Bewsfield, Kent and the early de Badlesmere family
John P. Ravilious
Hello All,
While I do not have a copy of CP IX to hand, I noted
recently that Jim Weber's webpage cites the CP account of
Northwode to the effect that among other lands, Joan de
Badlesmere (wife of Sir John de Northwode, d. 1319) at her
death held ' Bewsfield (otherwise Whitfield) near Dover '.
Jim further cites Hasted in stating that Bewsfield was given
to Joan as part of her maritagium by her father, Guncelin de
Badlesmere [1].
The tenure of Bewsfield, Kent by Joan in fact confirms her
Badlesmere parentage, and serves to extend our knowledge of
the Badlesmere family. There is an interesting case in the
Curia Regis rolls from 1 John [1199-1200] concerning claims to
1/2 knight's fee in Bewsfield:
' Kent. Will' de Soueledu' pet feud dim mil't i Beufeld
vs Willm de Badelesm' sic jus suu 't hedit.
un Wielard' avuncl's Jord p'ris p'dci Will'i
saisit fuit ut de feud 't jure tempe R'x H.
Avi. 't Wielard' dux' i ux' q'nda' Dionisia cui
dedit t'ram illam i dote q' tota' t'ram illa' tenuit
i dote om'ib's dieb's vite sue ex dono ip'ius
Wielard' i q'm t'ram p'dcs Will' n'llm huit
ingressum n' p Thom' de Neusol' fil' predc'e
Dionis' q' n'llm jus h'uit i t'ra il1' n' p' Dionis'
m'rem sua' q' h'uit [ea] i dot'. Will' ven' 't
def'ndit jus suu' 't def'ndet q'n . debebit sic'
vs' eu' q' inf' etate' . vs' que' licet finis f'cs
e'et' no' posset ee' rat' 't dic' q'd Dionis' n
huit t'ra illa' in dote' s' in maritagiu'. Quia
quida' Guncelin' t'ra illa' dédit i maritagiu'
p'dco Wielard' cu' Dionisia filia sua. q'. Wie-
lard' decessit s'n h'ede [de se]. 't p' eum
dux' ea' [i ux'] Thom' de Cestreton'. cu' p'dco
maritag' . 't ex ea h'uit h'edem. 't p' decessu
ip'ius Wielard' fr' suus Sim' avus p'dci Will'i
posuit ip'm Thom' 't Dionisia' i placit' i cur'
Reg' S'ci Aug'tini. 't ibi finis f'cs fuit
int' eos. Ita q'd t'ra de Linacher remansit
eid' Sim' i fine ill' 't Beaufeld remä'sit p'dco
Thom' 't Dionis' 't hoc off't p'bare
't Will' ven' 't def'ndit fine' illu' [n'c
't q'n def'nde debu'it ut ille q' inf' etate' ]
't q'd nu'q' p'd'ca Dionis' h'uit t'ra' illa' i' ma-
ritagiu' immo i' dote'. 't ut inquisi'co in' fiat
p' legales homines utr'. s. Dionis' t'ra' illa'
h'uit i' maritag' vi' i' dote'. ['t si Thom' fil' ej'.
aliu' h'uit i'g'ess' n' p m'rem sua'.] off't Reg'.
xx. m'. [sic' illas p'us p'misit. Reg'.] Dies
dat' fuit eis i' xv. dies p' festu' S'ci Joh' ad
aud' jud'. ' [2]
That this is the same family of the well-known Bartholomew
de Badlesmere (exe. 1322) is indicated by the tenure of
Bewsfield (later Beauxfield, now Whitfield). The case between
William de Badlesmere and William de Soueledon was eventually
settled: an article in Archaeologia Cantiana provides the
text of the finding in favour of William de Badlesmere, part of
which follows:
' " Juratores dicunt quod terra de Biausfeld fuit maritagium
Dionisie de Biausfeld de dono Guncelini de Badlesmer
patris ipsius Dionisie qui illam
maritavit cum terra illa Wielardo de Savelesdon.
Judicium - Willelmus de Badlesmer teneat in pace quia
Willelmus de Savelesdon nil capit per juratam illam. "
From which we get the following pedigree: -
Guncelin de =
Badlesmere I
__________________ ______I
I I I
Simon Wielardus de = Dionisia de = Thomas de
I Savelesdon, Beausfeld, I Cestreton,
I 1st husb. ob. dead in I 2nd husb.
Jordan s.p. 1200 I
I I
I I ' [3]
Subsequent to William de Badlesmere, we find a Bartholomew
de Badlesmere (likely a grandson; perhaps an elder brother of
the younger Guncelin de Badlesmere) holding 1/2 knight's fee
at Bewsfield, Kent in 1255 [4]. This is evidently the same
land later to be found in Joan de Badlesmere's tenure at her
death, as noted above.
Unfortunately, my reading of the foregoing texts does not
provide a precise relationship between the earlier Guncelin
de Badlesmere and his heir William de Badlesmere (although
most likely William was his son), or between William and the
Bartholomew de Badlesmere of 1255. This was probably the same
William de Badlesmere who as constable of York was a witness
to a grant by Osbert son of Walter de Frismareis to the
hospital of St. Peter, York, ca 1187-1207 [5]. William de
Badlesmere was a supporter of the baronial cause against
King John, and was among those captured at Rochester in
November 1215 and imprisoned until 1221 [6]. If the well-
known Guncelin de Badlesmere (fl. ca. 1232 - 1301) was in
fact William's grandson, it is likely that William was
the elder Guncelin's son given the continuity of this
rare name in the family.
Should anyone have further relevant documentation, or
suggestions as to an accurate pedigree of the earlier
de Badlesmere family, that would be of great interest to
myself and the many list members descending from the
Badlesmere, Burghersh and Northwode families.
Cheers,
John *
NOTES
[1] From Jim Weber's webpage, The Phillips, Weber, Kirk,
& Staggs families of the Pacific Northwest, re:
Sir John de Northwode, citing (in part) CP IX:754-5
[apparently a typo, meaning CP IX:574-5]:
' He married (query about 1275) Joan DE BADLESMERE (h). He
died 26 May 1319, and his widow 2 June following; they were
buried in Minster church (i). [Complete Peerage IX:754-5]
(h) Called in NGR. lady of the manors of Horton near
Canterbury and Bewsfield (otherwise Whitfield) near Dover.
These appear in her Inq.p.m. Hasted says she was daughter of
Guncelin (Joscelin) de Badlesmere, who gave these manors with
her in free marriage to John de Northwode. No deed of such
gift has been found, but John was said to hold 10 marks rents
in Harrietsham of the gift of Guncelin. Her age would make it
likely that Joan was sister, not daughter, of Guncelin. '
[2] Sir Francis Palgrave, Rotuli Curiae Regis (Record
Commission, 1835), II:237-8. The text can be seen at
[3] CHARTERS OF CUMBWELL PRIORY. PART II, Archaeologia
Cantiana (Kent Archaeological Society, 1866),
VI:193-4.
[4] James Greenstreet, Holders of Knights' Fees in Kent,
Anno 38 Henry III, in Archaeologia Cantiana (Kent
Archaeological Society, 1878) XII:208.
[5] ' Willelmo de Badlesmar constabulario Eboracensi ' -
EYC pp. 40-41, citing Chartul. of St. Leonard's, York.
[6] Dugdale, Baronage of England, p. 57:
'..William, adhering (c) to the Rebellious Barons, about
the latter end of King John's Reign, was taken Prisoner,
(d) with some others, their Complices, in the Castle of
Rochester; and not released till (e) 6 Hen. 3:..'
[Dugdale, citing (c) -(e) 'Rot. Pip. 6 H. 3. Nott. Derb.']
* John P. Ravilious
Janet
and built Benhall Lodge in that year. Receiving first the Honor of
knighthood, on July 16, 1661, a baronet was conferred upon him by King
Charles II. Sir Edward died in January 1670. He married first Catherine,
daughter of Sir Thomas Holland, Knight, and second Ellinor, daughter and
co-heir of John Panton, Esq., Of Brunslip, in the County of Denbigh. There
may have been other wives. It is thought he was married at least 4 times
Wotton, the English historian, states that he had twenty-nine children
Children
1 Jane Duke who married Henry Wyatt, son of Sir Frances Wyatt
2 William Duke married Hannah Grendon a widow Jennings
3 Elizabeth Duke, who married Nathaniel Bacon,and Capt Thomas Jarvis
4 Alathea Duke- married 1) Offley Jenney 2) Ralph Snelling 3) William Foster
5 Col Henry Duke married Lydia Hansford
Sir Edward there could be a Thomas who really knows
Does any one know the names of Sir Edward Duke children or all his wives?
Janet
pj.evans
> Saturday, 11 August, 2007
>
> Hello All,
>
> While I do not have a copy of CP IX to hand, I noted
> recently that Jim Weber's webpage cites the CP account of
> Northwode to the effect that among other lands, Joan de
> Badlesmere (wife of Sir John de Northwode, d. 1319) at her
> death held ' Bewsfield (otherwise Whitfield) near Dover '.
> Jim further cites Hasted in stating that Bewsfield was given
> to Joan as part of her maritagium by her father, Guncelin de
> Badlesmere [1].
[snip]
> http://books.google.com/books?id=bqsDAAAAQAAJ&pg=RA1-PA366&dq=wielard...
>
> [3] CHARTERS OF CUMBWELL PRIORY. PART II, Archaeologia
> Cantiana (Kent Archaeological Society, 1866),
> VI:193-4.
>
> [4] James Greenstreet, Holders of Knights' Fees in Kent,
> Anno 38 Henry III, in Archaeologia Cantiana (Kent
> Archaeological Society, 1878) XII:208.
>
> [5] ' Willelmo de Badlesmar constabulario Eboracensi ' -
> EYC pp. 40-41, citing Chartul. of St. Leonard's, York.
>
> [6] Dugdale, Baronage of England, p. 57:
> '..William, adhering (c) to the Rebellious Barons, about
> the latter end of King John's Reign, was taken Prisoner,
> (d) with some others, their Complices, in the Castle of
> Rochester; and not released till (e) 6 Hen. 3:..'
> [Dugdale, citing (c) -(e) 'Rot. Pip. 6 H. 3. Nott. Derb.']
>
> * John P. Ravilious
My curiosity is biting me. Is Sir John de Northwode connected in some
way to Roger de Northwode (2nd Lord Northwode) who married Juliana de
Say? (My copy of CP is in a box somewhere, not accessible at this
time.)
John P. Ravilious
There is a definite connection here. As I have it:
1. John de Northwode, 1st Lord Northwode = Joan de Badlesmere
2. John de Northwode, dvp 1318 = Agnes de Grandison
3. Roger de Northwode, 2nd Lord Northwode
Cheers,
John
Leo van de Pas
The Complete Baronetage Volume III Page 221 gives rather different details.
Here is stated that Sir Edward Duke married only once, "in or after 1618
(when she was aged 18 and unmarried *one would hope so*)
Ellenor youngest daughter of John Panton of Brunslip, by Eleanor , daughter
of Sir William Booth. By her he had twenty-nine children. He died in 1671,
aged 67, will proved June 1671.Sadly the male line became extinct with a
grandson.
The above is typical how these details are recorded, but when you go into
details you wonder. He married "in or after 1618" and must have been born
about 1604, making him only 14 in 1618, and so hope he married at least four
years later so that he and Ellenor Panton both were 18. However, this seems
to leave little room for an earlier marriage. Was it perhaps an engagement
and Catherine Holland died before a marriage was contracted?
The Complete Baronetage clearly indicates that Ellenor was the mother of all
twenty-nine legitimate children.
Hope someone else can help out here.
With best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia
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Thank you. (Oh joy, more ancestors to look up!)
Douglas Richardson
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Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
> http://books.google.com/books?id=bqsDAAAAQAAJ&pg=RA1-PA366&dq=wielard...
WJhonson
To wit
John, his successor
Robert d unmarried
Elizabeth m Nathaniel Bacon of Friston
Alathea m first Offley Jenny, second Ralph Snelling, third William Foster
http://books.google.com/books?id=DjIGAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA176&dq=%22edward+duke%22+panton
Will Johnson
WJhonson
I don't see a chronologic problem and it would tie her into this same family that produced a Guncelin Badlesmere
Will Johnson
Hal Bradley
Joan was not a Fitz Bernard. (CP XIV: 57)
Hal Bradley
WJho...@aol.com
hw.br...@verizon.net writes:
> Joan was not a Fitz Bernard. (CP XIV: 57)
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I don't have access to CP 14 so I can't see what it says.
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