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C.P. Addition: Hawise de Muscegros (living 1348), wife of William de Mortimer, John de Ferrers, Knt., and John de Bures, Knt.
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Douglas Richardson
Aug 2, 2016, 9:02:32 PM8/2/16
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Dear Newsgroup ~
Complete Peerage 5 (1926): 305–310 (sub Ferrers) has a good account of Sir John de Ferrers, Knt. (died 1312), lst Lord Ferrers of Chartley. Regarding his marriage, the following information is provided:
"He married between 2 Feb. 1297/8 and 13 Sept. 1300 Hawise, daughter and heiress of Sir Robert de Mucegros, of Stowell, Norton, and Charlton, Somerset, Kemerton and Bodddington, co. Gloucester, Hampstead and Aldworth, Berkshire, by Agnes his wife. She was widow of William de Mortemer, of Bridgwater, Milverton, and Odcombe, Somerset, Crendon, Bucks. .... who d.s.p. shortly before 30 June 1297, but this marriage had not been consummated .... probably in August 1312, John [de Ferrers] died in Gascony, of poison, it is said ... His widow [Hawise] married Sir John de Bures ... She, who was born 21 Dec. 1276, was living 24 June 1340, but died before him. He [John de Bures] died at Boddington, 21 or 22 Dec. 1350." END OF QUOTE.
On page 310, footnote a, the editor provides the following source for the last known date that Hawise de Muscegros was alive:
"Close Roll, 14 Edw. III., p. 1, m. 9 d. In an Inq. p. m. (Ch., Edw. III, file 87), taken 17 Nov. 1347, she is alluded to as living, but such statements are often incorrect." END OF QUOTE.
So we are told that Hawise de Muscegros was living 24 June 1340, and that she might have been living 17 Nov. 1347.
Recently I located a Common Pleas lawsuit dated Easter 1348, which proves that Hawise de Muscegros was living as late as that date. An abstract of the lawsuit is provided below.
In Easter term 1348 John de Bures and his wife, Hawise, sued _____ Fowyere, of Bicknor, Gloucestershire regarding one messuage and two acres of land in Bicknor, Gloucestershire. Reference: Court of Common Pleas, CP40/354, image 954, available at the following weblink: http://aalt.law.uh.edu/E3/CP40no354/aCP40no354frNo1to200/IMG_0954.htm).
The above lawsuit concerns land at [English] Bicknor, Gloucestershire, which property was part of Hawise de Muscegros' own inheritance. For further particulars on this property, please see VCH Gloucester (1996): 106–107, which may be viewed at the following weblink:
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/glos/vol5/pp101-117
Modern historians think that Hawise de Muscegros is perhaps buried in the church of English Bicknor, Gloucestershire. See Verey and Brooks, Gloucestershire 2: The Vale and the Forest of Dean (1970): 359, available at the following weblink:
https://books.google.com/books?id=m9W2XH11-9EC&pg=PA359
In summary, the above Common Pleas lawsuit shows that Hawise de Muscegros was living as late as Easter term 1348. She may possibly be buried in the church of English Bicknor, Gloucestershire.
For interest's sake, the following is a list of the 17th Century New World immigrants that descend from Hawise de Muscegros and her 1st husband, Sir John de Ferrers:
Robert Abell, Dannett Abney, William Bladen, George & Nehemiah Blakiston, Thomas Booth, Elizabeth Bosvile, George, Giles & Robert Brent, Edward Carleton, Kenelm Cheseldine, Grace Chetwode, Henry Corbin, Elizabeth & Thomas Coytemore, Frances, Jane, & Katherine Deighton, Margaret Domville, Rowland Ellis, John Fenwick, Edward Foliot, Thomas Gerard, Muriel Gurdon, Daniel & John Humphrey, Mary Launce, Thomas Ligon, Oliver Manwaring, Anne, Elizabeth & John Mansfield, Anne & Katherine Marbury, Anne Mauleverer, John and Margaret Nelson, Philip & Thomas Nelson, Elizabeth, Joshua, & Rebecca Owen, Thomas Owsley, George Reade, Thomas Rudyard, Richard Saltonstall, Mary Wolseley, Amy Wyllys.
The following is a list of the 17th Century immigrants that descend from Hawise de Muscegros and her 2nd husband, Sir John de Bures:
Robert Abell, Thomas Booth, Elizabeth Bosvile, George, Giles & Robert Brent, Charles Calvert, Frances, Jane & Katherine Deighton, Edward Foliot, Edmund, Edward, Matthew, & Richard Kempe, Thomas Ligon, Thomas Owsley, Mary Johanna Somerset, Hawte Wyatt, Amy Wyllys.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Complete Peerage 5 (1926): 305–310 (sub Ferrers) has a good account of Sir John de Ferrers, Knt. (died 1312), lst Lord Ferrers of Chartley. Regarding his marriage, the following information is provided:
"He married between 2 Feb. 1297/8 and 13 Sept. 1300 Hawise, daughter and heiress of Sir Robert de Mucegros, of Stowell, Norton, and Charlton, Somerset, Kemerton and Bodddington, co. Gloucester, Hampstead and Aldworth, Berkshire, by Agnes his wife. She was widow of William de Mortemer, of Bridgwater, Milverton, and Odcombe, Somerset, Crendon, Bucks. .... who d.s.p. shortly before 30 June 1297, but this marriage had not been consummated .... probably in August 1312, John [de Ferrers] died in Gascony, of poison, it is said ... His widow [Hawise] married Sir John de Bures ... She, who was born 21 Dec. 1276, was living 24 June 1340, but died before him. He [John de Bures] died at Boddington, 21 or 22 Dec. 1350." END OF QUOTE.
On page 310, footnote a, the editor provides the following source for the last known date that Hawise de Muscegros was alive:
"Close Roll, 14 Edw. III., p. 1, m. 9 d. In an Inq. p. m. (Ch., Edw. III, file 87), taken 17 Nov. 1347, she is alluded to as living, but such statements are often incorrect." END OF QUOTE.
So we are told that Hawise de Muscegros was living 24 June 1340, and that she might have been living 17 Nov. 1347.
Recently I located a Common Pleas lawsuit dated Easter 1348, which proves that Hawise de Muscegros was living as late as that date. An abstract of the lawsuit is provided below.
In Easter term 1348 John de Bures and his wife, Hawise, sued _____ Fowyere, of Bicknor, Gloucestershire regarding one messuage and two acres of land in Bicknor, Gloucestershire. Reference: Court of Common Pleas, CP40/354, image 954, available at the following weblink: http://aalt.law.uh.edu/E3/CP40no354/aCP40no354frNo1to200/IMG_0954.htm).
The above lawsuit concerns land at [English] Bicknor, Gloucestershire, which property was part of Hawise de Muscegros' own inheritance. For further particulars on this property, please see VCH Gloucester (1996): 106–107, which may be viewed at the following weblink:
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/glos/vol5/pp101-117
Modern historians think that Hawise de Muscegros is perhaps buried in the church of English Bicknor, Gloucestershire. See Verey and Brooks, Gloucestershire 2: The Vale and the Forest of Dean (1970): 359, available at the following weblink:
https://books.google.com/books?id=m9W2XH11-9EC&pg=PA359
In summary, the above Common Pleas lawsuit shows that Hawise de Muscegros was living as late as Easter term 1348. She may possibly be buried in the church of English Bicknor, Gloucestershire.
For interest's sake, the following is a list of the 17th Century New World immigrants that descend from Hawise de Muscegros and her 1st husband, Sir John de Ferrers:
Robert Abell, Dannett Abney, William Bladen, George & Nehemiah Blakiston, Thomas Booth, Elizabeth Bosvile, George, Giles & Robert Brent, Edward Carleton, Kenelm Cheseldine, Grace Chetwode, Henry Corbin, Elizabeth & Thomas Coytemore, Frances, Jane, & Katherine Deighton, Margaret Domville, Rowland Ellis, John Fenwick, Edward Foliot, Thomas Gerard, Muriel Gurdon, Daniel & John Humphrey, Mary Launce, Thomas Ligon, Oliver Manwaring, Anne, Elizabeth & John Mansfield, Anne & Katherine Marbury, Anne Mauleverer, John and Margaret Nelson, Philip & Thomas Nelson, Elizabeth, Joshua, & Rebecca Owen, Thomas Owsley, George Reade, Thomas Rudyard, Richard Saltonstall, Mary Wolseley, Amy Wyllys.
The following is a list of the 17th Century immigrants that descend from Hawise de Muscegros and her 2nd husband, Sir John de Bures:
Robert Abell, Thomas Booth, Elizabeth Bosvile, George, Giles & Robert Brent, Charles Calvert, Frances, Jane & Katherine Deighton, Edward Foliot, Edmund, Edward, Matthew, & Richard Kempe, Thomas Ligon, Thomas Owsley, Mary Johanna Somerset, Hawte Wyatt, Amy Wyllys.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Douglas Richardson
Aug 5, 2016, 7:58:30 PM8/5/16
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Dear Newsgroup ~
In my previous post, I stated that Complete Peerage 5 (1926): 305–310 (sub Ferrers) indicated that Hawise de Muscegros, Lady Ferrers, had predeceased her third husband, Sir John de Bures. Taken together with the Common Pleas record I found, this means that Hawise de Muscegros died sometime between Easter term 1348 (date of the lawsuit I located) and 21 (or 22) Dec. 1350 (death date of Sir John de Bures).
Evidence that Hawise de Muscegros predeceased Sir John Bures as stated by Complete Peerage may be found in in a record dated 1351 in Calendar of Fine Rolls, 6 (1921): 292, which record reads as follows:
Date: 26 March 1351. Commitment to John son and heir of Robert de Ferrariis, at the request of Ralph, earl of Stafford, of the wardship of the manors of Hampsted Cifrewast, with the hamlet of Aldeworth, co. Berks, Norton, with the hundred of Norton, and Cherleton Mussegros, co. Somerset, and Teynton, Kilcote and Bikenore, co. Gloucester, late of Hawise de Ferrariis, who held in chief, which were taken into the king's hands after the death of John de Bures, (who held them for life by the courtesy of England after the death of the said Hawise, his wife), and by reason of the minority of the said heir, to hold, with the issues since the death of John de Bures, until his lawful age, rendering yearly at the Exchequer as shall be agreed on by him and the treasurer." END OF QUOTE.
In my previous post, I stated that Complete Peerage 5 (1926): 305–310 (sub Ferrers) indicated that Hawise de Muscegros, Lady Ferrers, had predeceased her third husband, Sir John de Bures. Taken together with the Common Pleas record I found, this means that Hawise de Muscegros died sometime between Easter term 1348 (date of the lawsuit I located) and 21 (or 22) Dec. 1350 (death date of Sir John de Bures).
Evidence that Hawise de Muscegros predeceased Sir John Bures as stated by Complete Peerage may be found in in a record dated 1351 in Calendar of Fine Rolls, 6 (1921): 292, which record reads as follows:
Date: 26 March 1351. Commitment to John son and heir of Robert de Ferrariis, at the request of Ralph, earl of Stafford, of the wardship of the manors of Hampsted Cifrewast, with the hamlet of Aldeworth, co. Berks, Norton, with the hundred of Norton, and Cherleton Mussegros, co. Somerset, and Teynton, Kilcote and Bikenore, co. Gloucester, late of Hawise de Ferrariis, who held in chief, which were taken into the king's hands after the death of John de Bures, (who held them for life by the courtesy of England after the death of the said Hawise, his wife), and by reason of the minority of the said heir, to hold, with the issues since the death of John de Bures, until his lawful age, rendering yearly at the Exchequer as shall be agreed on by him and the treasurer." END OF QUOTE.
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