Isabel to Maud???
H. L. Marvin
Have I missed something?
>>My guess is that Henry IV is the first English monarch descending
from William Marshal
William Marshal
Earl of Pembroke
1147-1219
\
Maud Marshal
1193-1248
\
Isabel Bigod
\
Richard FitzJohn <---
\
Maud FitzJohn
\
Isabel de Beauchamp<<
I wouldn't begin to say that my database is perfect, but
I don't find this fellow. I show Isabel to be Maud's mother. Have
I missed a generation somewhere along the line? I have John fitzGeoffrey
as Isabel's husband for the family which includes Maud. Maud does have a
brother Richard fitzJohn, though. Help....
Harriet Marvin
p.s. My documentation is not the best for these generations.
Leo van de Pas
brother (not father). I have double checked with the Complete Peerage Vol
XII/2 pages 369 and 370.
Thanks for the observation.
Leo van de Pas
John Yohalem
--
John Yohalem
ench...@herodotus.com
"Opera depends on the happy fiction that feeling can be sustained over
impossibly long stretches of time." -- Joseph Kerman
It would be very helpful to those of us without a Complete Peerage handy if
someone would list the five daughters of William the Marshal and their
husbands and children. We can pick it up from there. By the Wars of the
Roses, it pretty much includes everybody....
Jean Coeur de Lapin
ED MANN
I have:
Descendants of Isabel de Clare
1 Isabel de Clare d: 1220 ref #: Ä66-27
+Sir William Marshal aka: 1st Earl of Pembroke Named in Magna Charta
b: 1146 d: 14 May 1219 ref #: W145-1
2 Sir William Marshal aka: 2d Earl of Pembroke d: Abt. 15 Apr 1231
ref #: BxP:358
+Alainor Plantagenet b: 1215 d: 13 Apr 1275 ref #: F223:16v
2 Sir Richard Marshal aka: 3d Earl of Pembroke ref #: BxP:358
2 Sir Gilbert Marshal aka: 4th Earl of Pembroke d: Aft. 27 Jun 1241
ref #: BxP:358
+Marjorie of Scotland d: 17 Nov 1244 ref #: BRF:198
2 Sir Walter Marshal aka: 5th Earl of Pembroke d: 1245 ref #:
BxP:358
+Margaret de Quincy ref #: BxP:358
2 Sir Anselme Marshal aka: 6th Earl of Pembroke d: 5 Dec 1245 ref #:
BxP:358
+Maud de Bohun ref #: BxP:57
2 [1] Maud Marshal b: Abt. 1192 d: 27 Mar 1248 ref #: W148-2
+Sir Hugh Bigod aka: 3d Earl of Norfolk Magna Charta Surety d: Feb
1224/25 ref #: W3-2
*2nd Husband of [1] Maud Marshal:
+Sir William de Warenne aka: 5th Earl of Surrey / Named in Magna
Charta b: Abt. 1166 d: 27 May 1240 ref #: W151-1
2 Joan Marshal d: Bef. Nov 1234 ref #: W148-2
+Sir Warin de Munchensi aka: Lord of Swanscomb d: 20 Jul 1255 ref
#: BxP:389
2 [2] Isabel Marshal b: 9 Oct 1200 d: 17 Jan 1239/40 ref #: W145-2
+Sir Gilbert de Clare aka: 5th Earl of Hertford; Magna Charta Surety
b: Abt. 1180 d: 25 Oct 1230 ref #: W28-2
*2nd Husband of [2] Isabel Marshal:
+Sir Richard Plantagenet aka: Earl of Cornwall b: 5 Jan 1208/09 d: 2
Apr 1272 ref #: F223:16ii
2 [3] Sybil Marshal d: Bef. 1238 ref #: W149-2
+Sir Gilbert Basset
*2nd Husband of [3] Sybil Marshal:
+Sir William de Ferrers aka: 5th Earl of Derby b: Abt. 1193 d: 24
Mar 1253/54 ref #: Ä127-30
2 Eva Marshal b: Abt. 1206 d: Bef. 1246 ref #: W146-2
+Sir William de Braiose aka: 6th Baron de Braiose b: 1204 d: 2 May
1230 ref #: Ä177-8
--
FWIW; AFAIK; IMHO; YMMV; yadda, yadda, yadda.
Regards, Ed Mann mailto:edl...@mail2.lcia.com
References:
Ä = Weis, _Ancestral_Roots_, 7th ed.
AACPW = Roberts & Reitwiesner, _American Ancestors and Cousins of
the Princess of Wales_, [page].
AAP = Roberts, _Ancestors_of_American_Presidents_, [page] or
[Pres. # : page].
BP1 = _Burke's_Presidential_Families_, 1st ed. [page].
BPci = _Burke's_Peerage_, 101st ed., [page].
BRF = Weir, _Britain's_Royal_Families_, [page].
BxP = _Burke's_Dormant_&_Extinct_Peerages_, [page].
EC1 = Redlich, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol I, [page].
EC2 = Langston & Buck, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol II,
[page].
EC3 = Buck & Beard, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol II,
[page].
F = Faris, _Plantagenet_Ancestry_, [page:para].
NK1 = Roberts, _Notable_Kin_Volume_One_, [page].
Π= Hardy, _Colonial_Families_of_the_Southern_States_of_America_,
[page].
S = Stuart, _Royalty_for_Commoners_, 2d ed. Caveat emptor.
W = Weis, _Magna_Charta_Sureties,_1215_, 4th ed.
WFT = Broderbund's World Family Tree CD, [vol]:[num] Caveat emptor.
WMC = Wurt's Magna Charta, [vol]:[page]
ED MANN
>
> Thanks!
>
> But what about THEIR kids? Most or all of them had them, yes?
>
> Just the ones with descendants, please.
Descendants of William Marshal
1 Sir William Marshal aka: 1st Earl of Pembroke Named in Magna Charta
b: 1146 d: 14 May 1219 ref #: W145-1
+Isabel de Clare d: 1220 ref #: Ä66-27
2 Sir William Marshal aka: 2d Earl of Pembroke d: Abt. 15 Apr 1231
ref #: BxP:358
+Alainor Plantagenet b: 1215 d: 13 Apr 1275 ref #: F223:16v
2 Sir Richard Marshal aka: 3d Earl of Pembroke ref #: BxP:358
2 Sir Gilbert Marshal aka: 4th Earl of Pembroke d: Aft. 27 Jun 1241
ref #: BxP:358
+Marjorie of Scotland d: 17 Nov 1244 ref #: BRF:198
2 Sir Walter Marshal aka: 5th Earl of Pembroke d: 1245 ref #:
BxP:358
+Margaret de Quincy ref #: BxP:358
2 Sir Anselme Marshal aka: 6th Earl of Pembroke d: 5 Dec 1245 ref #:
BxP:358
+Maud de Bohun ref #: BxP:57
2 [3] Maud Marshal b: Abt. 1192 d: 27 Mar 1248 ref #: W148-2
+Sir Hugh Bigod aka: 3d Earl of Norfolk Magna Charta Surety d: Feb
1224/25 ref #: W3-2
3 Sir Roger Bigod aka: 4th Earl of Norfolk ref #: BxP:53
+Isabella of Scotland ref #: BRF:197
3 [1] Sir Hugh Bigod aka: Chief Justice of England 1257 b: Abt. 1218
d: Bef. 7 May 1266 ref #: W3-3
+Joanna Burnet
*2nd Wife of [1] Hugh Bigod:
+Joan de Stuteville b: Abt. 1220 d: 1276 ref #: (Ä184A-8)
3 Sir Simon le Bigod d: Bef. 1242 ref #: W6-3
+Maud de Felbrigg ref #: (Ä232-29)
3 [2] Isabel Bigod ref #: W4-3
+Gilbert de Lacy d: 1230 ref #: Ä177A-8
*2nd Husband of [2] Isabel Bigod:
+Sir John FitzGeoffrey b: Abt. 1215 d: 23 Nov 1258 ref #: Ä246C-28
*2nd Husband of [3] Maud Marshal:
+Sir William de Warenne aka: 5th Earl of Surrey / Named in Magna
Charta b: Abt. 1166 d: 27 May 1240 ref #: W151-1
3 Sir John de Warenne aka: 7th Earl of Warren & Surrey b: Aft. Jul
1231 d: 27 Sep 1304 ref #: W151-2
+Alix de Lusignan aka: Alfais de Lusignan b: Abt. 1224 d: 9 Feb
1255/56 ref #: Ä153-29
3 Isabel de Warenne d: 1282 ref #: BxP:569
+Sir Hugh de Albini aka: 5th Earl of Arundel d: 1243 ref #: BxP:3
2 Joan Marshal d: Bef. Nov 1234 ref #: W148-2
+Sir Warin de Munchensi aka: Lord of Swanscomb d: 20 Jul 1255 ref
#: BxP:389
3 William de Munchensi d: 1289 ref #: BxP:389
3 Joan de Munchensi d: Bef. 30 Sep 1307 ref #: W148-3
+Sir William de Valence aka: Guillaume de Lusignan Valence b: Aft.
1225 d: Bef. 18 May 1296 ref #: Ä154-29
2 [5] Isabel Marshal b: 9 Oct 1200 d: 17 Jan 1239/40 ref #: W145-2
+Sir Gilbert de Clare aka: 5th Earl of Hertford; Magna Charta Surety
b: Abt. 1180 d: 25 Oct 1230 ref #: W28-2
3 [4] Sir Richard de Clare aka: 6th Earl of Hertford b: 4 Aug 1222 d:
15 Jul 1262 ref #: W28-3
+Margaret de Burgh aka: Megotta de Burgh b: Abt. 1222 d: 1237 ref #:
BRF:197
*2nd Wife of [4] Richard de Clare:
+Maud de Lacy b: Abt. 1223 d: Bef. 10 Mar 1288/89 ref #: W107-4
3 Isabel de Clare b: 2 Nov 1226 d: Aft. 10 Jul 1264 ref #: W41-3
+Sir Robert de Bruce aka: Lord of Annandale b: 1210 d: Bef. 3 May
1294 ref #: Ä252-28
3 Amicia de Clare ref #: CPiv:319
+Sir Baldwin de Redvers aka: 7th Earl of Devon d: 1245 ref #:
CPiv:319
*2nd Husband of [5] Isabel Marshal:
+Sir Richard Plantagenet aka: Earl of Cornwall b: 5 Jan 1208/09 d: 2
Apr 1272 ref #: F223:16ii
3 Henry Plantagenet b: 1235 ref #: BxP:430
2 [6] Sybil Marshal d: Bef. 1238 ref #: W149-2
+Sir Gilbert Basset
*2nd Husband of [6] Sybil Marshal:
+Sir William de Ferrers aka: 5th Earl of Derby b: Abt. 1193 d: 24
Mar 1253/54 ref #: Ä127-30
3 Isabel de Ferrers d: Bef. 27 Nov 1260 ref #: W149A-3
+Sir Reynold de Mohun b: Abt. 1206 d: 20 Jan 1257/58 ref #: Ä143-28
3 Sybil de Ferrers d: Aft. 4 Oct 1273 ref #: W149B-3
+Sir Francis de Bohun d: 14 Sep 1273 ref #: (W149B-3)
3 [7] Maud de Ferrers aka: Matilda de Ferrers b: Abt. 1230 d: 12 Mar
1298/99 ref #: W149-3
+Simon IV de Kyme d: Bef. 30 Jul 1248 ref #: (Ä261-31)
*2nd Husband of [7] Maud de Ferrers:
+William Fort de Viviona d: Bef. 22 May 1259 ref #: W59A-3
*3rd Husband of [7] Maud de Ferrers:
+Sir Emery de Rochechouart aka: Aimery de Rochechouart ref #:
(Ä261-31)
3 Alainore de Ferrers
+William de Vaux aka: William de Vallibus ref #: BPci:2203
3 [8] Joane de Ferrers d: Bef. Nov 1267 ref #: (Ä257-30)
+John de Mohun d: Bef. 1254 ref #: (Ä257-30)
*2nd Husband of [8] Joane de Ferrers:
+Robert Aguillon aka: William Aguillon b: Aft. 1211 d: 15 Feb
1285/86 ref #: Ä257-30
2 Eva Marshal b: Abt. 1206 d: Bef. 1246 ref #: W146-2
+Sir William de Braiose aka: 6th Baron de Braiose b: 1204 d: 2 May
1230 ref #: Ä177-8
3 [9] Isabel de Braiose ref #: BxP:72
+David ap Llewellyn d: 1246 ref #: BxP:72
*2nd Husband of [9] Isabel de Braiose:
+Peter FitzHerbert ref #: BxP:72
3 Maud de Braiose b: Abt. 1226 d: Bef. 23 Mar 1300/01 ref #: W147-3
+Sir Roger de Mortimer aka: 6th Baron Mortimer of Wigmore b: Abt.
1231 d: Bef. 30 Oct 1282 ref #: Ä27-29
3 Eve de Braiose d: Bef. 28 Jul 1255 ref #: W146-3
+Sir William de Cantilupe aka: Lord Abergavenny d: 25 Sep 1254 ref
#: (Ä253-29)
3 Eleanor de Braiose ref #: Ä68-29
+Sir Humphrey de Bohun VI d: 27 Oct 1265 ref #: W18-3