Complete Peerage Addition: Joan Foliot, wife of Sir Alphonse de Vere
Douglas Richardson
Complete Peerage 10 (1945): 222 (sub Oxford), footnote a, gives a good
account of the life of Sir Alphonse de Vere, of Great Hormead,
Hertfordshire (died 1328). The editor indicates that Leland,
Itinerary, ed. by Smith, states that his wife was Joan, daughter of
Sir Richard Foliot, "but no proof has been found of this."
Actually there is additional evidence of Sir Alphonse's wife's
identity. The 1563/4 Visitation of Yorkshire gives the following
information:
"Sir Alphonso de Vere Erl of Oxford maryed = Jone doughter of ....
Follyot." [Reference: H.S.P. 16 (1881): 227 (1563/4 Vis. Yorkshire)
(Nevil pedigree)].
This confirms that Sir Alphonse's wife was named Joan Foliot, but
leaves her parentage unidentified.
John Ravilious' account of the Foliot family provided below indicates
that the manor of Cowesby, Yorkshire was held in 1282 by Sir Jordan
Foliot, 1st Lord Foliot (died 1299). Complete Peerage 5 (1926):
538-540 (sub Foliot) indicates that Sir Jordan Foliot earlier
inherited Cowesby, Yorkshire from his maternal uncle, Sir Robert de
Stuteville.
My own research indicates that by 1316, Cowesby, Yorkshire had passed
to Sir Alphonse de Vere [Reference: Feudal Aids, 6 (1920): 175].
Likewise, I find that in 1324, Sir Alphonse de Vere presented to the
church of Cowesby, Yorkshire as its patron [Reference: R.M.T. Hill,
Register of William Melton Archbishop of York, 1 (Canterbury & York
Soc. 70) (1977): 129]. I presume Sir Alphonse de Vere had Cowesby,
Yorkshire in marriage with his wife, Joan, who chronologically would
fit to be a daughter of Sir Jordan Foliot. Sir Alphonse and Joan were
evidently married before 1312 (date of birth of their son, John de
Vere, later 7th Earl of Oxford).
In an earlier post dated August 4, 2002, I discussed the evidence that
Sir Alphonse de Vere and his wife, Joan Foliot, were the parents of
Margery de Vere, wife of Sir Maurice de Berkeley, of Uley,
Gloucestershire. Margery and Maurice were married by papal
dispensation dated 1331, they being related in the 4th degree of
kindred, evidently by common descent from the Zouche family. The
given name, Margery, was presumably bestowed on Sir Alphonse de Vere's
daughter in honor of his wife's mother, Margery (de Newmarch) Foliot.
Sir Alphonse de Vere's wife, Joan Foliot, possesses many royal lines,
the best one being through Joan's maternal grandmother, Elizabeth (or
Isabel) de Mowbray, whose own grandmother, Bertha de Ferrers, is a
descendant of King Henry I of England. For Bertha de Ferrers'
parentage, see my post in the newsgroup archives dated 25 June 2000.
For informational purposes, the following is a list of American
colonists who descend from Sir Alphonse de Vere and his wife, Joan
Foliot:
l. Elizabeth Alsop.
2. William Asfordby.
3. William Bladen.
4. George & Nehemiah Blakiston.
5. Elizabeth Bosville.
6. Charles Calvert.
7. Kenelm Cheseldine.
8. Grace Chetwode.
9. Francis Dade.
10. Jane, Frances, & Katherine Deighton
11. Thomas Dudley.
12. William Farrar.
13. Muriel Gurdon.
14. Elizabeth & John Harleston.
15. Anne Humphrey.
16. Anne, Elizabeth & John Mansfield.
17. Anne & Katherine Marbury.
18. Elizabeth Marshall.
19. John Nelson.
20. Thomas Owsley.
21. Herbert Pelham.
22. Edward Raynsford.
23. William Skepper.
24. Mary Johanna Somerset.
25. John Stockman.
26. Samuel and William Torrey
27. John West.
28. George Yate.
I wish to thank John Ravilious for his helpful input on this post.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
E-mail: royala...@msn.com
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ACCOUNT OF THE FOLIOT FAMILY PROVIDED BY JOHN RAVILIOUS
1 Sir Jordan Foliot
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Birth: bef 2 May 1249[1]
Death: bef 2 May 1299[1]
Occ: Lord Foliot
Father: Sir Richard Foliot (>1214-1299)
Mother: Margery de Stuteville
knight, of Gressenhall, Elsing, East Lexham and Weasenham, Norfolk;
Norton, Fenwick, Moseley and Cowesby, co. York, Grimston and
Wellow, Notts.
'entered upon the lands' of his uncle Robert de Stuteville following
his death; ejected by Philip de Wylheby, escheator, 'as if the
said Robert had held from the king in chief, and detained same from
him, as was said unjustly (minus juste).' Writ dated Tydeswell, 20
Aug. 3 Edw. I [1275] to Philip de Wileby, Escheator beyond Trent,
'to make inquisition, whether the said Robert held anything in
chief on the day he died.'
' Inquisition made at York on Wednesday after the feast of St.
Michael, 3 Edw. (2 Oct., 1275), before Philip de Wylheby, the
Escheator, by William de Habbeton,...[&c.], who say on their oath
that Robert de Stuteville, uncle (avunculus) of Jordan Foliot, held
nothing of the king in chief on the day he died.' [ Yorks. Inq.
II:1, No. 1[2] ]
'Jordan Foliot', held 1 carucate in the manor of 'Stivelingflete'
ca. 1281:
Et Gilbertus de Luthe tenet j car. terrae in eadem de Jurdano Foliot
per feodum militare, et facit sectas praedictas; et ille tenet de
Baldewino de Wake, et ille de Rege in capite.' [manor held of
Jordan Foliot by military service, which he held of Baldwin Wake,
who held same of the King in chief - Kirkby's Inquest p. 64-66[3] ]
'Holds 2 knights' fees at Cowesby, Nesse, Stivelingeflete,
Ripplingham, and Brantingham, Yorks., late of Baldwin Wake, 25 Mar
1282, and overlord of Welyngham Manor, Norf., 10 Sept 1289
(Inq.).'[4]
Summoned to Parliament from 24 June 1295 to 2 Nov 1295 by writs
directed 'Jordano Foliot', held thereby to have become Lord
Foliot.[1]
found following his IPM to have ' held of the late King [Edward I]
in chief one-fifth of a knight's fee in Hoo, Kent' (CP Vol.
V-Foliot, p. 540n)[1]
re: his wife:
' Margery Foliot, lady of Wellehagh ', had her right to have a
market at Wellow, co. Notts. confirmed, 22 Feb 1330, when
" the justices in eyre were ordered to permit Margery Foliot,
lady of Wellehagh, to have her Fri market notwithstanding the eyre,
as she and other lords of the town had had from the time of the
making of the charters of the king's progenitors (CCR, 1330–33,
pp. 124, 129).'[5]
her heirs were her granddaughters Margery and Margaret, according to
her IPM at Notts. (18 May, 1330) and York (22 May, 1330)[1]
Spouse: Margery de Neumarche[1]
Death: 18 Apr 1330[1]
Father: Sir Adam de Neumarche (->1279) of Womersley
Mother: Isabel de Mowbray
Children: Sir Richard (1283-<1317)
Joan
1.1 Sir Richard Foliot[6]
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Birth: 25 Dec 1283[1],[2]
Death: bef 23 Jul 1317, Scotland, on the king's service[1]
Occ: Lord Foliot
knight, of Gressenhall and Weasenham, co. Norfolk
2nd Lord Foliot
2nd husband of Joan de Braose[1]:
'Grant of marriage of Joan, wid. of Jas. de Bohun, 16 Sep. 1310'
- Knights of Edward I II:77-78, cites P.R.[4]
Spouse: Joan de Braose
Death: bef 23 Jun 1324[1]
Father: Sir William de Braose (-<1326)
Mother: NN (-<1317)
Marr: aft 16 Sep 1310[1]
Children: Margery (<1313-1349)
Richard (-1325)
Margaret (-<1402)
1.2 Joan Foliot
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identified as probable wife of Alphonso de Vere
(said to be daughter of Richard Foliot)[9]
Spouse: Alfonso de Vere
Birth: bef 1263[1]
Death: ca 20 Dec 1329
Father: Robert de Vere (~1240-<1296)
Mother: Alice de Sanford (-<1312)
Children: John (-1359)
Margery (-1351)
1.2.1 John de Vere
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Death: 24 Jan 1359[1]
7th Earl of Oxford
Hereditary Chamberlain of England
Spouse: Maud de Badlesmere[10]
Birth: ca 1310[1]
Death: 1366[1]
Father: Bartholomew de Badlesmere (<1275-1322)
Mother: Margaret de Clare (<1286-1333)
Children: Margaret (-1398)
Thomas (-1371)
NN
Aubrey (-1400)
1.2.2 Margery de Vere
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Death: 21 May 1351[9]
Spouse: Maurice de Berkeley
Death: 12 Feb 1346, siege of Calais[9]
Father: Sir Maurice de Berkeley (ca1271-1326)
Mother: Eva la Zouche (-1314)
Marr: 29 Dec 1331[9]
Children: Thomas
Maurice
Edward
Isabel
1. G. E. Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage," 1910 -
The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain
and the United Kingdom.
2. William Brown, B.A., ed., "Yorkshire Inquisitions," The
Yorkshire Archaeological Society, Record Series), various
dates:, Vol. II(Record series vol. XXIII) - 1898; Vol. III
(Record series vol. XXXI) - 1902.
3. John de Kirkby, "The survey of the county of York taken by John
de Kirkby, commonly called Kirkby's Inquest," also inquisitions
of knights' fees, the Nomina villarum for orkshire, and an
appendix of illustrative documents, Durham: Pub. for the Society
by Andrews and Co., 1867.
4. Rev. Charles Moor, D.D., F.S.A., "Knights of Edward I," Pubs. of
the Harleian Society, 1929-1930, 3 Vols. (Vols. 80-83 in
series).
5. "Gazetteer of Markets and Fairs to 1516,"
www.histparl.ac.uk/cmh/gaz/, extracted 5 Nov 2001, Wiltshire
[Bassett], Yorkshire [Salvain] - North Duffield.
6. "The Visitation of Yorkshire," Harleian Soc., William Flower,
Esquire, Norroy King of Arms, Harleian Series, Vol. 16, Mitchell
and Hughes, Printers, London, 1881, pp. 154-156: pedigree of
Hastings of Elsing ('Hastynges..' of Fenwick, co. Yorks.),
'The Visitation of Yorkshire in the Years 1563 and 1564'.
7. Jonathan Sumption, "The Hundred Years War," Philadelphia:
University of Pennsylvania Press, 1999 (first US pub. in 1991;
in Britain, 1990), Vol. I: Trial by Battle.
8. "Public Record Office Archives," http://www.a2a.pro.gov.uk/
9. Douglas Richardson, "Identity of Margery, wife of Maurice de
Berkeley (died 1347)," August 4, 2002, GEN-MEDIEVAL-
L...@rootsweb.com.
10. Frederick L. Weis, Th. D., "The Magna Carta Sureties, 1215,"
Baltimore: Gen Pub Co., 5th ed., 1997 (W. L. Sheppard Jr & David
Faris).
Douglas Richardson
As a followup to my post earlier this week on the parentage of Joan
Foliot, wife of Sir Alphonse de Vere, I can add that the 1301 Lay
Subsidy for Yorkshire shows that a "Johanne Filiot" was assessed viijs
iiijd at Cowesby, Yorkshire [Reference: W. Brown Yorkshire Lay Subsidy
(Yorkshire Arch. Soc. Rec.Ser. 21) (1897): 87]. This assessment is
apparently for Joan Foliot, wife of Sir Alphonse de Vere. In this
instance, Joan appears in the record using her maiden name, which high
born ladies of this period occasionally did. The editor, Mr. Brown,
added a footnote for the entry for Johanne Filiot to the effect that
Jordan Foliot was the previous recorded owner of property at Cowesby.
That information is correct.
If this property was Joan Foliot's maritagium as is likely the case,
this record suggests that Joan Foliot and Sir Alphonse de Vere were
married in or before 1301, as Joan already had possession of lands at
Cowesby in that year. John Ravilious has shown us that Joan's father,
Sir Jordan Foliot, was born before 2 May 1249. As such, there is
nothing amiss chronologically for Jordan Foliot's daughter, Joan, to
be married to Alphonse de Vere in or before 1301. Their son and heir,
John de Vere, was born in 1312.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
E-mail: royala...@msn.com
royala...@msn.com (Douglas Richardson) wrote in message news:<5cf47a19.04041...@posting.google.com>...
> making of the charters of the king's progenitors (CCR, 1330?33,