KATUN of Bulgaria (and ARMENIA)
l.akershoek
ahnentafel:
1 Katun van Bulgaria alias Anastasia, died on October 6, 1014.
She was married to Vaszoly van Hungary, died 1037, son of
Mihaly(Michael) of Hungary and Adelajda of Poland.
(He was married afterwards to Agatha Chryselia, daughter of Ionnes
Chryselios.))
2 Samuel Kometopulos of Bulgaria, died in the year 1014.
(I also have seen that he was a son of Sisman?)
3. NN. (Does anyone know his wife's name and her ancestors?)
4 Ivan Nikola of Bulgaria
5 Ripsimija van Armenia. From this marriage:
- Samuel Kometopulos van Bulgaria, see 2.
- Aaron Amitopulos van Bulgaria.
10 Ashot II of Armenia.
20 Ashot I van Armenia.
I am looking forward to receiving info on my (still unknown) ancestors.
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Leo Akershoek
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Count Nicolas Kumet d971 was Governor of West Bulgaria under
Byzantium. Scholars dispute what was the origin of the family:
Macedonian, Armenian or Bulgarian. He married Ripsimija ?. I can't
find any family connections for her - what is your source for her
being a daughter of Ashot ll of Armenia? Would love to be able to
connect them up.
Count Nicolas and his four sons (all called after Old Testament
heroes Aaron, Moses, Samuel and David) rebelled against Byzantium,
took over West Bulgaria and expanded from there.
Samuel was crowned Tsar in 997 according to Byzantine and Arabic
sources and d1014. He married c970 Agatha Chryselia daughter of John
Chryselios a noble in Durazzo. Your comment that she married Vazul
of Hungary would fit with dates. Samuel probably had a first wife -
unknown. I could not find any source who mentioned Katun
(Anastasia), only daughters cited with are Marija, Miroslava and
Kosara.
In my Hungarian tables I have Vazul d 1037 married c1010 to Katun
(Anastasia) from Bulgaria? with no parentage given. It would be odd
if Vazul married first the daughter and then the mother. Perhaps
someone who has access to ES Schwennicke could check if Bulgaria is
covered. My ES is Isenburg/Lorinhoven who do not cover this period
in Bulgaria.
Please let me know what you find out
Sally Laine
omega
> Count Nicolas Kumet d971 was Governor of West Bulgaria under
> Byzantium.
Kumet ---> of Cuman (he was a "Cumanian".
I do not think he was a "Count".
Agatha Chryselios married Vasul (Vaszoly) ARPAD of Hungary.
> I could not find any source who mentioned Katun (Anastasia),
>only daughters cited with are Marija, Miroslava and Kosara.
Katun (I think the correct word is "Khatum" is the equivalent of
"Kera" or "Lady".
I am not 100% sure, but "Khatum" is the wife of a "Khan" again
I am not 100% sure but it is "the favorite" wife of a "Khan".
Anastasia, Princess of Bulgaria (was a Bulgarian Princess, Parents Unknown
to me).
Vasul had two sons with Anastasia: Andrew I and Bela I.
With Agatha (his first wife) he had no children (to my knowledge).
Dr. George Tsambourakis
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DavidBotts
Encyclopaedia Britannica, Volume 11 (1971), Page 860 says Bela and Andreas had
another brother (NN) brought with them from Poland - "The Hungerians brought
back from Poland three brothers."
Dave
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Date: 9/25/00 3:07:50 AM EST
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Håvard Moe
<om...@thoroughbreds.com.au> wrote:
>Agatha Chryselios married Vasul (Vaszoly) ARPAD of Hungary.
and
>Anastasia, Princess of Bulgaria (was a Bulgarian Princess, Parents Unknown
>to me).
>Vasul had two sons with Anastasia: Andrew I and Bela I.
>With Agatha (his first wife) he had no children (to my knowledge).
Are you sure Agatha was his first wife? It doesn't make sense
chronologically:
abt.970: Agatha marries Samuel
in 1014: Samuel dies
aft.1014: Agatha marries Vasul
then: Anastasia marries Vasul
I have Levente, Andreas and Bela born abt. 1012, 1014 and 1016. This
means that if they were by Anastasia Agatha must have been his second
wife since she could not have married him before after 1014.
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Håvard Moe
Håvard Moe
Theroff show the brothers Levente, Andreas and Bela.
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Håvard Moe
Håvard Moe
>Hi Leo,
>
>Count Nicolas Kumet d971 was Governor of West Bulgaria under
>Byzantium. Scholars dispute what was the origin of the family:
>Macedonian, Armenian or Bulgarian. He married Ripsimija ?. I can't
>find any family connections for her - what is your source for her
>being a daughter of Ashot ll of Armenia? Would love to be able to
>connect them up.
I have seen references to "Slownik Starozytnosci Slowian" where
Ripsimia are said to be a daughter of Symeon, tsar of Bulgaria.
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Håvard Moe
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Håvard Moe
Thank you Havard, That would explain a note I have that there may be a
relationship to the previous dynasty. Ref: Fine again "Early
Medieval Balkans: A Critical Survey from the Sixth to the Late
Twelth Century"