C.P. Addition: Birth & Kinship of William Beauchamp, Lord Saint Amand
Douglas Richardson
The authoritative Complete Peerage, 11 (1949): 301-302 (sub Saint
Amand) gives a good account of the life history of Sir William
Beauchamp (died 1457), Lord Saint Amand. Sir William Beauchamp is
there identified as the "elder son of Sir Walter Beauchamp, by
Elizabeth, daughter and coheiress of John Roches." No birth date is
provided for William, however.
In the published Redaction of Somer's Chronicle, it is reported that
William Beauchamp, Lord Saint Amand, was born in 1407:
"1407 Nativitas domini Willelmi beauchamp domini sancti amandi"
[Reference: Camden Miscellany 34 (Camden Soc. 5th Ser. 10) (1997): 278.
The editor reports that this chronicle "is the only evidence of his
[William's] date of birth; he was married in or before 1426."
Recently, I learned that Sir William Beauchamp, Lord Saint Amand, was
styled "cousin" by King Henry VI of England [Reference: C.P., 11
(1949): 303, footnote d, citing Nicolas, Proceedings of Privy Council
6: 187, 222, 269]. Sir William Beauchamp and King Henry VI were doubly
related in the 5th and 8th degrees of kinship (otherwise 4th cousins,
three times removed), by virtue of common descent from William de
Beauchamp (died 1269), of Elmley, Worcestershire.
l. William de Beauchamp, died 1269, m. Isabel Mauduit.
2. Sir Walter de Beauchamp, of Alcester, Warwickshire, & Powick,
Worcestershire, m. Alice de Tony.
3. Giles de Beauchamp, Knt., of Alcester, Warwickshire, m. Katherine de
Bures.
4. John de Beauchamp, Knt., of Powick, Worcestershire, m. Joan de
Cherleton.
5. Walter Beauchamp, Knt., of Market Lavington, Wiltshire, m. Elizabeth
Roches.
6. William Beauchamp, Knt., Lord Saint Amand.
1. William de Beauchamp, died 1269, m. Isabel Mauduit.
2. William de Beauchamp, Earl of Warwick, m. Maud Fitz John.
3. Isabel de Beauchamp, m. Patrick de Chaworth, Knt.
4. Maud de Chaworth, m. Henry of Lancaster, Knt., Earl of Lancaster &
Leicester.
5. Henry of Lancaster, K.G., Duke of Lancaster, m. Isabel de Beaumont.
6. Blanche of Lancaster, m. John of Gaunt, K.G., Duke of Aquitaine and
Lancaster.
7. Henry IV, King of England.
8. Henry V, King of England.
9. Henry VI, King of England.
1. William de Beauchamp, died 1269, m. Isabel Mauduit.
2. William de Beauchamp, Earl of Warwick, m. Maud Fitz John.
3. Isabel de Beauchamp, m. Patrick de Chaworth, Knt.
4. Maud de Chaworth, m. Henry of Lancaster, Knt., Earl of Lancaster &
Leicester.
5. Eleanor of Lancaster, m. Richard de Arundel, Knt., Earl of Arundel &
Surrey.
6. Joan Arundel, m. Humphrey de Bohun, K.G., Earl of Hereford, Essex, &
Northampton.
7. Mary de Bohun, m. Henry IV, King of England.
8. Henry V, King of England.
9. Henry VI, King of England.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www.royalancestry.net
Nathaniel Taylor
"Douglas Richardson" <royala...@msn.com> wrote:
> 1. William de Beauchamp, died 1269, m. Isabel Mauduit.
> 2. William de Beauchamp, Earl of Warwick, m. Maud Fitz John.
> 3. Isabel de Beauchamp, m. Patrick de Chaworth, Knt.
> 4. Maud de Chaworth, m. Henry of Lancaster, Knt., Earl of Lancaster &
> Leicester.
> 5. Henry of Lancaster, K.G., Duke of Lancaster, m. Isabel de Beaumont.
> 6. Blanche of Lancaster, m. John of Gaunt, K.G., Duke of Aquitaine and
> Lancaster.
> 7. Henry IV
I hadn't noticed this before: the Blounts of Elmley Lovet, Worcs. (Sir
Walter Blount, etc.) are said to be descended from Isabel, daughter of
Wm de Beauchamp & Isabel Mauduit, above. This makes Sir Walter Blount a
third cousin (once removed) of Blanche of Lancaster, which might explain
his close Lancastrian tie (he was one of John of Gaunt's executors, and
died at Shrewsbury while wearing Henry IV's livery).
1. William de Beauchamp, d. 1269 = Isabel Mauduit
2. Isabel de Beauchamp, widow of Henry Lovet = William le Blount
3. Sir Walter le Blount (d. 1324), M.P. Worcester, 1318, 1321 = Joan de
Sodington
4. Sir John le Blount (d. 1358) = Isolde de Mountjoy
5. Sir Walter Blount (1348-1403) = Sancha de Ayala
CP notes the identity of Isabel, wife of William le Blount as only a
possibility, but I thought I remembered Croke giving fairly convincing
presentation of this. It might be nice to review that particular
question.
Given that Henry VI addressed another descendant of Mauduit / Beauchamp
as cousin (apparently based on no closer relationship than this), I
wonder if any similar expression of kinship by Henry IV, V or VI to
Blounts or to Walter, 1st Lord Mountjoy (who would be related in the
same degree) could be found to support this descent?
Nat Taylor
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my children's 17th-century American immigrant ancestors:
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Merilyn Pedrick
Leo's Genealogics site has your number 4 (below) Sir John le Blount's wife,
as Eleanor Beauchamp. He doesn't have another wife listed. Can you comment
please?
Merilyn Pedrick
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CE Wood
respectively.
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00214355&tree=LEO
CE Wood
Nathaniel Taylor
pedr...@ozemail.com.au ("Merilyn Pedrick") wrote:
> > From: Nathaniel Taylor
> > Date: 01/22/06 07:08:12
> > To: GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com
> > Subject: Beauchamp to Blount (was: ... Kinship of William Beauchamp, Lord
> > Saint Amand)
> >
> >
> > 1. William de Beauchamp, d. 1269 = Isabel Mauduit
> > 2. Isabel de Beauchamp, widow of Henry Lovet = William le Blount
> > 3. Sir Walter le Blount (d. 1324), M.P. Worcester, 1318, 1321 = Joan de
> > Sodington
> > 4. Sir John le Blount (d. 1358) = Isolde de Mountjoy
> > 5. Sir Walter Blount (1348-1403) = Sancha de Ayala
> Dear Nat
> Leo's Genealogics site has your number 4 (below) Sir John le Blount's wife,
> as Eleanor Beauchamp. He doesn't have another wife listed. Can you comment
> please?
> Merilyn Pedrick
In article <1138820623.5...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
"CE Wood" <woo...@msn.com> wrote:
> Leo lists both Isolda Mountjoy and Eleanor Beauchamp as wives #1 and #2
> respectively.
> http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00214355&tree=LEO
>
> CE Wood
Yes. The second wife attributed to him in some source (a visitation
pedigree maybe?) used by Burke's (which has the two wives) is ignored by
Complete Peerage, which lists only one wife, Isolda. There is an
article discussing and disproving the alleged Blount-Beauchamp marriage
*in this generation* (she is assigned as a daughter of one of the Lords
Beauchamp of Hache): on this Cecil R. Humphery-Smith, "The Blount
Quarters," _The Coat of Arms_ 4 [1957], 224-7, is corrected by G. D.
Squibb, "The Heirs of Beauchamp of Hatch," ibid., pp. 275-7.
Furthermore, I don't have it in front of me but I remember that Croke
prints or quotes from a deed in which Isolda is mentioned as the then
wife of sir John le Blount in (I think) 1352, which is definitely after
the birth of Walter, who had been erroneously assigned (with his next
elder brother) to the second wife. The evidence is that Sir John Blount
(no. 4 above) only ever had one wife, Isolda de Mountjoy, who is
attested as his wife after the apparent birth year of Sir Walter.