Re: Linajes Nobiliarios de León y Castilla, siglos IX-XIII
John P. Ravilious
The odds of this marriage record (that of the daughter Teresa and
Fernando II de Leon) being valid is not good.
Fernando II (king of Leon 1157-1188) was married in 1165 to Urraca
of Portugal, dau. of Afonso Enriquez of Portugal (1st King of Portugal,
d. 1185) by his wife Mahaut of Savoy. Afonso was the son of Count
Henry (d. 1112) by Teresa de Leon y Castillo, whom you show correctly
as the illegitimate daughter of Alfonso VI de Leon.
Fernando and Urraca were separated in 1175, after his marriage to
Urraca being contested due to consanguinity as they were related in the
3rd degree by common descent from Alfonso VI [Callaghan, Latin
Chronicle of the Kings of Castile, 10:20]. Teresa Fernandez de Traba,
if her parentage is given correct in the work you cite, would have been
related in the 2nd and 3rd degrees; worse yet, she would have been the
aunt of Fernando II's first wife Urraca (the one with the consanguinity
problem). Such a marriage seems virtually impossible to imagine, ca.
1175-1188.
I do show a 2nd marriage of Fernando II to one Urraca Lopez de
Haro, but no trace of a Teresa.
Cheers,
John
Rashid Amora wrote:
> Linajes Nobiliarios de León y Castilla, siglos IX-XIII by Margarita Torres Sevilla-Quiñones de León. How reliable is this work? In this book Teresa de Castilla Y Leon, bastarddaughter of Alfonso VI, widow of Henri of Burgundy, makes a second marriage with Fernando Perez de Traba (died 1155). The daughter of this marriage is Teresa Fernandez de Traba. Since Teresa was born about 1080, her daughter could be born at latest in about 1125. This daughter was married to Fernando II de Leon (born ca 1137, died 1188) an died in childbirth (?) in about 1178, making her about 53 years (?).
Todd A. Farmerie
> Dear Rashid,
>
> The odds of this marriage record (that of the daughter Teresa and
> Fernando II de Leon) being valid is not good.
It is not the marriage that is questionable, it being well attested. It
is Teresa's maternity where the problem lies.
> Fernando II (king of Leon 1157-1188) was married in 1165 to Urraca
> of Portugal, dau. of Afonso Enriquez of Portugal (1st King of Portugal,
> d. 1185) by his wife Mahaut of Savoy. Afonso was the son of Count
> Henry (d. 1112) by Teresa de Leon y Castillo, whom you show correctly
> as the illegitimate daughter of Alfonso VI de Leon.
>
> Fernando and Urraca were separated in 1175, after his marriage to
> Urraca being contested due to consanguinity as they were related in the
> 3rd degree by common descent from Alfonso VI [Callaghan, Latin
> Chronicle of the Kings of Castile, 10:20]. Teresa Fernandez de Traba,
> if her parentage is given correct in the work you cite, would have been
> related in the 2nd and 3rd degrees; worse yet, she would have been the
> aunt of Fernando II's first wife Urraca (the one with the consanguinity
> problem). Such a marriage seems virtually impossible to imagine, ca.
> 1175-1188.
Spain was always more liberal when it came to tolerating such
connections - Ferdinand's son married his first cousin and first cousin
once removed in immediate succession, divorcing one then marrying the
other, then divorcing her, so it does not follow that having divorced
one kinswoman he would not necessarily marry another. Frequently such
marriages only came to be a problem when the politics indicated a new
marriage was in order, or when the king "did not find her pleasing to
look at" any more.
That being said, de Vajay says of Teresa Fernandez, "daughter of
Fernando Perez de Traba, Count of 'all Galicia,' by Sancha Gonzalez (and
not, as is often alleged, by the Infanta Teresa of Portugal)". At the
time she was a widow of Nuno Perez de Lara, and was Fernando's mistress.
For this he cites a Garcia Alvarez article on the Arias family which
highlights the same chronological impossibility as pointed to by Rashid
- that Queen Teresa Alfonso died in 1130 and her supposed daughter died
in childbirth in 1180.
> I do show a 2nd marriage of Fernando II to one Urraca Lopez de
> Haro, but no trace of a Teresa.
Urraca Lopez was Fernando's third, she being his mistress and widow of
Nuno Melendez.
taf
maria emma escobar
The point about Teresa Alfonso and her daugther Teresa Fernández de Traba is exact. The only point that is not very clear is if Fernando Pérez de Traba and Teresa Alfonso really married or not, but her daughter Teresa Fernández is real and she married, first with Nuño Pérez de Lara, and, as a widow, with Fernando II of León
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Rashid Amora
Thank you for responding to my message.
Is it possible that the Teresa, who was married to Fernando Perez de Traba
(died 1155), was in fact Teresa de Borgonha (daughter of Teresa de Castilla
Y Leon and Enrique de Borgonha)? So in stead of marrying the mother,
Fernando Perez de Traba (died 1155) was rather married to her daughter. let
us suppose that Teresa was born about 1110, married about 1125, begot Teresa
Fernandez de Traba between 1126 and 1155. Teresa Fernandez could then have
died in childbirth in 1178, being about 40 years old (?).
Rashid
"Todd A. Farmerie" <farm...@interfold.com> schreef in bericht
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maria emma escobar
A daughter of Teresa Alfonso and Enrique of Borgoña: Urraca Enríquez married the oldest brother of Fernando Pérez de Trava: Bermudo Pérez.
Then, two brother married: one the mother and other the daughter
Todd A. Farmerie
> No. Who married Fernando Pérez de Traba was Teresa Alfonso, daughter of Alfonso VI, when she was a widow of enrique of Borgoña, and they: Fernando and Teresa Alfonso had a daughter: Teresa Pérez de Traba.
>
Is there contemporary documentary evidence that Teresa Fernandez was
daughter of Teresa Alfonso? I know that traditionally this was thought
to have been the case, but there is the chronology. What led Rashid
(and Ruben Garcia Alvarez before him) to question this was that Teresa F
is said to have died in childbirth 50 years after Teresa A died. This
would be _quite_ unusual.
taf