Begon/Begue, Count of Paris

[David B. Boles]

How many Counts of Paris were named Begon/Begue? An earlier edition of Weis
(sorry, I'm not sure which) named a Begue who d. 816 and m. an illegitimate
daughter of Charlemagne. However, Weis and Sheppard (7th ed.) mention
a Bego who d. 861 (861=816?), and another source (Collins, Royal
Ancestors of Magna Charta Barons, 1959) indicates that a Begon Conrad
m. a daughter of Louis I, "the Pious", German Roman Emperor. Are these
all the same individual, with some disagreement existing as to the
wife, or are they different but related individuals? Any help would
be appreciated.

Dave Boles (bol...@rpi.edu)

[Todd A. Farmerie]

They are all the same. I think the 816 date is wrong (at least it seems
early for a potential son-in-law of Louis). As to the marriages, they have
been batting arround that one for some time now, and I have yet to see a
conclusive discussion. As to the Conrad, I had not seen it before, and
doubt that it is appropriate.

Todd

[ic]

No 816 is right, at least for this Bego. He is supposed to have married
Alpaida, seen as an illegitimate daughter of Louis the Pious (so Werner
Die Nachkommen.., Karl der Grosse, 1965) though there is some dispute
about this, not least in that chronologically it is difficult to fit
a daughter in for LP: some therefore see her as a illegitimate daughter
of Charlemagne. Check out A.Cabaniss, Son of Charlemagne, the
Astronomer's Life of Louis, which discusses this.

There is a Conrad Ct of Paris, but he is a completely different
individual. He appears as Ct of Paris in 876, but rebelled with
Gauslin of St.Denis in 879. He died in 882. He was a member of the Welf
clan: I think he was son of Rudolf, abt of St.Riquier, (d.866 uncle
of Charles the Bald), and cousin of Hugh the Abbot. Werner in his article
in "The Medieval Nobility.." (ed T.Reuter 1982) has a good footnote
which explains the various branches of the Welfs.

Sorry about the references but this is from memory