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Re: Who was Robin Hood ?
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PMe...@aol.com
Oct 21, 2005, 6:48:55 PM10/21/05
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May I add a few jottings to this.
Havoise de Dinan was a grand-daughter of Geoffroy I de Dinan whose lands were
divided between his sons in 1122/3. Her father, Josce or Josselin, possibly
the youngest son, received lands in England that Geoffroy had been granted by
Henry I. Michael Jones found Josce in 1156 holding Lambourn in Berkshire, other
lands in Wiltshire and Hampshire, and having an interest in the Dinan manors
in Devon and Somerset. Josce died abt. 1166 leaving two daughters : Sibylle
(who married Hugh de Plugenet) and Hawise who inherited Stanton (Fitzwarren) and
married Foulke Fitzwarin. None of the places named would appear to be Robin
Hood country. The Fitzwarin connection with Whittington, Shropshire, takes us a
bit nearer.
Foulke II, Hawise's son, was outlawed in 1200 but obtained a pardon in 1203.
Born abt 1170, he died in 1258.
He may well have been one of the "original" Robin Hoods, in the same way that
Alexander Selkirk and Dampier and Lewis Penrose were all Robinson Crusoe.
I would suggest that the "robbin' hood[lum]" explanation may be looking
through the wrong end of the social telescope. To the ordinary folk who told the
tales, sang the ballads and no doubt bought the tee-shirt, Robin was a popular
hero. The thieving varmint, to their eyes, was the tax-collecting sheriff.
Hope this helps,
Peter Meazey (Dinan, Brittany)
Source : Michael Jones, The family of Dinan in England in the Middle Ages,
Dinan 1987
Havoise de Dinan was a grand-daughter of Geoffroy I de Dinan whose lands were
divided between his sons in 1122/3. Her father, Josce or Josselin, possibly
the youngest son, received lands in England that Geoffroy had been granted by
Henry I. Michael Jones found Josce in 1156 holding Lambourn in Berkshire, other
lands in Wiltshire and Hampshire, and having an interest in the Dinan manors
in Devon and Somerset. Josce died abt. 1166 leaving two daughters : Sibylle
(who married Hugh de Plugenet) and Hawise who inherited Stanton (Fitzwarren) and
married Foulke Fitzwarin. None of the places named would appear to be Robin
Hood country. The Fitzwarin connection with Whittington, Shropshire, takes us a
bit nearer.
Foulke II, Hawise's son, was outlawed in 1200 but obtained a pardon in 1203.
Born abt 1170, he died in 1258.
He may well have been one of the "original" Robin Hoods, in the same way that
Alexander Selkirk and Dampier and Lewis Penrose were all Robinson Crusoe.
I would suggest that the "robbin' hood[lum]" explanation may be looking
through the wrong end of the social telescope. To the ordinary folk who told the
tales, sang the ballads and no doubt bought the tee-shirt, Robin was a popular
hero. The thieving varmint, to their eyes, was the tax-collecting sheriff.
Hope this helps,
Peter Meazey (Dinan, Brittany)
Source : Michael Jones, The family of Dinan in England in the Middle Ages,
Dinan 1987
Todd A. Farmerie
Oct 22, 2005, 11:36:06 AM10/22/05
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PMe...@aol.com wrote:
> Source : Michael Jones, The family of Dinan in England in the Middle Ages,
> Dinan 1987
I have not had a chance to take a look at this source yet. Does Jones
address at all the origins of the family?
taf
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