de Bourbon C de Vendome
(1470-1495) [ES III:74]

19. Charles IV de Bourbon D de Vendome (1489-1537) m. Francoise d'Alencon
(1491-1550) [ES II:28]

20. Antoine de Bourbon D de Vendome (1518-1562) m. Jeanne III d'Albret R de
Navarra (1528-1572) [ES II:28]

21. Henri IV Roi de France (1553-1610) [ES II:29]


This heirship is discussed at SP III:6 and at CP II:70 (c). It can easily
be brought to the present (the current heir is Dona Alicia de Borbon nee di
Borbone-Parma, b. 1917), but the details are outside the scope of this
group.


William Addams Reitwiesner
wr...@erols.com

"Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc."

R J Valentine

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Nov 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM11/21/99
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William Addams Reitwiesner <wr...@erols.com> wrote:

] Recently there was some discussion here about the "heir" (using modern


] concepts of inheritance) of the Anglo-Saxon and early Scottish Kings. The
] heirship is as follows. "SP" refers to the *Scots Peerage*, "CP" refers to
] the second edition of Cokayne's *Complete Peerage*, and "ES" refers to the
] Schwennicke edition of *Europaeische Stammtafeln*.

...
] 5. Henry E Northumberland (-1152) m. Ada de Warenne (-1178) [SP I:4; CP


] VI:642;ES II:90]
]
] [older son's legitimate issue extinct 1290]

That's not Malcolm IV, but William the Lion, right? The legitimate line
was by Ermengarde de Beaumont: Alexander II -> Alexander III -> Margaret
-> Margaret (d. 26 Sep 1290)? Were other lines both through illegitimate
daughters of William the Lion and later extinct? (Dunbar, by Isabel de
Avenal?: Ada -> Patrick -> Patrick (d. 1248) -> Patrick (d. 1289) ->
Patrick (d. 1308) -> Alexander -> Patrick -> Agnes; and de Vesci, by the
daughter of Adam de Hythus?: Margaret -> William (d. 1253) -> William (d.
1297)?)

] This heirship is discussed at SP III:6 and at CP II:70 (c). It can easily


] be brought to the present (the current heir is Dona Alicia de Borbon nee di
] Borbone-Parma, b. 1917), but the details are outside the scope of this
] group.

So like mums the word on Henri IV -> Louis XIII -> Louis XIV -> Louis le
G.D. -> Louis le P.D. -> Louis XV -> Louis -> Charles X -> Charles
Ferdinand -> Louise -> Roberto -> Elio Roberto -> Alicia (otherwise I'd
ask if I had it right, because I had the Parma line scrambled up once).

--
R. J. Valentine <mailto:rj+hun...@clark.net>

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