House of FitzAlan
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FLAAD, hereditary seneschal of the a'bishop of Dol
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ALAN (-soon aft 1114); Breton; Seneschal of Dol & in
1138-55 sheriff of Salop; Held Oswestry until taken by
Welsh; m Aveline d&ch of ARNULF I (-c1122) de Hesdin by
Emmelina. Aveline succeeded her br ARNULF II at Keevil,
Wilts and m2 ROBERT fitz WALTER de Caen and of Horsford,
sheriff of Nfk
[some refs state ALAN m d of HUGH fitz WARIN, but this
seems unsupported]
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WILLIAM JORDAN (l WALTER (-1177)
see below 1129/30) ancestor of
seneshcal of the house
Dol & ld of of STUART
Tuxford,
Notts; l
1129/30 m
Maria and left
ALAN, ROBERT
and Oliva
WILLIAM (-1160 bur Shrewsbury abbey) In 1155 regained
Oswestry following death of Maredudd ap Bleddyn; m1
Christiana kinswoman (probably niece) of ROBERT Er of
GLOUCESTER; m2 1155 Isabel (-?1199) d&h of (H)ELIAS
(-<c1160) DE SAY, Ld of Clun, Salop; She m2 GEOFFREY DE
VERE (-1170) Ld of Clun in her right, m3 WILLIAM BOTEREL of
Boscastle, Cornwall (left WILLIAM, a benefactor of
Bradenstoke) son of WILLIAM BOTEREL (-bfr 1159) of the same
by Alice Corbet (-1140x49) aunt of RAINALD Er of CORNWALL;
ELIAS was br and suc of HENRY (-1140) de SAY of Clun and s
of ROBERT PICOT of Clun
m¦1 m¦2
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Christiana m WILLIAM ALAN
HUGH PANTULF see below
(-1224) of
Wem
WILLIAM (c1154-1210); s&h; In custody of the king during
minority; m ____ (1172x80-) d of HUGH de LACY (-1186) Ld of
Ludlow, Er of Meath by his m1 Roesia d of BADERON of
Monmouth (-c1173) by (m<1138) Roesia de Clare d of GILBERT
fitz Richard de Clare by Adelicia de Clermont
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WILLIAM JOHN
see below see below
WILLIAM (1198-Apr 1215) In Aug 1212 in custody of ROBERT de
VIPONT but in Jul 1214 THOMAS de ERINGTON bought custody of
estates and Wm's marriage; m Mary d of THOMAS de ERINGTON ?by
Roesia; (Mary m2 by 1220 WILLIAM DE DUSTON ?(c1200-<1231)
and by him left d&h Roesia m Sir JOHN D'OYLEY)
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WILLIAM (-c1216 sp)
JOHN (-1240); brother; Ld of Clun and Oswaltre; Held
Arundel Castle and Bilsington court lodge, Kent in right of
his wife; m1 Isabel 2sis (with 1. Maud 1d m» ROBERT of
Tatshall; 3, Nicole m ROGER DE SOMERY; 4 Cicely m ROGER de
MOHAUT; 5. Colette dunm and vf) and (in her issue) sis&coh
of HUGH (c1215-7 May 1243 sp) Er SUSSEX and 5Er ARUNDEL and
sis of WILLIAM (-1225) 4Er and d of WILLIAM D'AUBIGNY (-Mar
1221 Cainell nr Rome bur Wymondham Priory) Er SUSSEX and
3Er of ARUNDEL by Mabel (-shortly < 20 Sep 1282) 2d of HUGH
LE MESCHIN KEVELIOC Er CHESTER by Bertrade d of SIMON Ct
EVREUX and (in her issue) ch to her br RANULPH BLUNDEVILLE
Er CHESTER; JOHN FITZ ALAN m2 Haws de Blancminster
m¦1
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JOHN (1223-1267 Will Oct 1267) feudal Ld of CLUN and
OSWESTRY; s&h; On 27 Nov 1243 inh Castle and Honour of
Arundel from his mother; m Maud (-27 Nov 1283) d of
THEOBALD LE BOTILLER 2Bn BUTLER (Ir.) by his m2 Rohese d&h
of NICHOLAS DE VERDUN of Alton, co Staffs; She m2 (»
surnamed Verdun) RICHARD D'AMUNDEVILLE (l 1286/7)
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JOHN (14 Sep 1246-18 Mar1271/2 bur Haughmond Abbey, Salop);
only s&h; m (<1233) Isabel (-soon <1 Apr 1292) d of ROGER
DE MORTIMER, of Wigmore, by Maud, d&coh of WILLIAM DE
BRIOUZE, of Brecknock; She m2 <1273 RALPH D'ARDERNE (l Apr
1283); m3 (fined for omitting royal lic) 2 Sep 1285,
Poling, Sussex, ROBERT DE HASTINGS
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RICHARD (3 Feb 1266/7-9 Mar 1301/2 bur Haughmond Abbey,
Salop) 8/1Er of ARUNDEL; feudal Ld of CLUN and OSWESTRY;
only s&h; knt (1189); m <c1282 Alasia (-25 Sep 1292 bur
Todingham Priory or Haughmond Abbey) d of TOMMASO I Mq of
SALUZZO in Piedmont (whose sis Alasia m EDMUND DE LACY Er
LINCOLN) by Luisa d of Giorgio, MARQUIS OF CEVA
Their Issue
EDMUND (1 May 1285 Marlborough Castle-17 Nov 1326 bhd by
queens party without trial at Hereford, bur Hereford but by
1341 moved to Haughmond Abbey, Salop); 9/2Er; s&h; Wardship
gr to JOHN Er SURREY & SUSSEX; knt (22 May 1306); KB
(1307); m 1305 Alice (-1330x23 May 1338 bur Haughmond
Abbey) only d of WILLIAM DE WARENNE (only s&h ap of his
guardian JOHN de Warenne Er Surrey) by Joan d of ROBERT de
VERE Er OXFORD. Left Issue, see below
JOHN (->1376) In Holy Orders; warden of Tickhill chapel,
Yorks; mentioned in his nephews, the Er, will of 1375
RICHARD DE ARUNDEL; Sir; His executrix was his sister
Eleanor; some doubt as to his pedigree
Margaret m» WILLIAM (8 Sep 1298-Dec 1361) de jure Bn
BOTELER of Wem s of WILLIAM LE BOTILER (-1334) 4Bn, of Wem
and Oversley by his m1 (m <1298) Beatrice
Alice/Aline (-1340) In 1334 Lady of Piddle and had right to
app vicar of N Piddle; Doubt to her pedigree; m STEPHEN
(<1305-<12 Dec 1325 bur Chaucombe priory) 3Ld s&h of JOHN
DE SEGRAVE (1256-<4 Oct 1325) 2Ld SEGRAVE by Christiane
(-after him) d of HUGH DE PLESSIS; Left Issue
Eleanor (-Jul/Aug 1328 bur Beverley); Doubt to her
pedigree; m HENRY (1273-Oct 1314 bur Fountains Abbey) 1Bn
PERCEY 2s (heir to his br JOHN) of Sir HENRY PERCY
(c1235-1272) by (m 1268) Eleanor (->1281) d of JOHN DE
WARENNE Er SURREY
BxP also has Maud m PHILIP BURNELL Bn BURNELL but this is
not under BxP under BURNELL nor in CP
Issue of EDMUND (1285-1326)
RICHARD (c1306?-24 Jan 1375/6 Arundel bur Lewes, Will of 5
Dec 1375 requsts bur in Chapter Ho next to his wife, and is
probably the altar tomb, with his wife, now in Chichester
Cathedral); s&h; 10/3Er; aka Copped Hat; m1 (On 4 Dec 1344
annuled on grounds of (supposed) minority and lack of
consent) 9 Feb 1320/1, King's Chapel, Havering-atte-Bower
Isabel (c1312-) d of Sir HUGH le DESPENSER (-1326 Ex) the
yngr Ld LE DESPENSER by Eleanor d&ch of GILBERT de CLARE Er
GLOUCESTER (-ex); m2 5 Feb 1344/5, (later papal
dispensation obtained) at Ditton, Eleanor (-11 Jan 1372
Arundel bur Lewes) (whom he had been living with) d of
HENRY Er LANCASTER by Maud d&h of Sir PATRICK de CHAWICES
or CHAWORTH and wdw of JOHN DE BEAUMONT 2Ld BEAUMONT
(CP states RICHARD was born c1313, probably based on his
claim of annulment, but this is inconsistant with his death
in his 70th year)
Left issue by both wives, see below.
Alice m 1325 JOHN de BOHUN 5Er of HEREFORD and ESSEX (?23
Nov 1306-20 Jan 1335/6 sp) s of HUMPHREY DE BOHUN 4Er by
Elizabeth d of EDWARD I by Eleanor d of FERDINANDO III k of
Castile; JOHN m2 Margaret d of RALPH BASSET Ld BASSET of
Drayton; Papal Dispensation 8 Kal. Mar. 1325 for JOHN de
BOHUN to marry one of the das. of Edmund, Earl of Arundel,
they being related in the 4th degree
Aline/Alaine (-20 Jan 1385/6) m <1339 ROGER (c1327-23 Aug
1382 Kenwick's Wood, Ellesmere) 5Bn STRANGE of KNOCKYN s&h
of ROGER LESTRANGE (-29 July 1329) 4Bn; Their s&h JOHN was
born <1353
[NB in 1338 ROGER's f settled property on him and his wife,
which is inconsistant with ROGER (the son) dob]
Katherine (-bfr 23 May 1376, Will 1375 made at Ewhurst
requests bur at Lewes, pr 1376)) m1 bfr 16 Oct 1347 Sir
HENRY HUSEE (<1303-1 Jul 1349) Ld HUSEE s&h of Sir HENRY
HUSEE (c1265-1331/2) by Isabel (he m1 c1314 Maud); She m2«
Sir ANDREW PEVERELL
Mary (-29 Aug 1363) m JOHN le STRANGE (1332-1361) 4Bn
STRANGE of BLACKMERE » (a. JOHN (c1354-1375 spm) 5Bn m
Isabel ?d of THOMAS BEAUCHAMP Er of WARWICK, b. Ankaret
(c1361-1 Jun 1413) m1 RICHARD TALBOT 4Bn TALBOT
(c1361-1396); m2 (spm, his m2) THOMAS NEVILL Ld FURNIVALLE
(-14 Mar 1406/7))
BxP also has Jane m WARINE GERRARD Ld L'ISLE; this is
perhaps a ref to WARIN DE LISLE 2Bn LISLE s of GERARD, but
CP Vol VIII p 51 does not show a marriage to Jane (WARINE's
m2 was Joan widow Wynnow, This is perhaps Aynowe and later
Aynho, N'hants which Lordship was acquired by Fitz Alan -
see here)
Issue of RICHARD (c1306?-1375/6) by m1 Isabel le DESPENSER
EDMUND (c1327-1377x1383); knt (1352) m<Jul 1349 Sibyl d of
WILLIAM MONTAGU 1Er of SALISBURY by Katherine d of WILLIAM
de GRANDISON 1Bn GRANDISON
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1)Elizabeth (-c1385) m1 Sir LEONARD CAREW; m2 Sir JOHN
MARIET
2)Philippa (-1399) m1 Sir RICHARD SARGEAUX; m2 Sir JOHN
CORNWALL later Bn FANHOPE
3)Katherine (-<12 Feb 1381/2) m DEINCOURT
Issue of RICHARD (c1306?-1375/6) by m2 Eleanor
RICHARD (<1347-21 Sep 1397 bhd Cheapside, bur Augustin
Friars, Bread Str, London, Will 4 Mar 1392/3) 11/4 Er
ARUNDEL and Er SURREY; s&h by m2 probably born before
parents m; m1 (contract 28 Sep 1359, papel disp same mth)
Elizabeth (-3 Apr 1385 bur Lewes) d of WILLIAM BOHUN Er
NORTHAMPTON by Elizabeth d of BARTHOLOMEW BADLESMERE; m2
(dsp; fined 500 M for no lic) 15 Aug 1390 Philippe (21 Nov
xxxx Ludlow-24 Sep 1401 Halnaker, Sussex, bur Boxgrove) d&h of
EDMUND MORTIMER Er of MARCH by Philippe d&h of LIONEL
MORTIMER Dk of CLARENCE; She was wdw of JOHN HASTINGS and
m3 >Apr 1398 THOMAS POYNINGS Ld St JOHN of Basing
Left issue by m1, see below
JOHN D'ARUNDEL (-15 Dec 1379, wrecekd and drowned in Ir
Sea, bur Lewes Priory; Will Nov 26 1379 requests bur in
Lewes Priory) sum to Parl 1377-1379 as Bn ARUNDEL; His
father left him Bermondsey Inn, nr Fish Wharf, London; Of
Lytchett Mautravers, Dorset; Bought Aynowe (now Aynhoe) nr
Banbury, N'hants from Ld Nevill; m 17 Feb 1358/9 Eleanor
(c1345-Jan 1404/5 testate bur Lewes) suo jure Bnss
MAUTRAVERS d&ch (with Joan (1342-sp) m1 Sir JOHN DE KEYNES
of Wilts m2 Sir ROBERT RUS) of JOHN MAUTRAVERS (-1348/9
dvp) by Gwenthlian and g-d of Sir JOHN MAUTRAVERS Ld
MAUTRAVERS (-1364); She m2 1380 REYNOLD COBHAM (-6 Jul
1403) 2Bn COBHAM of Sterborough, Lingfield, Surrey
Left issue, see below
THOMAS ARUNDEL (c1352-19 Feb 1413 bur Canterbury) bp of
Ely; abp of York; abp of Canterbury; chancellor of Eng;
Exiled to Utrecht, but restored on return of king Henry IV
Joan (-7 Apr 1419 bur Walden Abbey) m >9 Sep 1359 (papel
disp) (her br's wife's br) HUMPHREY (25 Mar 1342-16 Jan
1372/3 spm Will 12 Dec 1372 Pleshey pr 15 May 1373 at
Lambeth) 7Er HEREFORD s&h of WILLIAM (-16 Sep 1360) de
BOHUN 1Er NORTHAMPTON by Elizabeth (1d of BARTHOLOMEW de
BADLESMERE and 3sis &ch of 1st & 2nd Ld BADLESMERE and wdw
of Sir EDMUND DE MORTIMER Ld MORTIMER of Wigmore) and hier
of his uncle HUMPHREY (-15 Oct 1361 unm) de BOHUN 6Er
HEREFORD. » (a. Eleanor m1 THOMAS WOODSTOCK s of Ed III, m2
Sir WILLIAM BOURCHIER; b. Mary m HENRY later Hy IV)
Alice (-17 Mar 1415/6) m 1364 THOMAS Er KENT (c1320-25 Apr
1397 bur Bourne, Lincs Will 1397 pr 10 May 1307) s&h of Sir
THOMAS de HOLLAND (-Dec 1360 Normandy, bur Grey Friars,
Satnford, Linc) of Broughton, Bucks; by Joan (-?8 Aug 1385
Wallingford Castle, Berks bur Grey Friars, Stanford, Lincs)
suo jure Cts of Kent d of EDMUND of WOODSTOCK (1301-1329/30
Ex) Er of KENT etc 6s of Ed I
Issue of RICHARD (<1347-1397)
THOMAS (13 Oct 1381-13 Oct 1415 sp, dysentery d&bur
Arundel, Will 10 Oct 1415 his estates and Er WARENNE/SURREY
devolved to his 3 living sis) 2s&h; 12/5Er; m Lambeth, 26
Nov 1405 Beatrice (-23 Oct 1439 sp Bordeaux bur Arundel MI)
?legitimated base d of JOHN I KING OF PORTUGAL by Inez
Perez d of PEDRO ESTERES; She m2 (lic 20 Jan 1432/3) JOHN
HOLAND 2Er HUNTINGDON later Dk of EXETER and Lt of
Aquitaine; It is an error that she m GILBERT 5Ld TALBOT
a)Elizabeth (c1375-8 Jul 1425) m1 <Dec 1378 WILLIAM (-6
Aug 1382 sp k at Winsor in tilting match ?by his father)
knt; s&hap of WILLIAM DE MONTAGU (1328-1397) 2Er SALISBURY
by? Elizabeth (1343-1414/5) 1d (later ch) of JOHN MOHUN Ld
MOHUN of Dunster; m2» (his m2) July 1384 THOMAS (22 Mar
1365/6-22 Sep 1399 plague, Venice) (later Dk NORFOLK) s of
JOHN DE MOWBRAY Ld MOWBRAY by Elizabeth d&h of JOHN DE
SEGRAVE Ld SEGRAVE, and h of his br JOHN (1365-1382/3) de
MOWBRAY Er NOTTINGHAM, he had m1« Elizabeth (c1373-1383) suo
jure Bns Bns Strange of Blackmere; She m3 (»2d) <19 Aug 1401
Sir ROBERT GOUSHILL (-21 Jul 1403 bat of Shrewsbury) of
Hoveringham, Notts; m4 <3 Jul 1414 Sir GERARD USFLETE (Will
pr Feb 1420/1)
b)Joan (1375-14 Nov 1435 a prisoner); Of Merewirth manor
which went to Elizabeth d&sh of their s RICHARD BEAUCHAMP
Er WORCESTER and wife of EDWARD 4s of RALPH NEVILL Er
WESTMORLAND; m WILLIAM (>1344-8 May 1411) KG; Ld
ABERGAVENNY 4s of THOMAS BEAUCHAMP 11Er WARWICK
c)Margaret m Sir ROWLAND LENTHALL of Hampton Court & co
Herford
d)Alice (-?<1415 spl) m JOHN CHERLETON of POWIS 4Bn
CHERLETON (she was mother of bp HENRY BEAUFORT's base d
Joan who m Sir EDWARD STRADLING of St Donat's Cstl, Glmg)
e)Eleanor m c 28 Oct 1371 ROBERT (-1 Aug 1373 vp and sp)
s&h WILLIAM de UFFORD Er SUFFOLK by (his m1 <2 Feb 1362/3)
Joan (2 Feb 1348/9 Bungay, Sfk-<12 Jun 1376) d of EDWARD DE
MONTAGU 1Ld MONTAGU by his m1 Alice d&ch of THOMAS Er
NORFOLK; Joan was sis&ch to her br EDWARD MONTAGU 2Ld;
[CP Vol XIV (for SUFFOLK) and Vol XII/ii p 153 states she
was d of 11/4 Er Arundel by m1 but her date of m looks to
early?]
[eml: Plea Rolls 1417 has ds a)-c) [a) and c) with
spouses], sued THOMAS de CAMOYS knt and JOHN BOHUN knt and
others for castle and village of Reigate the manors of
Dorking and Bechworth, but these properties, at least the
last, ended up in the Maltravers branch of the family]
Issue of JOHN D'ARUNDEL (-15 Dec 1379)
JOHN (30 Nov 1364-14 Aug 1390 testate bur Missenden Abbey,
Bucks); s&h; 2nd Ld ARUNDEL; m (»3s) <1385 Elizabeth (-11
Apr 1408, Will requests bur in Tewkesbury Abbey) d of
EDWARD LE DESPENSER; knt (24 Mar 1335/6 Essendine-11 Nov
1375 Llanblethian, co Glamorgan, bur Tewkesbury) Ld
DESPENCER by (m <2 Aug 1354) Elizabeth (-11 Apr 1408, Will
request bur Tewkesbury Abbey, Glous) d&h of BATHOLOMEW de
BURGHERSH Ld BURGHERSH; Elizabeth m2 WILLIAM ZOUCHE (-13
May 1396 sps) Ld ZOUCHE of Harringworth, Nhants
Left issue, see below
WILLIAM ARUNDEL (-Will 1 Aug 1400 at London request bur in
Rochester Priory) knt; m Agnes (-Will 6 Sep 1401 requests
bur St Andrew's Priory, Rochester)
THOMAS also called EDWARD
HENRY
RICHARD DE ARUNDEL (-3 Jun 1419 Will 8 Jul 1417 requests
bur in Lady Chapel, Rochester Abbey); 2s; knt; of
Wychampton, Dorset and Branton in Wolston; Not in g-f's
Will and br William's Will calls him his carnel br; m Alice
(-30 Aug 1436) wdw of ROGER BURLEY. They left 1. Philippa,
2. Joan (c1407-) ygrd&ch m (»2s) THOMAS WILLOUGHBY (-<1 Jul
1439) knt; of Parham, Sfk 2s of WILLIAM WILLOUGHBY 5Ld
WILLOUGHBY of Eresby by Lucy d of ROGER LE STRANGE 5Ld
STRANGE of Knockyn, Salop; 3. Eleanor; one d was a nun at
Pisa
a.Joan de Arundel (-1 Sep 1404 bur Echingham, Sussex)
eld d; m1 WILLIAM (-23 Sep 1395, sp, bur Seal, Kent); knt;
of Kemsing, Kent 2s of GUY DE BRIEN knt; m2 (»1s+1d) c1401
WILLIAM (-20 Mar 1412/3); knt; of Etchingham, Sussex s of
WILLIAM DE ECHINGHAM knt of Etchingham by Elizabeth
b. Margaret de Arundel (-3 Jul 1438 testate) m (»5s+4d)
(lic 9 Oct 1394) WILLIAM (c1368-1 Sep 1414 Belvoir,
testate, bur Belvoir Priory) of Belvoir; KG; 6Ld ROOS of
Helmesley; PC; Ld Tres of Eng; s of THOMAS DE ROOS (Stoke
Albany, Northants 13 Jan 1336/7-8 Jun 1384 Uffington,
Lincs, testate) knt; 4Ld; by Beatrice (-14 Apr 1415 Will
requests bur in Warter Priory)
Issue of JOHN (1364-1390)
JOHN (1 Aug 1385 Ditton Manor, Stoke Pogis, Bucks-21 Apr
1421 bur Arundel); 13/6Er ARUNDEL; s&h; k/a Ld MAUTRAVERS;
KB (12 Oct 1399); On death of g-m, de jure Ld MAUTRAVERS; m
<1407 Eleanor (-1 Aug 1455 bur Arundel, Will 20 Jul 1455
pr 23 Aug 1455) d of Sir JOHN BERKELEY of Beverstone, Glous
by his m1 Elizabeth d&h of Sir John BETTESHORNE of
Betteshorne, Sopley, Hants; She m2 c1423 Sir RICHARD (-10
Jun 1429 vp) s&h ap of ROBERT POYNINGS Ld POYNINGS; m3 <8
May 1439 WALTER HUNGERFORD (-9 Aug 1449) Ld HUNGERFORD
EDWARD (-bur 2 Nov 1412 Austin Friars, Ldn); Sir; Held
Lordship of Anynho; m« Elizabeth (->1471) d of Sir JOHN
SCARGILL or SKARGELL] (bur White Friers, London) by d of
Sir JOHN WARBURTON of Cheshire]
THOMAS (-c1430 o/seas); knt; 3s; gr Betchworth by his
father; m (»2i) Joan d of HENRY MOYNE (She m2 <1437 JOHN
BURDENS.) Their issue 1. WILLIAM (-<1437 o/seas and 2,
Alianor; m1 (»7s+2d) c1431 THOMAS BROWNE (-Jul 1460 bhd)
knt; Of Kent and in her right of Betchworth Castle, Surrey;
She m2 1461 THOMAS VAUGHAN (1425-1483) of Tretower
Issue of JOHN (1 Aug 1385-21 Apr 1421)
JOHN (14 Feb 1407/8 Lytchett Mautravers, Dorset-12 Jun 1435
Beauvais bur Grey Friars there but moved to Arundel, Will 8
Apr 1430 pr 15 Feb 1435/6) 14/7Er ARUNDEL; aka MAULTRAVERS;
s&h; KB (19 May 1426); KG (22 Apr 1432); m1 (? contracted
as a minor) Constance (->1429 sp) d of JOHN CORNWALL Ld
FANHOPE by Elizabeth d of JOHN of GAUNT Dk LANCASTER; m2
<1429 Maud (-19 May 1436 Will 11 May 1436 pr 25 Oct 1436
requests bur at Abbey of Abbotsbury) d&h of Sir ROBERT
LOVELL yr s of 5Ld LOVELL of Titchmarsh by Elizabeth d&ch
of Sir GUY BRYENE 1s&h ap of Sir GUY de BRYENE Ld BRYENE;
She was wdw of Sir RICHARD STAFFORD (-c1427) of Southwick,
Wilts by whom she had a d Avice (4 Dec 1423-3 Jun 1547) who
Inh mother's BRYENE property and who m JAMES BUTLER 5Er
ORMOND
m¦2
HUMPHREY (30 Jan 1429-24 Apr 1438 unm); 15/8Er
WILLIAM FITZALAN/MAUTRAVERS (23 Nov 1417-1487, bur Arundel
Admon 15 Dec 1487 Lambeth); 16/9Er; KG (1471);
By gift of the manor of Aynho, Nhants founded the "Arundel
Mass" to be celebrated at Magd Coll Oxford; m >17 Aug 1438
Joan (-soon<9 Sep 1462, bur Arundel) 1d of RICHARD NEVILL
Er OF SALISBURY by Alice, suo jure Ctss OF SALISBURY
Left Issue
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Adrian
Chris Phillips
> Does the following conform to the present thinking on the House of
FitzAlan?
Looking at those earlier generations that were discussed in depth earlier
this year, just a couple of points:
(1) The father in law of William (d.1215) was of "Erdington", not Erington
(I assume that's the Erdington that has been absorbed by Birmingham).
(2) You give a son William of this William, d. c.1216. I haven't seen
anything to indicate the existence of such a son, and I suspect it may come
from someone's attempt to reconcile different accounts with different
numbers of Williams. On the other hand, I haven't seen anything to disprove
the existence of such a son, but I think we do know enough about the
chronology to show he would have to have been born after his father's death.
Chris Phillips
ADRIANC...@aol.com
Thanks for those two corrections.
In fact Burke's Extinct Peerage has "Erington", but I am sure you are correct
with "Erdington". My original notes of about ten years ago, were based on
BEP, then updated as more reliable information came along, not the best way
to go about things. Burke's is also where the extra William comes from, but
there does not seem to be any reliable evidence for him.
best regards,
Adrian
> Adrian Channing wrote:
> > Does the following conform to the present thinking on the House of
> FitzAlan?
>
Chris Phillips replied,
Douglas Richardson
In your good post last week on the Fitz Alan/Arundel family, you
stated that there was some doubt as to the "pedigree" of Eleanor de
Arundel, wife of Henry de Percy, Knt., 1st Lord Percy. I can share
these particulars with you which were not discussed by the editor of
Complete Peerage in his otherwise reliable account of the Percy
family.
C.P. 10 (1945): 458, footnote k (sub Percy), states incorrectly that
the parentage of Eleanor de Arundel, wife of Henry de Percy, is
"obscure." Standard accounts of the Percy family all identify Eleanor
as the "daughter of the Earl of Arundel" evidently Richard Fitz Alan
(or Arundel), 8th Earl of Arundel (see for example H.S.P. 16 (1881):
241-244 (1563/4 Vis. Yorkshire) (Percy pedigree: "Henry 3 Lord Percy =
Elenor doughter of therl of Arundell (Rychard Fitzalan)").
Arrangements for Eleanor's marriage to Henry de Percy are reflected in
the recognizance made in 1300, by Eleanor's father, Richard, Earl of
Arundel, for a debt of 2,000 marks which he owed Henry de Percy (see
Cal. Close Rolls, 1296-1302 (1906), pg. 404)]. Such recognizances
were often recorded in this period to guarantee the fulfillment of a
marriage contract between two families. Moreover, the records show
that Eleanor was called "kinswoman" by King Edward II on two separate
occasions, once in 1318 and again in 1322, presumably on the basis of
Eleanor's descent through her mother from Amadeo IV, Count of Savoy,
brother of Edward II's great-grandmother, Beatrice of Savoy (see Cal.
Fine Rolls, 1307-1319 (1912), pg. 378; Cal. Fine Rolls, 1319-1327
(1912), pg. 134). Eleanor's brother, John de Arundel, was similarly
called "kinsman" by both Kings Edward II of England and Philip of
France (the latter king also being a descendant of the Savoy family)
[see Cal. of Entries in the Papal Registers: Letters 2 (1895): 201)].
Lastly, Eleanor is known to have been the sister of Richard de
Arundel, Knt., for whom she served as his executrix. C.P. 10 (1945):
458, footnote k, notes that Arundel was "already being used as a
family name by the Fitz Alan family." Research indicates the Fitz
Alan family did employ the surname, Arundel. Eleanor's father,
Richard Fitz Alan, was himself styled "Richard de Arundel" on at least
one occasion in a grant made to him in 1291 (see C.P. 1 (1910): 241).
As such, there is no inconsistency with Eleanor being sister to
Richard de Arundel, Knt., and her being the daughter of Richard Fitz
Alan.
Regarding further information regarding Eleanor de Arundel, C.P. sub
Percy indicates that Eleanor died in July or August 1328. I presume
Eleanor died at Leconfield, co. York, which was her chief place of
residence at this time. [Reference: Index of Placita de Banco A.D.
1327-1328 2 (PRO, Lists & Indexes, No. 32) (repr. 1963):
735,745,789-790]. I note that Leconfield was also the birth place of
her son and heir, Henry de Percy, Knt., 2nd Lord Percy.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
E-mail: royala...@msn.com
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