The `negro' ancestry of Margarida de Castro e Sousa
Francisco Antonio Doria
This arose in connection to a supposed Negro ancestry of Queen Charlotte. In fact, there is a (possible) Northern-afro connection, but very far far up. (Portuguese genealogists have long been aware of that connection, which however looks strange to non-Continental European genealogists. However this kind of racial mix-up is quite common: may I suggest that the interested parties take a look at one of the portraits of duke Alessandro de' Medici, who even married one of Charkes V's bastard daughters? He was the son of pope Clemente VII as a cardinal and some Negro slave.)
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The link:
1. D. AFONSO III, first count of Bologna *iure uxore* and then King of Portugal (1210-1279). Conquered the Algarve in 1249, and is given as having had an affair with one `Mourana Gil,' d. of `Aloandro,' who held one of the fortresses of Faro.
[If of Berber blood, she might have been dark-skinned, with African features.]
A son was born of this affair:
2. MARTIM AFONSO `Chichorro' (The Little One), because he was, uh, let me be politically correct at least once, vertically impaired... (So am I ;-)) B. 1249-50, still living in 1299. M. Inês Lourenço de Sousa, d. of Lourenço Soares de Valladares and of Maria Mendes de Sousa. (She is the one who had an affair with the brother, Gonçalo Mendes de Sousa; she was also very wealthy, one of the two heiresses of the house of Sousa.)
Follows:
3. MARTIM AFONSO DE SOUSA, who lived in the early 14th century. Had a *liaison* with Aldonça Anes de Briteiros, d. of João Rodrigues de Briteiros.
Next:
4. VASCO MARTINS DE SOUSA, also called `Chichorro.' Lord of Mortágua. B. c. 1315, was still alive in 1385 during the *cortes* at Coimbra. M. Inês Manuel, d. of D. Henrique Manuel, count of Cea. By Estefania Garcia left issue:
5. AFONSO VASQUES DE SOUSA. M. cousin Leonor Lopes de Sousa, bastard d. of D. Lopo Dias de Sousa, legitimized in 1394 when already married. Issue:
6. MARIA DE SOUSA, m. D. Fernando de Castro, lord of Monsanto. Follows:
7. MARGARIDA DE CASTRO E SOUSA, who m. Jean de Neufchatel.
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I've made one correction in the line given by Felgueiras Gayo and D. Antonio Caetano de Sousa. I give Afonso Vasques de Sousa as Vasco Martins' son, due to patronymic and chronology. Also the Sousa Chichorro line is descended from him through his son (not brother) Martim Afonso de Sousa III, attested at Ceuta in 1415. Later I learned that Luiz de Bivar Guerra had made the same corrections in the 60s.
Best,
Chico Doria
Francisco Antonio Doria
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Leo van de Pas
Many thanks your links are the same as
in Europaische Stammtafeln (Schwennicke),
except you give as liasons gen. 4 and 5
and I understand from Schwennicke they
were marriages. Two questions, your generation
5 married his cousin. Can you show the link?
Schwennicke also gives the father's name as
Lopo Dias de Sousa. In gen 2 you tell that Ines Lourenco de Sousa had an
affaire with her brother, when was this? Before, after or during
her marriage? Any resulting children?
Many thanks
Leo van de Pas
William Addams Reitwiesner
>
>This arose in connection to a supposed Negro ancestry of Queen Charlotte.
>In fact, there is a (possible) Northern-afro connection, but very far far
>up. (Portuguese genealogists have long been aware of that connection,
>which however looks strange to non-Continental European genealogists.
>However this kind of racial mix-up is quite common: may I suggest that
>the interested parties take a look at one of the portraits of duke
>Alessandro de' Medici, who even married one of Charkes V's bastard
>daughters? He was the son of pope Clemente VII as a cardinal and some
>Negro slave.)
See <http://members.aol.com/eurostamm/medici.html> for further on this.
>The link:
>
>1. D. AFONSO III, first count of Bologna *iure uxore* and then King of
>Portugal (1210-1279). Conquered the Algarve in 1249, and is given as
>having had an affair with one `Mourana Gil,' d. of `Aloandro,' who held
>one of the fortresses of Faro.
>
>[If of Berber blood, she might have been dark-skinned, with African
>features.]
>
>A son was born of this affair:
>
>2. MARTIM AFONSO `Chichorro' (The Little One), because he was, uh, let me
>be politically correct at least once, vertically impaired... (So am I ;-))
A person who was similarly afflicted was Wladyslaw Lokietek, King of Poland
(d. 1333). He only came up to the elbows of his contemporaries, so that's
what they called him. Lokietek (Polish) = Ellenbogen (German) = Elbow
(English).
>B. 1249-50, still living in 1299. M. Inês Lourenço de Sousa, d. of Lourenço
>Soares de Valladares and of Maria Mendes de Sousa. (She is the one who had
>an affair with the brother, Gonçalo Mendes de Sousa; she was also very
>wealthy, one of the two heiresses of the house of Sousa.)
>
>Follows:
>
>3. MARTIM AFONSO DE SOUSA, who lived in the early 14th century. Had a
>*liaison* with Aldonça Anes de Briteiros, d. of João Rodrigues de
>Briteiros. Next:
>
>4. VASCO MARTINS DE SOUSA, also called `Chichorro.' Lord of Mortágua. B.
>c. 1315, was still alive in 1385 during the *cortes* at Coimbra. M. Inês
>Manuel, d. of D. Henrique Manuel, count of Cea. By Estefania Garcia left
>issue:
>
>5. AFONSO VASQUES DE SOUSA. M. cousin Leonor Lopes de Sousa, bastard d.
>of D. Lopo Dias de Sousa, legitimized in 1394 when already married.
Leonor Lopes de Sousa was a half-third cousin once removed of her husband
Afonso Vasques de Sousa, but she doesn't share the descent from "Mourana
Gil":
Afonso III King of Portugal (d. 1279) = Mariana Pirez de Enzara
Afonso I Diniz de Portugal m. Maria Paes Ribeiro de Sousa
Diego I Afonso de Sousa m. Violante Lopes Pacheco
Alvaro I de Sousa m. Maria Telles de Menezes
Lopo Dias de Sousa = Catarina Telles
Leonor Lopes de Sousa m. Afonso Vasques de Sousa
(*Europaeische Stammtafeln*, ed. Schwennicke, Band III, Tafel 467 for those
who are keeping track)
>Issue:
>
>6. MARIA DE SOUSA, m. D. Fernando de Castro, lord of Monsanto. Follows:
>
>7. MARGARIDA DE CASTRO E SOUSA, who m. Jean de Neufchatel.
For whom see Schwennicke XI:138.
William Addams Reitwiesner
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Francisco Antonio Doria wrote in message ...
>
>This arose in connection to a supposed Negro ancestry of Queen Charlotte.
In fact, there is a (possible) Northern-afro connection, but very far far
up. (Portuguese genealogists have long been aware of that connection, which
however looks strange to non-Continental European genealogists. However this
kind of racial mix-up is quite common: may I suggest that the interested
parties take a look at one of the portraits of duke Alessandro de' Medici,
who even married one of Charkes V's bastard daughters? He was the son of
pope Clemente VII as a cardinal and some Negro slave.)
>
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>
>The link:
>
>1. D. AFONSO III, first count of Bologna
In general, Chico, one must distinguish Boulogne (which is what you mean
here) from Bologna.
>*iure uxore* and then King of Portugal (1210-1279). Conquered the Algarve
in 1249, and is given as having had an affair with one `Mourana Gil,' d. of
`Aloandro,' who held one of the fortresses of Faro.
>
>[If of Berber blood, she might have been dark-skinned, with African
features.]
Berbers are white and do not have Negroid features.
This is a red herring, a spurious genealogy based on a politically motivated
as well as racially vile slander.
Charlotte had no Negro blood and did not resemble one. She had Portuguese
blood, but from before there was any sub-Saharan element in Portugal.
Jean Coeur de Lapin
John Steele Gordon
> >2. MARTIM AFONSO `Chichorro' (The Little One), because he was, uh, let me
> >be politically correct at least once, vertically impaired... (So am I ;-))
> A person who was similarly afflicted was Wladyslaw Lokietek, King of Poland
> (d. 1333). He only came up to the elbows of his contemporaries, so that's
> what they called him. Lokietek (Polish) = Ellenbogen (German) = Elbow
> (English).
I believe that King Charles I of England was also not in the running for
a basketball scholarship. I have heard that he was well under five feet
tall even before Parliament took another eight or so inches off the top.
Thank God high-heeled shoes were in fashion for men in those days.
JSG
Francisco Antonio Doria
You're right as it goes for Boulogne, a weird lapse of mine for sure, but
not concerning this non-Arab, Northern Africa population. There is a
colleague of mine from there, of Berber stock, and rather Negroid in
appearance. It is generally accepted that the dark skin of the Algarvian
population is African - and why shouldn't it be?
OK, but that's a minor point. I would never say that the Sousas do Prado
are negroid because of this distant ancestress. Just to point out were
the idea originated.
Best, Chico
Francisco Antonio Doria
DavidBotts
If some of the Hemingsfolk descended from the Jefferson family were able to
"pass" themselves as white after just two generations of racial mixture
(Heming's mother was mixed, as were her children) , who is to tell whether any
given person has, or has not, any African ancestry past a few generations? Use
of "features" to identify mixed racial heritage does not seem very reliable.
Dave Botts
"Cousin to many red, white, yellow, black and green folks including some
Campbell's over in the Ulster plantations who were plaid."<g>