C.P. Addition: Margaret de Haudlo, wife of Gilbert de Chasteleyn, Knt. and John Appleby, Esq.

[Douglas Richardson]

Dear Newsgroup ~

Complete Peerage 6 (1926): 401 (sub Haudlo) has brief account of Sir Edmund de Haudlo, who died without issue in 1355. Regarding his two sisters and coheirs, the following information is provided:

"His coheirs were his two sisters: (1) Margaret, who proved her age 6 April 1358, being then the wife of Gilbert de Chastelleyn. She married, 2ndly, before 20 May 1366, John de Appleby, and is stated to have died about 1394. (2) Elizabeth, who proved her age 13 April 1358, being then the wife of Sir Edmund de la Pole. In her issue she became sole heir to her brother. By Sir Edmund de la Pole she was mother of Elizabeth (died in or before August 1419), wife of Sir Ingram Bruyn, and Katherine, wife of Robert James, son of John James." END OF QUOTE.

As seen above, Complete Peerage states that Margaret de Haudlo married (1st) before 6 April 1358 Gilbert de Chastelleyn. My research, howevver, indicates that this couple were actually married before Michaelmas term 1351, as indicated by a Common Pleas lawsuit:

In Michaelmas term 1351 Gilbert Chasteleyn and his wife, Margaret, gave one mark for license of concord with John son of John de Petyto regarding a tenement in Loxley, Warwickshire.

Reference: Court of Common Pleas, CP40/367, image 3485f (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/E3/CP40no367/aCP40no367fronts/IMG_3485.htm).

In footnote h on page 401, Complete Peerage further states that Margaret de Haudlo's second husband, John de Appleby, "is stated to have died without issue before 1372." No source is given for this statement which is wrong on both points. John de Appleby actually died shortly before 22 October 1389, leaving surviving issue by Margaret de Haudlo.

In the main body of the text on page 401, it is likewise stated without documentation that Margaret de Haudlo's sister, Elizabeth de Haudlo, ... "in her issue she became sole heir to her brother [Edmund de Haudlo]." This implies of course that Margaret de Haudlo left no surviving issue. Again no source is given for this statement which in any case is wrong.

Had the author of the Complete Peerage done his or her research, they should have consulted the published Visitation of Oxford 1566, 1574, 1634 & 1574 (H.S.P. 5) (1871): 202 which correctly indicates that Margaret de Haudlo and her husband, John de Appleby, had one surviving daughter, Joan de Appleby, who married Roger de Coghull, and that Joan de Appleby's issue continued into modern times. Just why the visitation, which has been long in print, was ignored in favor of the other erroneous information is not clear.

Complete Peerage states that Margaret de Haudlo married (2nd) John de Appleby before 20 May 1366. Margaret and John were married actually before
12 Jan. 1365, on which date the king granted John an annuity of 20 marks for the damage done to Appulby’s land by the royal deer in Bernwood forest in Buckinghamshire. Reference: Cal. of Patent Rolls, 1364–1367 (1912): 60; Evans, Lordship & Learning (2004): 172. Appleby's interest in Bernwood Forest was held in right of his wife, Margaret.

For interest's sake, I've copied below my current file account of Margaret de Haudlo, wife successively of Gilbert Chasteleyn, Knt., and John de Appleby, and also of her daughter, Joan de Appleby, wife of Roger de Coghull. As far as I can tell, both of Joan de Appleby's two daughters have modern descendants. I also believe that there is one 17th Century New World immigrant who descends from Joan de Appleby, namely Thomas Rudyard.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

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I. MARGARET DE HAUDLO, elder daughter, born 5 Sept. 1334 (aged 21 in 1355). She married (1st) before Michaelmas term 1351 (date of lawsuit) (as his 2nd wife) GILBERT CHASTELEYN (or CHASTELLEYN), Knt., of Kingham and Little Haseley, Oxfordshire, Slaughter, Gloucestershire, etc., Under Sheriff of Warwickshire and Leicestershire, 1351–4, Knight of the Shire for Worcestershire, 1352, 1353, 1355, Steward of Isabel, the King’s daughter, Keeper of Beckford Priory. They had no issue. In 1344 John de Cantelo, of Somerset, owed him a debt of 10 marks. In 1346 he was granted protection, he then going abroad in the retinue of Thomas de Beauchamp, Earl of Warwick. In 1347 Richard de Alcham, of Brackley, Northamptonshire owed him a debt of £80. In 1350 he acquired the manor of Frankley, Worcestershire. The same year he obtained a grant of free warren there. In Michaelmas term 1351 he and his wife, Margaret, gave one mark for license of concord with John son of John de Petyto regarding a tenement in Loxley, Warwickshire. In 1351 Gilbert declared that he had acquired in fee one messuage, lands, and £8 rent in Loxley, Warwickshire of the inheritance of William Trussell and petitioned to be discharged from all demands that might be made on the premises on the ground of Trussell’s having been a minister of the king. In 1351, as “Gilbert Chasteleyn, Knt., of Oxfordshire,” he owed Peter de Greet, of Worcestershire, a debt of 40 marks. In 1353 he complained that John atte Yate, Thomas Stoke, and others took away a bull, six oxen,six cows, and 100 sheep at Slaughter, Gloucestershire and took his servant and detained him in prison. In 1354 he and his wife, Margaret, granted John de Beauchamp, Knt., of Warwick, two carucates of land in Northfield and Frankley and a water mill in Northfield, held of the manor of Frankley, Worcestershire. His wife, Margaret, was co-heiress in 1355 to her brother, Edmund de Haudlo, Knt. In 1355 he sued Thomas Hamond, of Faryndon, Gloucestershire regarding a reasonable account of the time he was his bailiff in Slaughter and Charingworth (in Ebrington), Gloucestershire and his receiver of money. In 1357 Aymer de Saint Amand, Knt., Gilbert Chasteleyn, Knt., and Robert de Ildesle, Knt. acknowledged severally that they owed WIlliam de Bohun, Earl of Northampton, a debt of £300. In 1358 Nicholas Burnel, Knt. acknowledged that he owed Gilbert Chasteleyn, Knt. and Edmund de la Pole, Knt. a debt of 1,000 marks; Gilbert and Edmund in turn acknowledged that they owed the said Nicholas a debt of 500 marks. SIR GILBERT CHASTELEYN died at Frankley, Worcestershire before 20 May 1362. His widow, Margaret, married (2nd) before 1365 JOHN DE APPLEBY (or APPULBY), Esq., Yeoman of Isabel, the King’s daughter, King’s esquire, and, in right of his wife, of Hatherop, Gloucestershire, Chadlington, Oxfordshire, etc. They had one daughter, Joan (wife of Roger de Coghull, Esq.). In 1365 the king granted him an annuity of 20 marks for the damage done to Appulby’s land by the royal deer in Bernwood forest in Buckinghamshire. In 1375 he was pardoned for being outlawed in the Husting of London at the suit of Thomas Wiltesshire, Citizen and skinner of London, touching a debt of £4 15s. In 1380 he was granted the manor of Vanne (in Crundale), Kent for life by the king. The following year he was likewise granted the manor of Trentworth (in Crundale), Kent for life. JOHN DE APPLEBY, Esq., died shortly before 22 October 1389. In 1391 Margaret, in her widowhood, quitclaimed to Agnes Prioress of Studley and the convent there all messuages, lands, etc., in Esses (in Bekley), Oxfordshire sometime of John atte Nasche. In Hilary term 1391 she sued John Adam, chaplain, and others in the Court of Common Pleas regarding the manor of Chadlington Wahull, Oxfordshire, which she claimed as her right and inheritance. In 1391 she sold the manor of Chadlington Wahull, Oxfordshire to Thomas Barentyne for £200. Margaret is said to have died about 1394.

References:

Kimber & Johnson, Baronetage of England 2 (1771): 290 (sub Osbaldeston). Hasted, Hist. & Top. Survey of Kent 2 (1797): 184–203. Fosbrooke Abstracts of Recs. & MSS respecting the County of Gloucester 2 (1807): 451. Kennett, Parochial Antiqs. of Ambrosden, Burcester 2 (1818): 114, 135, 144–146, 177 (author states in error that John de Appulby and Margaret his wife died without issue). Coll. Top. et Gen. 4 (1837): 367–369 (sub Burnell-Handlo) (author states “Margaret [de Haudlo] had no issue by Chastelyn; but she had another husband named John de Appulby, ... by whom she had Joan her only child, wife of John Conghull, and their only daughter and heir married to Sir John Osbaldeston of Chadlington, from which union proceeded the family of Osbaldeston of Chadlington.”). Banks, Baronies in Fee 1 (1844): 243 (sub Handlo). Guide to the Arch. Antiqs. in the Neighborhood of Oxford Pt. 3 (1845): 198–199, 216. Lipscomb, Hist. & Antiqs. of Buckingham 1 (1847): 54–66. Burke, Gen. Hist. of the Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited & Extinct Peerages (1866): 260 (sub Handlo). Harvey et al., Vis. of Oxford 1566, 1574, 1634 & 1574 (H.S.P. 5) (1871): 202 (“John Apleby. = Margarett da. & heire [of Sir Richard Handlo, Knt.]”). Colls. Hist. Staffs. 11 (1890): 188. Jeayes, Desc. Cat. of the Charters & Muniments of the Lyttelton Fam. (1893): 42. C.P.R. 1377–1381 (1895): 212, 527, 614. C.P.R. 1381–1385 (1897): 565. Williams, Parl. Hist. of Worcester (1897): 16–17. Green, Feet of Fines for Somerset 2 (Somerset Rec. Soc. 12) (1898): 191. List of Sheriffs for England & Wales (PRO Lists and Indexes 9) (1898): 145. Wrottesley, Crécy & Calais (1898): 91, 117. C.P.R. 1388–1392 (1902): 122–123. Wrottesley, Peds. from the Plea Rolls (1905): 95. Feudal Aids 4 (1906): 176, 184. C.P.R. 1350–1354 (1907): 513. C.C.R. 1354–1360 (1908): 312, 494. C.C.R. 1360–1364 (1909): 334. C.P.R. 1358–1361 (1911): 302. VCH Lancaster 6 (1911): 319–325. C.P.R. 1364–1367 (1912): 60, 276–277. VCH Worcester 3 (1913): 120–123. C.Ch.R. 5 (1916): 120. C.P.R. 1374–1377 (1916): 100, 176. C.C.R. 1389–1392 (1922): 510. C.F.R. 7 (1923): 20, 60–61, 66. C.P. 6 (1926): 401 (sub Haudlo) (author states in error that the issue of Margaret de Haudlo failed). VCH Buckingham 4 (1927): 9–14. Salter, Boarstall Cartulary (Oxford Hist. Soc. 88) (1930): 119–120. Cal. IPM 11 (1935): 66–86. Stokes et al., Warwickshire Feet of Fines 3 (Dugdale Soc. 18) (1943): 18, 20. VCH Warwick 3 (1945): 129–134. VCH Oxford 5 (1957): 249–258. Broad & Hoyle, Bernwood: The Life & Afterlife of a Forest (1997): 6. Medieval Prosopography 24 (2003): 256–257. Evans, Lordship & Learning (2004): 172. Birmingham City Archives: Lyttleton of Hagley Hall, MS 3279/351195; MS 3279/351196; MS 3279/351205 (available at http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk). Court of Common Pleas, CP40/367, image 3485f (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/E3/CP40no367/aCP40no367fronts/IMG_3485.htm). Court of Common Pleas, CP40/381, image 8527f (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/E3/CP40no381/aCP40no381fronts/IMG_8527.htm). Court of Common Pleas, CP40/520, image 861 (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT6/R2/CP40no520/520_0861.htm). National Archives, C 241/119/94; C 241/126/89; C 241/138/137; E 156/28/27 (available at http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk). National Archives, CP 25/1/191/24, #11 [see abstract of fine at http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/index.html].

Child of Margaret de Haudlo, by John de Appleby, Esq.:

a. JOAN DE APPLEBY, married ROGER DE COGHULL, of Cogshall, Cheshire, Keeper of Flint Castle, 1383, Sheriff of Flintshire, 1386–90, Raglot of Englefield, 1387. They had two daughters, Joan (wife of John Massie (or Massey), Knt.) and Jane (wife of John de Osbaldeston, Knt.). In 1377 he was granted an annuity of £10 for life by Edward, Prince of Wales. In 1381 he appointed Randal de Scolehall, clerk, his attorney in the county of Chester during his absence. ROGER DE COGHULL died shortly before 19 July 1390 (date of writ of diem clausit extremum). At the time of his death, he owed the king a debt of £154 9s. 9d. On 25 August 1390 Roger de Hoofield and Thomas Dod made recognizance to the king for 18 marks 4d., the price of certain goods formerly of Roger de Coghull, late sheriff of Flint; Joan, late wife of the sheriff, testified to the livery to the said Roger and Thomas of all the goods. Hanshall, Hist. of the County Palatine of Chester (1823): 360. Harvey et al., Vis. of Oxford 1566, 1574, 1634 & 1574 (H.S.P. 5) (1871): 202 (“Roger Coghull. = Johanne da. & heire [of John Apleby].”). Annual Rpt. of the Deputy Keeper 36 (1875): 115–116, 243. Taylor, Hist. Notices ... of the Borough & County-town of Flint (1883): 63, 64, 67–68. List of Original Ministers’ Accts. 1 (PRO Lists and Indexes 5) (1894): 116. St. George & St. George, Peds. Made at the Vis. of Cheshire 1613 (Lanc. & Cheshire Rec. Soc. 58) (1909): 172–174 (Massey ped.: “Rogerus de Coughill. = [left blank].”). VCH Lancaster 6 (1911): 249–251, 319–325. National Archives, SC 6/789/8; SC 6/789/9; SC 6/789/10; SC 6/790/1; SC 6/790/2; SC 6/790/3; SC 6/790/4; SC 6/790/5; SC 6/790/6; SC 6/790/7; SC 6/790/8; SC 6/790/9; SC 6/790/10 (available at http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk).

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On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 8:45 PM, Douglas Richardson <royala...@msn.com>
wrote:

> Dear Newsgroup ~

>
> By Sir Edmund de la Pole she was mother of Elizabeth (died in or before
> August 1419), wife of Sir Ingram Bruyn,
>
>

> According to her ipm, she died 14 Dec. 1405.

*ELIZABETH WIDOW OF INGRAM BRUYN, KNIGHT*

*193*

Writ 20 Sept. 1407.

KENT. Inquisition. Deptford 21 Sept

She held in dower of the king in chief by knight service after the death of
Ingram her husband a third part of the manor of Beckenham of the
inheritance of Maurice Bruyn, his son and heir, annual value 40s. She died
on 14 Dec. 1405. Maurice was aged 21 years on 14 Sept. last. William Marny,
knight, has held and taken the profits since her death, title unknown.


*194*

Writ 20 Sept. 1407.

ESSEX. Inquisition. Brentwood 21 Sept

She held in dower of the countess of Hereford by knight service a third
part of the manor of South Ockendon of the inheritance of Maurice Bruyn,
son and heir of Ingram and herself, annual value £13. Date of death, heir
and subsequent tenure as above.


*195*

Writ 20 Sept. 1407.

DORSET. Inquisition. Shaftesbury 22 Sept

She held in dower after the death of Ingram her husband of the king by
knight service a third part of the manor of Ranston of the inheritance of
Maurice Bruyn, their son, annual value 5 marks. Date of death, heir and
subsequent tenure as above.


*196*

Writ 20 Sept. 1407.

HAMPSHIRE. Inquisition. Fordingbridge 22 Sept

She held in dower after the death of Ingram Bruyn, her husband, of the
inheritance of Maurice Bruyn, their son: Godshill, a third part of a close,
20 a. arable, 8 a. meadow, and 100 a. heath, of the king of the manor of
Lyndhurst by the rent of 1 arrowshaft or 1d., annual value 10s.11d.
Fordingbridge, a third part of the manor, of the countess of Kent by knight
service, annual value 110s. William Marny, knight, has held the third parts
of the close etc. and of the manor since her death and taken the profits,
title unknown. She also held for life the manor of Rowner with the advowson
by the grant of John Marcham, parson of Beckenham, to Ingram Bruyn,
Elizabeth herself and his heirs male, with remainder to Maurice Bruyn. It
is held of the king by a rent of 40s., annual value £10, and the advowson
when it occurs 10 marks. Date of death and heir as above. The abbot of
Titchfield has held Rowner since her death and taken the profits, title
unknown.

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