Robert the Bruce to James IV

[LEA...@aol.com]

Could someone please list an AT for the Stewart line between Robert the Bruce
and James IV of Scotland?

Also a question about Mary Stewart (the famous one -- daughter of James V).
I remember reading in a history of Scotland recently that Mary Stewart had
been pregnant with a second child when she was held captive by the Earl of
Moray (her half-brother). According to the dates involved if this child
would have lived it would have been deemed to have been a full sibling of
James VI - conceived long before her marriage to Bothwell and during the
period of her short reconciliation with Henry, Earl of Darnley. At the time
of her imprisonment she either 1) miscarried 2) gave birth to a premature
baby who died immediately or 3) sent the child quickly out of Scotland to her
relatives in France which was the rumor spread to Elizabeth by one of her
advisors. There was a tale circulating that Mary had a daughter who
eventually became a nun in France. Does anyone have anything else on this
story?

Thanks,
MichaelAnne

[John Carmi Parsons]

Mary, queen of Scots, was indeed pregnant while she was held captive at
Lochleven by agents of the earl of Moray (her jailer there was in fact a
Douglas, Moray's legitimate half-brother--his mother's son by her husband).

While on Lochleven, Mary suffered a miscarriage and, according to the memoirs
of her secretary Claude Nau, who inserted these words very carefully in his
account, she lost "deux enfants." Lady Antonia Fraser's detailed study of
Mary's life *Mary Queen of Scots* [New York: Delacorte Press, 1969, pp. 343-44)
considers the chronology thoroughly and concludes that the twins were
conceived at the end of April 1567 when Mary was with Bothwell at Dunbar. The
pregnancy was known to the English by the middle of June, and the Spanish
ambassador in London mentioned it in a letter to Philip II on June 21. Mary
suffered the miscarriage at some point before 24 July.

Given that the pregnancy was obviously no secret to the world at large, Fraser
dismisses the legend that Mary was able to conceal it and give birth to a
daughter in February 1568. The claim that such a daughter was born did not
first appear in print, according to Fraser, until as late as 1731, and then
only in an editor's preface to the memoirs of Mary's associate M. Castelnau--
not, be it noted, in the memoirs themselves.

John Parsons

[ED MANN]

LEA...@aol.com wrote:
>
> Could someone please list an AT for the Stewart line between Robert the Bruce
> and James IV of Scotland?

Direct Descendants of Robert I de Bruce

1 [2] King of Scots Robert I de Bruce aka: "Robert the Bruce" b: 11
Jul 1274 d: 7 Jun 1329 ref #: W41-5
+Isabel de Mar aka: Matilda de Mar d: Bef. 1302 ref #: (Ä252-30)
2 Marjorie de Bruce b: Bef. 1297 d: 2 Mar 1315/16 ref #: W41-6
+Sir Walter Steward aka: 6th High Steward of Scotland b: 1292 d: 9
Apr 1326 ref #: W15A-6
3 [1] King Robert II of Scotland aka: RobertII, King of Scots b: 2
Mar 1315/16 d: 19 Apr 1390 ref #: W41-7
+Elizabeth Mure d: Bef. 1355 ref #: (Ä252-32)
4 King Robert III Stewart of Scotland aka: John Stewart b: Abt. 1337
d: 4 Apr 1406 ref #: W41-8
+Annabella Drummond d: 1401 ref #: BPci:1712
5 King James I of Scotland b: Dec 1394 d: 21 Feb 1436/37 ref #:
Ä252-34
+Joan Beaufort b: 1407 d: 15 Jul 1445 ref #: F16:10v
6 King James II of Scotland b: 16 Oct 1430 d: 3 Aug 1460 ref #:
W92-11
+Maria von Egmond b: 1432 d: 1 Dec 1463 ref #: (Ä252-35)
7 King James III of Scotland b: 10 Jul 1451 d: 11 Jun 1488 ref #:
W92-12
+Princess Margaret af Danmark b: 23 Jun 1456 d: 14 Jul 1486
8 King James IV of Scotland aka: Duke of Rothesay b: 17 Mar 1472/73
d: 9 Sep 1513 ref #: W92-13

--
FWIW; AFAIK; IMHO; YMMV; yadda, yadda, yadda.

Regards, Ed Mann mailto:edl...@mail2.lcia.com

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