Hastings/Flamville
Benjamin Hertzel
There have been a couple of postings lately about the Hastings/Flamville
connections - Alan Wilson posted descents of both families - but I am
still uncertain how Erneburga de Flamville fits into that family. I know
she was the daughter of Hugh, but I haven't seen the connection yet. Can
anyone point that out to me?
Also, is there a connection between the Hastings family that married
descendents of Gerald of Windsor, and the Hastings family that married
descendents of his brother, Robert?
Thank you.
Benjamin
Richard Borthwick
Erneburga was dau. of Hugh and heir of her uncle Robert. Her relationship
to Maud dau. of Roger and Juetta de Arches is not known, though it seems to
be generally assumed that they are two branches of the one family. However,
a common toponym, as is clear in the answer to your second question, is no
guarantee of people bearing it being of the same patrilineal or matrilineal
family.
Robert fitz Walter's probable wife was sister of the wife of William (I) de
Hastings (d.>1130). Robert's sister, Edith, also married a brother of
William (I) de Hasting's wife. Edith also was wife of Ralph the Steward of
St Edmunds whom some see as a Hastings Moriarty speculates that he was a
brother of William (I) de Hastings). There is no evidence of a connection
other than through the Little Eston family and the main Hastings family
both marrying Windsor siblings. If Moriarty's speculation about the family
of Ralph the steward is correct then there was also a marriage between the
Tedric line and the Hastings.
Robert fitz Walter was also known as Robert de Windsor and his son, William
fitz Robert was also known as William de Hastings. The latter's son was
known as Robert de Hastings. The adoption of a toponym used by another
family might indicate the political, economic or social closeness or
interdependence of a group of families possibly linked by marriages but not
always by blood. In this period it is sometimes hard to trace some people
just because they cheerfully took on someone else's name. In the case of
the Little Eston family the reason for their use of the Windsor and
Hastings names is not obvious. Even if Alan is correct in thinking that the
Little Eston family was a male line branch of the the Windsors (rather than
the male line successors of Tedric) this would still leave the reason for
their use of the Hastings name a matter of conjecture.
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