FitzGERALD/FitzWARINE/DeREDVERS

[Richard Borthwick]

At 04:14 PM 30/01/99 -0800, you wrote:
> 5 Baldwin de Redvers b: Aft. 28 Apr 1200 d: 1 Sep 1216 ref #:
>CPiv:316
> +Margaret FitzGerald aka: Margaret FitzWarine d: Bef. 29 Sep 1252
>ref #: CPiv:318
>
>Does anyone know the parents of Margaret FitzGERALD?
>Thanks
>David in Ballarat
>
>
A chart showing the known pedigree of Margaret is given in CP VIII facing
p.48. Also see Sanders p.143 for the descent of the Stogursey fee. Her
mother was Alice dau. of William III (d.1171), of Stogursey, Soms and
sister and heir of William IV. Alice married twice. First to Henry de
Cornhill (d.<1193) and secondly to Warin fitz Gerold (d.1216). Warin's heir
was his dau., Margaret and the latter was coheir with her half-sister Joan
of their mother Alice. Margaret's grandchildren by Baldwin d.s.p. and she
had no children by her second marriage to Fawkes de Beaute. Her half of the
Stogursey fee passed to the crown. Joan's half descended through the
Nevilles of Essex.

[Dcrdcr4]

Although it is not commonly known, it appears that Fawkes de Breaute did indeed
have issue by his wife, Margaret, daughter of Warin Fitz Gerold. In this case,
I really had to dig for my answers. I've gone through many, many sources for
this information. I have proved that Fawkes died abroad in exile and that he
left a will. This will apparently mentions a son. Later in life, Margaret
settled one of her manors on a certain Thomas de Breaute and the VCH of that
county suspects that this was her son. That seems a reasonable supposition to
me. In this instance, the editor of the VCH did not know of Fawkes de
Breaute's will. This Thomas de Breaute subsequently appeared as a witness for
a later Countess of Devonshire and is listed toward the top of the list. As
such, it is my opinion that Thomas is the son of Fawkes mentioned in his will.
I have not traced Thomas de Breaute's history or land holdings. However,
with more digging that could probably be done. He may well have left issue and
have descendants. If anyone knows particulars of this man, please let me know.

Fawkes de Breaute is usually stated in print to be of "mean and base" origin.
That is reported in DNB, for example. He was clearly a native of France. My
research indicates, however, that his mother was a member of an English family
of knightly rank and that she descends from the Mauduits who were the royal
chamberlains of England. So Fawkes was hardly of mean and base origin as
claimed. Inasmuch as Fawkes' sister is ancestress of the later Bonville family
of Devon and Somerset., this information will doubtless be of interest to those
who have the Bonville line in their ancestry.

All for now. Best always! Douglas Richardson

[Benjamin Hertzel]

> > 5 Baldwin de Redvers b: Aft. 28 Apr 1200 d: 1 Sep 1216 ref #:
> > CPiv:316
> > +Margaret FitzGerald aka: Margaret FitzWarine d: Bef. 29 Sep 1252
> > ref #: CPiv:318
> >
> > Does anyone know the parents of Margaret FitzGERALD?
> >

> Her mother was Alice dau. of William III (d.1171), of Stogursey, Soms
> and sister and heir of William IV. Alice married twice. First to Henry
> de Cornhill (d.<1193) and secondly to Warin fitz Gerold (d.1216).
> Warin's heir was his dau., Margaret and the latter was coheir with her
> half-sister Joan of their mother Alice. Margaret's grandchildren by
> Baldwin d.s.p. and she had no children by her second marriage to Fawkes
> de Beaute.

I have two Baldwin de Redvers: One was married to Amice de Clare, and
died ca. 1245; the other was married to Adelise, and was the father of
William, Earl of Devon, who married Maud de Beaumont. I don't know the
connection of these two Baldwins. Is the one who married Margaret (above)
a third Balswin, or did one of my two Baldwins marry twice?

Thank you.

Benjamin

[U...@aol.com]

In a message dated 01/31/1999 8:17:44 AM Pacific Standard Time,
ja...@midas.millcomm.com writes:

>
> I have two Baldwin de Redvers: One was married to Amice de Clare, and
> died ca. 1245; the other was married to Adelise, and was the father of
> William, Earl of Devon, who married Maud de Beaumont. I don't know the
> connection of these two Baldwins. Is the one who married Margaret (above)
> a third Balswin, or did one of my two Baldwins marry twice?
>
> Thank you.
>
> Benjamin
>
>

Descendants of Baldwin de Reviers

1 Baldwin de Reviers b: Aft. 1086 d: 1155
.. +Adelize
2 William de Vernon b: 1155 d: Abt. 9-Sep-1217
.. +Maud de Beaumont d: Aft. 1-May-1204
3 Baldwin de Reviers b: Aft. 28-Apr-1200 d: 1-Sep-1216
.. +Margaret fitz Warin d: Bef. 29-Sep-1252
4 Baldwin de Reviers b: Abt. 1216 d: 15-Feb-1244/45
.. +Amicia de Clare b: 1220 d: 1283
3 Mary de Vernon
.. +Robert de Courtenay b: Abt. 1183 of Oakhampton, DEV, ENG d: 26-Jul-1242
4 John de Courtenay b: Abt. 1218 of Oakhampton, DEV, ENG d: 3-May-1274
.. +Isabel de Vere b: Abt. 1222 d: Aft. 1298

Dave