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Further proof for the RD line of Mrs. Elizabeth (Taylor) Tufton/Mason

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ravinma...@yahoo.com

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Mar 20, 2018, 1:40:43 PM3/20/18
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Gary B. Roberts's forthcoming new royal descents book will include the line given below on the newsgroup (by me in November 2013). I was speculating at the time, but later found strengthening information which I passed along to Gary. The Taylors of Bradley, the birth family of Mrs. Elizabeth Tufton alias Mason, was rather obscure; the strongest statement on them seemed to be contained in the funerary monument of Mrs. Tufton/Mason's nephew, Rev. Reynolds Taylor, who died young in May 1692:

"Neer hereunto lyeth the Body of Mr. Reynolds Taylor who married Rebecca, Daughter of Christopher Turnor ... He was son of Thomas Taylor Esqr., Lord of this manor and Patron of this Church by Fayth his wife, Daughter and sole Heir of John Reynolds of Fenditton ... which Thomas was son of William Taylor of Bradley in the County of South[hamp]ton Esqre. by Barbara, Daughter of Thomas Hanbury of Hanbury in the County of Worcester, which William was son of Thomas Taylor of Bradley Esqre. by Mary Daughter of John Shorbolt of Yardley Place in the County of Hartford Esqr. ..."

https://books.google.com/books?id=6TtOAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA300&dq=%22thomas+taylor%22+elizabeth+hanbury&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjsoP-0tPvZAhUN7lMKHTO1ArYQ6AEINDAC#v=onepage&q=%22thomas%20taylor%22%20elizabeth%20hanbury&f=false

Shorbolt is surely Shotbolt, a prominent Hertfordshire family located near Yardley or Ardeley. [I believe I remember noticing that Le Neve's _Monumenta Anglicana_ reads the name in the Reyolds Taylor inscription as either SHOTBOLT or SHOPBOLT, not SHORBOLT.]

In 2013, I speculated that the Thomas Taylor who married a Shotbolt of Ardley/ Yardley later removed, about 1620-25, to Bradley, Hampshire, upon his remarriage to the widow Hanbury, mother of his son's wife, Barbara Hanbury, wife of William Taylor.

Recently, I located proof that this was indeed so among the docs. on the "Anglo-American Legal Tradition" website.

C78/280, no. 1, 159:

1631, 10 Nov.

--Thomas Taylor of Bradley, Hants v Rt. Hon. Lady Elizabeth Griffen, widow.

--Debts on security of copyhold lands in Yardley and Clothall, Herts. John Shotbolt.

http://www.uh.edu/waalt/index.php/C78_1631

I believe Chauncey's _Hertfordshire_ had stated that one Thomas Taylor sold property at Yardley to Lady Elizabeth Griffen around 1620, but did not actually state that Taylor removed to the fairly distant county of Hampshire. The above seems to prove it, and to place him at Bradley, Hampshire, which was the stated location of origin for Elizabeth Taylor in the 1660 London Visitation account of Robert Tufton alias Mason, her husband.

My original posting (I'm not sure all the links still work):
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Torrey's _New England Marriages_ shows that the immigrant, Robert Tufton _alias_ Mason was married in England before 1659 to a woman named Elizabeth Taylor:

http://books.google.com/books?id=mOgK8dM9qqUC&pg=PA495&dq=%22elizabeth+taylor%22+tufton&hl=en&sa=X&ei=fAN0UqzdMtHlsAS_jICoBA&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22elizabeth%20taylor%22%20tufton&f=false

The source for this statement appears to be the 1664 Visitation of London:

http://books.google.com/books?id=jbI8AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA39&dq=%22william+taylor+of+bradley%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=bw50UtO0BeTfsASshIDgAw&ved=0CDsQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=%22william%20taylor%20of%20bradley%22&f=false

A snippet view from the London Visitation I've pulled up indeed states that "Robert Tufton alias Mason of London" married "Eliz. da. of William Taylor of Bradley co. Southampton, Ar[miger]."

http://books.google.com/books?id=UPpQAQAAIAAJ&q=%22taylor+of+bradley%22&dq=%22taylor+of+bradley%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=BI0SUrKYPIPs2QXjv4C4CQ&ved=0CEkQ6AEwBTgK

It also states that Robert was "grandson to 2[nd] brother of Lord Tufton."

This statement, which would have given Robert a probable royal descent, seems to be clearly disproved by the following argument:

http://books.google.com/books?id=WiUTAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA396&dq=%22tufton+but+it+is+certainly+improbable+that+he+was+a%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ARB0UtftK6m_sQTd8YDQBw&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22tufton%20but%20it%20is%20certainly%20improbable%20that%20he%20was%20a%22&f=false

However, I believe it could be very possible that Elizabeth Taylor, wife of Robert Tufton-Mason, has a descent from the Boteler family which is also a royal descent, in part running thus ...

Philip Boteler = Elizabeth Drury

John Boteler of Watton Woodhall, Hertfordshire = Grizel Roche

Mary Boteler = Thomas Shotbolt of Yardley, Hertfordshire

John Shotbolt = Jane Tony

Mary Shotbolt = Thomas Taylor of Middlesex, Hertfordshire, and Bradley, Hampshire [he married, 2nd, to Elizabeth (Gregg/ Grigg) Hanbury, mother of Barbara, below]

William Taylor = Barbara Hanbury

Elizabeth Taylor = Robert Tufton alias Mason

I can't find much on the Taylor family of Bradley, Hampshire, but have scrapped the possible royal descent together from the sources below, relying most heavily on the M.I. of Elizabeth Taylor's nephew, who died quite young (but recently married) in 1692:

http://books.google.com/books?id=6TtOAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA300&dq=%22thomas+taylor%22+elizabeth+hanbury&hl=en&sa=X&ei=eIsSUpToFoGK2gXAgoCYAQ&ved=0CDgQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=%22thomas%20taylor%22%20elizabeth%20hanbury&f=false

"Shorbolt" is surely an error for the well-known surname Shotbolt, and the Shotbolt pedigree in Chauncy's _Hertfordshire_ easily connects them back to the Boteler family (see p. 123):

http://books.google.com/books?id=AhUHAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA124&dq=%22thomas+taylor%22+shotbolt&hl=en&sa=X&ei=LIoSUsupPKPz2QWn6IF4&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22thomas%20taylor%22%20shotbolt&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=gqwKAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA163&dq=jane+tony+shotbolt&hl=en&sa=X&ei=1RR0UuvzDua2sASJ6oG4BA&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=jane%20tony%20shotbolt&f=false

Additional support comes from the baptism of Robert and Elizabeth (Taylor) Tufton's daughter Blanche Tufton in January 1678 at St. Margaret's, Westminster (for which see IGI batch #P00160-3). [The baptisms of the other Tufton children--John, Robert, and Charles, and Elizabeth--are found in the St. Nicholas Acons, London, parish register:

http://books.google.com/books?id=pF9mAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA32&dq=%22robert+tufton+alias+mason%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=WIcSUsfDGIKr2wWM3IDADw&ved=0CFQQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=tufton&f=false
]

The use of the slightly unusual name Blanch ties into these other records of the maternal grandmother Barbara (Hanbury) Taylor's known sister Blanche Hanbury, wife of Ithiel/ Ethiel Lynch:

http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015025922660;view=1up;seq=174

http://books.google.com/books?id=ECoEAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA67&dq=%22barbara+hanbury%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=xoQSUsbRKoqv2wW9r4GgBw&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22barbara%20hanbury%22&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=Xf8cAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA871&dq=%22tailor+of+bradley%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=pYwSUuv0F4mO2wXEgoHQCg&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22tailor%20of%20bradley%22&f=false

(It therefore seems clear that the marriage of William Taylor and Barbara Hanbury was the marriage of step-siblings.)

Mrs. Mary (Shotbolt) Taylor, first wife of Thomas Taylor, seems to have died in 1622 in Hertfordshire, before her husband removed to Hampshire and remarried to widow Elizabeth Hanbury:

http://books.google.com/books?id=0omY2KpMfKIC&pg=PA279&dq=%22john+shotbolt%22+taylor&hl=en&sa=X&ei=FYsSUpCjCerZ2QXt7YHIBw&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=%22john%20shotbolt%22%20taylor&f=false

ravinma...@yahoo.com

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Mar 21, 2018, 4:34:20 PM3/21/18
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Notice the Tufton/ Mason name in this document abstracted on the TNA website. Also mention of Blanche, granddaughter of Thomas Taylor of Bradley, Hants. This apparently means that Elizabeth (Taylor) Tufton als. Mason had a sister Blanche, as well as an aunt of that name. Unless Blanche (Taylor) Walrond was a first cousin of Elizabeth, I suppose (the intervening generation isn't named).

Catalogue description Capital messuage of manor and farm, Turnerspuddle Farm (field names) and advowson....
This record is held by Dorset History Centre

Reference: D/FRA/T199
Description:

Capital messuage of manor and farm, Turnerspuddle Farm (field names) and advowson. (Finch, Willoughby, Gundry, Leddoze, Rogers, Lewen, Hillier, Hilton, Willis, Jasson, Hildesley, Tulse, Sydenham, Duke, Bingham, Whiteway, Walrond, Coker, Hull, Tufton alias Mason, Clarkson, Woodrow, Whittaker, Williamson, Rolfe, Peirson and Frampton).

With marriage settlement of Humphrey, son and heir of Humphrey Walrond of Ottery St. Mary, Devon, esq., and Blanche, sister of Thos. Taylor, grandson and heir of Thos. Taylor, sen., of Bradley, Hampshire, esq., 1661;

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/c99665c4-5760-4b8f-bb3e-e37997d017c7

This is from Dorset, not exactly close to Bradley, Hampshire, which highlights the problem with this Taylor family (... they jump around all over the map of England, apparently!).

JBrand

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Mar 21, 2018, 10:43:35 PM3/21/18
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AN ACT TO ENABLE MARY TUFTON MASON TO TAKE AN APPEAL FROM A CERTAIN DECREE OF THE COURT OF PROBATE [ROCKINGHAM COUNTY, NEW HAMPSHIRE, 1791] ...

Whereas Mary Tufton Mason of Brigden in the County of Huntington in the Kingdom of Great Britain--Widow, hath represented to the General Court, that as Executrix of the last will and testament of her late husband, John Tufton Mason Esquire, deceased, She hath caused the proper Copy of his Will to be filed in the Register's Office of the said Court of Probate, and that without her knowledge ... etc.

https://books.google.com/books?id=iKkwAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA799&dq=%22tufton+mason%22+hampshire&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjKy7HK8v7ZAhVD6YMKHcPCByw4PBDoAQhAMAQ#v=onepage&q=%22tufton%20mason%22%20hampshire&f=false

ravinma...@yahoo.com

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Mar 23, 2018, 2:03:03 PM3/23/18
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Presumably Blanche (Taylor) Walrond's second husband was Benjamin Gould, gent., of Dorcester, co. Dorset, shown on p. 359 of the below:

https://archive.org/stream/wiltshirenotesqu6119unse#page/n749/mode/2up

I've noticed that Genealogical Publishing Co.'s website has recently taken down all reference to Gary's _Royal Descents of 600 Immigrants_, ... possibly an interesting development.

https://library.genealogical.com/catalogue

ravinma...@yahoo.com

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Apr 2, 2018, 11:37:43 AM4/2/18
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ravinma...@yahoo.com

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Apr 2, 2018, 1:39:55 PM4/2/18
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They've put up a blurb about the book on Genealogical Publishing Co ...:

https://library.genealogical.com/printpurchase/XLwEm

Johnny Brananas

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Feb 12, 2024, 11:56:42 AMFeb 12
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The marriage of a Thomas Shotbolt with Jone Taylor occurred 1 May 1623 at St. Benet, Paul's Wharf.

https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Publications_of_the_Harleian_Society/rMbWdoBCEZ4C?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22shotbolt+%26+jone%22&pg=PA8&printsec=frontcover

Possibly an instance of siblings marrying siblings ...

Johnny Brananas

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Feb 13, 2024, 10:30:54 AMFeb 13
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On Monday, April 2, 2018 at 1:39:55 PM UTC-4, ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
> They've put up a blurb about the book on Genealogical Publishing Co ...:
>
> https://library.genealogical.com/printpurchase/XLwEm

See also this will:

Reference: PROB 11/442/129
Description: Will of Thomas Shotbolt, now Minister and Rector, Clerk of Bradley, Hampshire
Date: 01 December 1697

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D848485

Leslie Mahler

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Feb 13, 2024, 3:47:53 PMFeb 13
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The will of Thomas Shotbolt was written 29 May 1693. He mentions eldest son named
Batalion, also daughters Mary and Jane. He asked to be buried near late father Philip
Shotbolt of Bradley. Son John was executor.

Leslie



taf

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Feb 13, 2024, 6:33:02 PMFeb 13
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Batalion? He must have had a regimented upbringing.

taf

JBrand

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Feb 14, 2024, 7:20:27 AMFeb 14
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Batalion Shotbolt sort of sounds like an early, primitive firearm ... He is shown near the bottom of the Shotbolt pedigree in Chauncey's Hertfordshire.
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