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Plantagenet and Capet Lines for the de la Rôche du Ronzet Family of Giat Parish in France
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Josiah de la Motte
Jan 4, 2021, 11:38:09 PM1/4/21
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Hello everyone,
I’d like to present some research I’ve done recently attempting to prove overlapping royal lines to Henry III of England and Philip III of France for one of my ancestors, Claude de la Rôche du Ronzet, a captain in Colonial Mauritius. His line to Henry III of England is through the Dukes of Brittany, and both lines pass through Marguerite de Bretagne, an illegitimate daughter of OIivier de Blois, Comte de Penthièvre, and an unknown mistress. Many thanks to Peter Stewart for his response to my last post, which enabled me to find the original eight-page marriage contract between Marguerite and Brandelis de Caumont. For most of the intermediate generations I have relied almost exclusively on abstracts of original records contained in the ‘Cabinet des Titres’. I welcome any feedback on or critiques of my research.
1. Henry III Plantagenet, King of England = Eleanor of Provence
2. Beatrix Plantagenet = Jean II, Duc de Bretagne
Contemporary accounts of Beatrix’s birth (1242) and marriage (1260): ed. Luard, ‘Flores historiarum’ (1890) pgs. 256 and 441
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo.31924105775500&view=1up&seq=457
1279 indulgence by the Archbishop of Canterbury for those who prayed for the souls of Beatrix: ed. Martin, ‘Registrum epistolarum fratris Johannis Peckham’ (1882) pgs. 33-34
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=yale.39002013404562&view=1up&seq=87
1302 Will of Jean in the Charters of Nantes Cathedral: Lobineau, ‘Histoire de Bretagne, composée sur les titres’, (1707) pgs. 446-452
1306 given as year of death in chronicles of Brittany in Nantes Cathedral: Ibid., pg. 35
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Histoire_de_Bretagne_composée_sur_les_t/53nLJ6X1NykC?hl= en&gbpv=1
3. Artur II, Duc de Bretagne = Marie, Vicomtesse de Limoges
1262 given as birth year in a short chronicle from Nantes Cathedral: Lobineau ‘Hst. Btgn.’ [cit. gen. 2] pg. 369
1312 given as year of death in chronicles of Brittany in Nantes Cathedral: Ibid., pg. 35
1291 given as year of death of his consort, Marie, Vicomtesse de Limoges in a short chronicle from Nantes Cathedral: Ibid., pg. 372
4. Guy de Bretagne, Comte de Penthièvre = Jeanne d’Avaugour
1285 given as year of birth of Jean, eldest son of Artur II and the Vicomtesse de Limoges: Ibid., pg. 372
A transaction dated August 1320 states that Guy de Bretagne, Seigneur de Penthièvre and Jean III Duc de Bretagne have the same parents: Morice, ‘Memoires pour servir de preuves a l'histoire ecclesiastique et civile de Bretagne’ (1742) pgs. 1286-1291
https://www.google.com/books/edition/_/bNlOAAAAcAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0
A 1331 partition of Limoges between Jean III and Guy gives “Marie” as the name of their Mother, the Vicomtesse de Limoges: Lobineau, ‘Hst. Btgn.’ [cit. gen. 2] pgs. 465-466
1330 given as the year of death of Guy de Bretagne, Comte de Penthièvre, in Anual Chronicles of Brittany found in the manuscript collection of the Cathedral at Nantes by Pierre le Baud. It also names Jeanne d’Avaugour as his Consort: Ibid., pg. 363
1327 given as the year of death of Jeanne d’Avaugour, Ibid.
5. Jeanne de Bretagne, Comtesse de Penthièvre = Charles de Blois
1384 given as date of death of Jeanne de Bretagne and Charles de Blois as her Husband in Anual Chronicles of Brittany found in the manuscript collection of the Cathedral at Nantes by Pierre le Baud: Ibid., pgs. 364-365
An account of the death of Charles de Blois at the Battle of Auray is in Froissart’s Chronicle: ed. Buchon, ‘Les chroniques de Sire Jean Froisssart’ (1853) pgs. 496-497
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.c2740146&view=1up&seq=578
6. Jean de Bretagne, Comte de Penthièvre = Marguerite de Clisson
A 1393 transaction shows that Jean was a son of Charles de Blois: Chesnay, ‘Histoire de la maison de Chastillon sur Marne’ [proofs section] (1621) pg. 137
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Histoire_de_la_maison_de_Chastillon_sur/QtdDAAAAcAAJ?hl= en&gbpv=0
A letter dated 15 May 1371 shows that Jean was a son of “Jeanne, Duchesse de Bretagne”: Ibid., pgs. 130-131
An entry dated 18 December 1387 from the journal of the Bishop of Chartres gave the above date as that of the marriage contract between Jean de Bretagne and the daughter of Constable Olivier de Clisson: ed. Picard, ‘Journal de Jean Le Fèvre, évêque de Chartres’ (1887) pgs. 478-479
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uva.x000281903&view=1up&seq=576
1403 given as date of death of Jean de Bretagne, Comte de Penthièvre, in Anual Chronicles of Brittany found in the manuscript collection of the Cathedral at Nantes by Pierre le Baud: Lobineau, ‘Hst. Btgn.’ [cit. gen. 2] pgs. 364-365
8. Olivier de Bretagne, Comte de Penthièvre = ?
A document granting an audience to Marguerite de Clisson, widow of the Comte de Penthièvre dated 21 May 1405: Blanchard, ‘Lettres et mandements de Jean V, duc de Bretagne’ (1895) pgs. 5-6 https://www.google.com/books/edition/Lettres_et_mandements_de_Jean_V_duc_de_B/4aMKAAAAIA AJ?hl=en&gbpv=0
A published copy of the inscription of the tomb of Olivier de Clisson, Comte de Penthièvre in the Parish Church at Avesnes: Michaux, ‘Notice sur les principaux monument funéraires de l'église paroissiale d'Avesnes’ (1859) pg. 2
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Notice_sur_les_principaux_monument_funé/aD5YAAAAcAAJ? hl=en&gbpv=
9. Marguerite de Bretagne (bastard) = Brandelis de Caumont
Original marriage eight-page contract (in Latin). This document is conserved in the Archives Départementales de Pyrénées-Atlantiques, cote E 643: http://earchives.le64.fr/archives-en- ligne/ead.html?id=FRAD064003_IR0006&c=FRAD064003_IR0006_de-647&qid=
I’ve attached a link to where I’ve uploaded this document to Marguerite de Bretagne’s Geni profile (under “files”):
https://www.geni.com/people/Marguerite-de-Caumont/6000000009302927847?through=6000000009303359363#/tab/media
I cannot read medieval script, but I know the document’s contents from Jaurgain, ‘La Maison de Caumont-La-Force, généalogie de ses diverses branches’ (1912) pg. 84:
http://1886.u-bordeaux-montaigne.fr/items/show/9137
Abstract of the Will of Brandelis de Caumont, dated 1461. Brandelis left a dowry to his daughter Jeanne, ‘futur épouse’ of Antoine de Salignac (de Salinhaco). He also mentions his wife Marguerite, proving that she was still alive and therefore almost certainly the mother of Jeanne. http://1886.u-bordeaux- montaigne.fr/items/show/9137
10. Jeanne de Caumont = Antoine de Salignac
A copy of a 1487 transaction (?) in Latin involving Johanna de Caumont, Domina de Salanhaco. (Volumes consacré à l’histoire de l’Ordre du Saint-Esprit, I-CXX). This document proves that Jeanne de Caumont was still alive a year before the marriage of Hélène de Salignac and Marquis de Scorailles, and therefore almost certainly the mother of Hélène de Salignac (generation #11). https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b9001011d/f161.item
11. Hélène de Salignac = Marquis de Scorailles
A full Latin copy of a marriage contract dated 29 Aug 1488 gives Helena de Salanhaco as a daughter Anthonio Domino Salanhaco: (‘Volumes consacré à l’histoire de l’Ordre du Saint-Esprit’, I-CXX): https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b9001011d/f172.item
An abstract of the 1498 Will of Marquis de Scorailles gives his Son Louis (Cabinet des Titres, ‘Dossiers Bleus’, Fr. #30153): https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b100833812/f65.item
12. Louis de Scorailles = ?
An abstract of a 1557 transaction in which Louis de Scorailles, Seigneur de Rousilles, stated that his mother, Hélène de Salignac, was married on 21 July 1488 and died in 1525 (Ibid.)
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b100833812/f69.item
An abstract of the Will of Louis d’Ecorailles, Seigneur de Rousilles, dated 1560 mentioned a Daughter, Marie, wife of François de la Borde du Marilhe [sic.] (Ibid .) https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b100833812/f70.item
13. Marie de Scorailles = François de la Borde
See above
14. Gilbert de la Borde = Michelle de Veyny
Abstract of a marriage contract for Gilbert de la Borde, Seigneur du Mareilhe and du Mond, dated 20 September 1591. (Cabinet des Titres, ‘Carrés d’Hozier’, Fr. #30341) https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b10083727s/f39.item
A copy of a marriage contract dated 01 February 1595 of François de la Borde’s oldest son, Louis “l’aîné” de la Borde detailing the inheritance of François’ three younger sons Antoine, Gilbert, and Louis “le jeune”, all by his second wife Marie d’Escorailles. Both she and her husband are deceased. (Ibid.) https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b10083727s/f45.item
15. Marguerite de la Borde = François de la Rôche du Ronzet
An abstract of the marriage contract dated 28 January 1619 between François de la Roche, Seigneur du Ronzet, and Marguerite de la Borde, Daughter of Gilbert de la Borde Seigneur de Belline and Michelle du Veny from a set of 1773 proofs of nobility for the ‘Grande Écurie’: (Cabinet des Titres, ‘Nouveau d’Hozier’, Fr. #31512) https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b100819232/f308.item
16. Joseph de la Rôche = Gabrielle de la Blanchisse
An abstract of a baptism record dated 30 October 1622 in the Parish of Giat for Joseph, Son of François de la Roche, Seigneur du Ronzet and his Wife Marguerite de la Borde from a set of 1760 proofs of nobility for the ‘Grand Écurie’: (Ibid.) https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b100819232/f307.item
Abstract of a marriage contract dated 23 February 1648 between Joseph de la Roche, Seigneur du Ronzet, Son of François de la Roche Seigneur du Ronzet (deceased) and Marguerite de la Borde and Gabrielle de Blanchisse from the 1773 proofs cited above: (Ibid.) https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b100819232/f308.item
17. Antoine de la Rôche = Marie Silvie du Breul
Abstract of a baptism record dated 14 October 1664 in the Parish of Giat for Antoine, Son of Joseph de la Roche, Seigneur du Ronzet and his Wife, Gabrielle de la Blanchisse from the 1760 proofs cited above: (Ibid.) https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b100819232/f306.item
Abstract of a marriage contract dated 1 February 1704 between Captain Antoine de la Roche, Seigneur du Ronzet, Son of Joseph de la Roche, Seigneur du Ronzet, and Gabrielle de Blanchisse and Marie Silvio de Breul from the 1773 proofs cited above: (Ibid.) https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b100819232/f307.item
18. Claude de la Rôche du Ronzet = Jeanne Duplesis
A baptism record dated 01 August 1715 in the Parish of Malleret for Claude, Son of Major Antoine de la Roche, Seigneur de Galamaud and Marie Silvie de Breül: (Archives Départementales de Malleret la- Courtine, registre paroissiaux 1692-1761) image 97/118 https://archives.creuse.fr/arkotheque/visionneuse/visionneuse.php?arko=YTo2OntzOjQ6ImRhdGUiO3 M6MTA6IjIwMjAtMTAtMDgiO3M6MTA6InR5cGVfZm9uZHMiO3M6MTE6ImFya29fc2VyaWVsIjtzOjQ6InJl ZjEiO2k6MjtzOjQ6InJlZjIiO2k6NjM2NztzOjE2OiJ2aXNpb25uZXVzZV9odG1sIjtiOjE7czoyMToidmlzaW9ub mV1c2VfaHRtbF9tb2RlIjtzOjQ6InByb2QiO30=#uielem_move=0%2C229&uielem_islocked=0&uielem_zoo m=99&uielem_brightness=0&uielem_contrast=0&uielem_isinverted=0&uielem_rotate=F
Marriage record dated 16 April 1741 in Port Louis for Claude de la Roche du Ronzé and Jeanne Duplesis. This document is doubly important because Claude gave his home parish. (1741 register for Port-Louis, Mauritius) image 14/41: http://anom.archivesnationales.culture.gouv.fr/caomec2/osd.php?territoire=ILE%20DE%20FRANCE&co mmune=PORT-LOUIS&annee=1741
Death record dated 07 January 1787 in Pamplemousse for Claude de la Roche du Ronzet, Son of Antoine de la Roche du Ronzet, Seigneur de Ronzet, Mailleray, and Galmaud (1787 register for Pamplemousses, Mauritius) image 2/14: http://anom.archivesnationales.culture.gouv.fr/caomec2/osd.php?territoire=ILE%20DE%20FRANCE&co mmune=PAMPLEMOUSSES&annee=1787
Line to Charles of Valois:
1. Charles de Valois = Marguerite d’Anjou
2. Guy, Comte de Blois = Marguerite de Valois
That Marguerite, a Daughter of Charles de Valois and Sister to his Son Philip was to be married to Guy, a Son of Hughes, Comte de Blois, can be seen from their marriage contract dated October 1298. The date also proves that Marguerite was a daughter of Charles de Valois’ first wife, Marguerite d’Anjou, who died on 31 December 1299 according to her codicil:
du Chesne, ‘Histoire de la maison de Chastillon sur Marne’ [proofs section] (1621) pgs. 96-97
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Histoire_de_la_maison_de_Chastillon_sur/QtdDAAAAcAAJ?hl= en&gbpv=0
Guigniaut, de Wailly, ‘Contenant la deuxieme livraison des monumens des regnes’ (1855) pg. 403 https://www.google.com/books/edition/Contenant_la_deuxieme_livraison_des_monu/n2j e4y3KDq8C?hl=en&gbpv=1
3. Charles, Comte de Blois = Jeanne de Bretagne, Comtesse de Penthièvre
A contract dated 1341 between Guy, Comte de Blois, and Louis and Charles his sons: Chesne, ‘Hist. Mais. Chat.’ [cit. gen. 2] pg. 120
Letters dated 1337 referencing the marriage of Charles de Blois to the Countess of Penthièvre state that Charles is a Nephew of Philip VI of France: Ibid., pgs. 118-11
Josiah de la Motte
I’d like to present some research I’ve done recently attempting to prove overlapping royal lines to Henry III of England and Philip III of France for one of my ancestors, Claude de la Rôche du Ronzet, a captain in Colonial Mauritius. His line to Henry III of England is through the Dukes of Brittany, and both lines pass through Marguerite de Bretagne, an illegitimate daughter of OIivier de Blois, Comte de Penthièvre, and an unknown mistress. Many thanks to Peter Stewart for his response to my last post, which enabled me to find the original eight-page marriage contract between Marguerite and Brandelis de Caumont. For most of the intermediate generations I have relied almost exclusively on abstracts of original records contained in the ‘Cabinet des Titres’. I welcome any feedback on or critiques of my research.
1. Henry III Plantagenet, King of England = Eleanor of Provence
2. Beatrix Plantagenet = Jean II, Duc de Bretagne
Contemporary accounts of Beatrix’s birth (1242) and marriage (1260): ed. Luard, ‘Flores historiarum’ (1890) pgs. 256 and 441
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo.31924105775500&view=1up&seq=457
1279 indulgence by the Archbishop of Canterbury for those who prayed for the souls of Beatrix: ed. Martin, ‘Registrum epistolarum fratris Johannis Peckham’ (1882) pgs. 33-34
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=yale.39002013404562&view=1up&seq=87
1302 Will of Jean in the Charters of Nantes Cathedral: Lobineau, ‘Histoire de Bretagne, composée sur les titres’, (1707) pgs. 446-452
1306 given as year of death in chronicles of Brittany in Nantes Cathedral: Ibid., pg. 35
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Histoire_de_Bretagne_composée_sur_les_t/53nLJ6X1NykC?hl= en&gbpv=1
3. Artur II, Duc de Bretagne = Marie, Vicomtesse de Limoges
1262 given as birth year in a short chronicle from Nantes Cathedral: Lobineau ‘Hst. Btgn.’ [cit. gen. 2] pg. 369
1312 given as year of death in chronicles of Brittany in Nantes Cathedral: Ibid., pg. 35
1291 given as year of death of his consort, Marie, Vicomtesse de Limoges in a short chronicle from Nantes Cathedral: Ibid., pg. 372
4. Guy de Bretagne, Comte de Penthièvre = Jeanne d’Avaugour
1285 given as year of birth of Jean, eldest son of Artur II and the Vicomtesse de Limoges: Ibid., pg. 372
A transaction dated August 1320 states that Guy de Bretagne, Seigneur de Penthièvre and Jean III Duc de Bretagne have the same parents: Morice, ‘Memoires pour servir de preuves a l'histoire ecclesiastique et civile de Bretagne’ (1742) pgs. 1286-1291
https://www.google.com/books/edition/_/bNlOAAAAcAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0
A 1331 partition of Limoges between Jean III and Guy gives “Marie” as the name of their Mother, the Vicomtesse de Limoges: Lobineau, ‘Hst. Btgn.’ [cit. gen. 2] pgs. 465-466
1330 given as the year of death of Guy de Bretagne, Comte de Penthièvre, in Anual Chronicles of Brittany found in the manuscript collection of the Cathedral at Nantes by Pierre le Baud. It also names Jeanne d’Avaugour as his Consort: Ibid., pg. 363
1327 given as the year of death of Jeanne d’Avaugour, Ibid.
5. Jeanne de Bretagne, Comtesse de Penthièvre = Charles de Blois
1384 given as date of death of Jeanne de Bretagne and Charles de Blois as her Husband in Anual Chronicles of Brittany found in the manuscript collection of the Cathedral at Nantes by Pierre le Baud: Ibid., pgs. 364-365
An account of the death of Charles de Blois at the Battle of Auray is in Froissart’s Chronicle: ed. Buchon, ‘Les chroniques de Sire Jean Froisssart’ (1853) pgs. 496-497
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.c2740146&view=1up&seq=578
6. Jean de Bretagne, Comte de Penthièvre = Marguerite de Clisson
A 1393 transaction shows that Jean was a son of Charles de Blois: Chesnay, ‘Histoire de la maison de Chastillon sur Marne’ [proofs section] (1621) pg. 137
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Histoire_de_la_maison_de_Chastillon_sur/QtdDAAAAcAAJ?hl= en&gbpv=0
A letter dated 15 May 1371 shows that Jean was a son of “Jeanne, Duchesse de Bretagne”: Ibid., pgs. 130-131
An entry dated 18 December 1387 from the journal of the Bishop of Chartres gave the above date as that of the marriage contract between Jean de Bretagne and the daughter of Constable Olivier de Clisson: ed. Picard, ‘Journal de Jean Le Fèvre, évêque de Chartres’ (1887) pgs. 478-479
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uva.x000281903&view=1up&seq=576
1403 given as date of death of Jean de Bretagne, Comte de Penthièvre, in Anual Chronicles of Brittany found in the manuscript collection of the Cathedral at Nantes by Pierre le Baud: Lobineau, ‘Hst. Btgn.’ [cit. gen. 2] pgs. 364-365
8. Olivier de Bretagne, Comte de Penthièvre = ?
A document granting an audience to Marguerite de Clisson, widow of the Comte de Penthièvre dated 21 May 1405: Blanchard, ‘Lettres et mandements de Jean V, duc de Bretagne’ (1895) pgs. 5-6 https://www.google.com/books/edition/Lettres_et_mandements_de_Jean_V_duc_de_B/4aMKAAAAIA AJ?hl=en&gbpv=0
A published copy of the inscription of the tomb of Olivier de Clisson, Comte de Penthièvre in the Parish Church at Avesnes: Michaux, ‘Notice sur les principaux monument funéraires de l'église paroissiale d'Avesnes’ (1859) pg. 2
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Notice_sur_les_principaux_monument_funé/aD5YAAAAcAAJ? hl=en&gbpv=
9. Marguerite de Bretagne (bastard) = Brandelis de Caumont
Original marriage eight-page contract (in Latin). This document is conserved in the Archives Départementales de Pyrénées-Atlantiques, cote E 643: http://earchives.le64.fr/archives-en- ligne/ead.html?id=FRAD064003_IR0006&c=FRAD064003_IR0006_de-647&qid=
I’ve attached a link to where I’ve uploaded this document to Marguerite de Bretagne’s Geni profile (under “files”):
https://www.geni.com/people/Marguerite-de-Caumont/6000000009302927847?through=6000000009303359363#/tab/media
I cannot read medieval script, but I know the document’s contents from Jaurgain, ‘La Maison de Caumont-La-Force, généalogie de ses diverses branches’ (1912) pg. 84:
http://1886.u-bordeaux-montaigne.fr/items/show/9137
Abstract of the Will of Brandelis de Caumont, dated 1461. Brandelis left a dowry to his daughter Jeanne, ‘futur épouse’ of Antoine de Salignac (de Salinhaco). He also mentions his wife Marguerite, proving that she was still alive and therefore almost certainly the mother of Jeanne. http://1886.u-bordeaux- montaigne.fr/items/show/9137
10. Jeanne de Caumont = Antoine de Salignac
A copy of a 1487 transaction (?) in Latin involving Johanna de Caumont, Domina de Salanhaco. (Volumes consacré à l’histoire de l’Ordre du Saint-Esprit, I-CXX). This document proves that Jeanne de Caumont was still alive a year before the marriage of Hélène de Salignac and Marquis de Scorailles, and therefore almost certainly the mother of Hélène de Salignac (generation #11). https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b9001011d/f161.item
11. Hélène de Salignac = Marquis de Scorailles
A full Latin copy of a marriage contract dated 29 Aug 1488 gives Helena de Salanhaco as a daughter Anthonio Domino Salanhaco: (‘Volumes consacré à l’histoire de l’Ordre du Saint-Esprit’, I-CXX): https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b9001011d/f172.item
An abstract of the 1498 Will of Marquis de Scorailles gives his Son Louis (Cabinet des Titres, ‘Dossiers Bleus’, Fr. #30153): https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b100833812/f65.item
12. Louis de Scorailles = ?
An abstract of a 1557 transaction in which Louis de Scorailles, Seigneur de Rousilles, stated that his mother, Hélène de Salignac, was married on 21 July 1488 and died in 1525 (Ibid.)
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b100833812/f69.item
An abstract of the Will of Louis d’Ecorailles, Seigneur de Rousilles, dated 1560 mentioned a Daughter, Marie, wife of François de la Borde du Marilhe [sic.] (Ibid .) https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b100833812/f70.item
13. Marie de Scorailles = François de la Borde
See above
14. Gilbert de la Borde = Michelle de Veyny
Abstract of a marriage contract for Gilbert de la Borde, Seigneur du Mareilhe and du Mond, dated 20 September 1591. (Cabinet des Titres, ‘Carrés d’Hozier’, Fr. #30341) https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b10083727s/f39.item
A copy of a marriage contract dated 01 February 1595 of François de la Borde’s oldest son, Louis “l’aîné” de la Borde detailing the inheritance of François’ three younger sons Antoine, Gilbert, and Louis “le jeune”, all by his second wife Marie d’Escorailles. Both she and her husband are deceased. (Ibid.) https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b10083727s/f45.item
15. Marguerite de la Borde = François de la Rôche du Ronzet
An abstract of the marriage contract dated 28 January 1619 between François de la Roche, Seigneur du Ronzet, and Marguerite de la Borde, Daughter of Gilbert de la Borde Seigneur de Belline and Michelle du Veny from a set of 1773 proofs of nobility for the ‘Grande Écurie’: (Cabinet des Titres, ‘Nouveau d’Hozier’, Fr. #31512) https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b100819232/f308.item
16. Joseph de la Rôche = Gabrielle de la Blanchisse
An abstract of a baptism record dated 30 October 1622 in the Parish of Giat for Joseph, Son of François de la Roche, Seigneur du Ronzet and his Wife Marguerite de la Borde from a set of 1760 proofs of nobility for the ‘Grand Écurie’: (Ibid.) https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b100819232/f307.item
Abstract of a marriage contract dated 23 February 1648 between Joseph de la Roche, Seigneur du Ronzet, Son of François de la Roche Seigneur du Ronzet (deceased) and Marguerite de la Borde and Gabrielle de Blanchisse from the 1773 proofs cited above: (Ibid.) https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b100819232/f308.item
17. Antoine de la Rôche = Marie Silvie du Breul
Abstract of a baptism record dated 14 October 1664 in the Parish of Giat for Antoine, Son of Joseph de la Roche, Seigneur du Ronzet and his Wife, Gabrielle de la Blanchisse from the 1760 proofs cited above: (Ibid.) https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b100819232/f306.item
Abstract of a marriage contract dated 1 February 1704 between Captain Antoine de la Roche, Seigneur du Ronzet, Son of Joseph de la Roche, Seigneur du Ronzet, and Gabrielle de Blanchisse and Marie Silvio de Breul from the 1773 proofs cited above: (Ibid.) https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b100819232/f307.item
18. Claude de la Rôche du Ronzet = Jeanne Duplesis
A baptism record dated 01 August 1715 in the Parish of Malleret for Claude, Son of Major Antoine de la Roche, Seigneur de Galamaud and Marie Silvie de Breül: (Archives Départementales de Malleret la- Courtine, registre paroissiaux 1692-1761) image 97/118 https://archives.creuse.fr/arkotheque/visionneuse/visionneuse.php?arko=YTo2OntzOjQ6ImRhdGUiO3 M6MTA6IjIwMjAtMTAtMDgiO3M6MTA6InR5cGVfZm9uZHMiO3M6MTE6ImFya29fc2VyaWVsIjtzOjQ6InJl ZjEiO2k6MjtzOjQ6InJlZjIiO2k6NjM2NztzOjE2OiJ2aXNpb25uZXVzZV9odG1sIjtiOjE7czoyMToidmlzaW9ub mV1c2VfaHRtbF9tb2RlIjtzOjQ6InByb2QiO30=#uielem_move=0%2C229&uielem_islocked=0&uielem_zoo m=99&uielem_brightness=0&uielem_contrast=0&uielem_isinverted=0&uielem_rotate=F
Marriage record dated 16 April 1741 in Port Louis for Claude de la Roche du Ronzé and Jeanne Duplesis. This document is doubly important because Claude gave his home parish. (1741 register for Port-Louis, Mauritius) image 14/41: http://anom.archivesnationales.culture.gouv.fr/caomec2/osd.php?territoire=ILE%20DE%20FRANCE&co mmune=PORT-LOUIS&annee=1741
Death record dated 07 January 1787 in Pamplemousse for Claude de la Roche du Ronzet, Son of Antoine de la Roche du Ronzet, Seigneur de Ronzet, Mailleray, and Galmaud (1787 register for Pamplemousses, Mauritius) image 2/14: http://anom.archivesnationales.culture.gouv.fr/caomec2/osd.php?territoire=ILE%20DE%20FRANCE&co mmune=PAMPLEMOUSSES&annee=1787
Line to Charles of Valois:
1. Charles de Valois = Marguerite d’Anjou
2. Guy, Comte de Blois = Marguerite de Valois
That Marguerite, a Daughter of Charles de Valois and Sister to his Son Philip was to be married to Guy, a Son of Hughes, Comte de Blois, can be seen from their marriage contract dated October 1298. The date also proves that Marguerite was a daughter of Charles de Valois’ first wife, Marguerite d’Anjou, who died on 31 December 1299 according to her codicil:
du Chesne, ‘Histoire de la maison de Chastillon sur Marne’ [proofs section] (1621) pgs. 96-97
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Histoire_de_la_maison_de_Chastillon_sur/QtdDAAAAcAAJ?hl= en&gbpv=0
Guigniaut, de Wailly, ‘Contenant la deuxieme livraison des monumens des regnes’ (1855) pg. 403 https://www.google.com/books/edition/Contenant_la_deuxieme_livraison_des_monu/n2j e4y3KDq8C?hl=en&gbpv=1
3. Charles, Comte de Blois = Jeanne de Bretagne, Comtesse de Penthièvre
A contract dated 1341 between Guy, Comte de Blois, and Louis and Charles his sons: Chesne, ‘Hist. Mais. Chat.’ [cit. gen. 2] pg. 120
Letters dated 1337 referencing the marriage of Charles de Blois to the Countess of Penthièvre state that Charles is a Nephew of Philip VI of France: Ibid., pgs. 118-11
Josiah de la Motte
J. Sardina
Jan 5, 2021, 9:38:18 AM1/5/21
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On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 11:38:09 PM UTC-5, josiahd...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> I’d like to present some research I’ve done recently attempting to prove overlapping royal lines to Henry III of England and Philip III of France for one of my ancestors, Claude de la Rôche du Ronzet, a captain in Colonial Mauritius. His line to Henry III of England is through the Dukes of Brittany, and both lines pass through Marguerite de Bretagne, an illegitimate daughter of OIivier de Blois, Comte de Penthièvre, and an unknown mistress. Many thanks to Peter Stewart for his response to my last post, which enabled me to find the original eight-page marriage contract between Marguerite and Brandelis de Caumont. For most of the intermediate generations I have relied almost exclusively on abstracts of original records contained in the ‘Cabinet des Titres’. I welcome any feedback on or critiques of my research.
>
>
> 1. Henry III Plantagenet, King of England = Eleanor of Provence
>
> 2. Beatrix Plantagenet = Jean II, Duc de Bretagne
> Contemporary accounts of Beatrix’s birth (1242) and marriage (1260): ed. Luard, ‘Flores historiarum’ (1890) pgs. 256 and 441
> https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo.31924105775500&view=1up&seq=457
> Hello everyone,
>
> I’d like to present some research I’ve done recently attempting to prove overlapping royal lines to Henry III of England and Philip III of France for one of my ancestors, Claude de la Rôche du Ronzet, a captain in Colonial Mauritius. His line to Henry III of England is through the Dukes of Brittany, and both lines pass through Marguerite de Bretagne, an illegitimate daughter of OIivier de Blois, Comte de Penthièvre, and an unknown mistress. Many thanks to Peter Stewart for his response to my last post, which enabled me to find the original eight-page marriage contract between Marguerite and Brandelis de Caumont. For most of the intermediate generations I have relied almost exclusively on abstracts of original records contained in the ‘Cabinet des Titres’. I welcome any feedback on or critiques of my research.
>
>
> 1. Henry III Plantagenet, King of England = Eleanor of Provence
>
> 2. Beatrix Plantagenet = Jean II, Duc de Bretagne
> Contemporary accounts of Beatrix’s birth (1242) and marriage (1260): ed. Luard, ‘Flores historiarum’ (1890) pgs. 256 and 441
> https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo.31924105775500&view=1up&seq=457
> 8. Olivier de Bretagne, Comte de Penthièvre = ?
>
> A document granting an audience to Marguerite de Clisson, widow of the Comte de Penthièvre dated 21 May 1405: Blanchard, ‘Lettres et mandements de Jean V, duc de Bretagne’ (1895) pgs. 5-6 https://www.google.com/books/edition/Lettres_et_mandements_de_Jean_V_duc_de_B/4aMKAAAAIA AJ?hl=en&gbpv=0
>
> A published copy of the inscription of the tomb of Olivier de Clisson, Comte de Penthièvre in the Parish Church at Avesnes: Michaux, ‘Notice sur les principaux monument funéraires de l'église paroissiale d'Avesnes’ (1859) pg. 2
> https://www.google.com/books/edition/Notice_sur_les_principaux_monument_funé/aD5YAAAAcAAJ? hl=en&gbpv=
>
> 9. Marguerite de Bretagne (bastard) = Brandelis de Caumont
>
> Original marriage eight-page contract (in Latin). This document is conserved in the Archives Départementales de Pyrénées-Atlantiques, cote E 643: http://earchives.le64.fr/archives-en- ligne/ead.html?id=FRAD064003_IR0006&c=FRAD064003_IR0006_de-647&qid=
> I’ve attached a link to where I’ve uploaded this document to Marguerite de Bretagne’s Geni profile (under “files”):
>
> https://www.geni.com/people/Marguerite-de-Caumont/6000000009302927847?through=6000000009303359363#/tab/media
>
> I cannot read medieval script, but I know the document’s contents from Jaurgain, ‘La Maison de Caumont-La-Force, généalogie de ses diverses branches’ (1912) pg. 84:
> http://1886.u-bordeaux-montaigne.fr/items/show/9137
> Abstract of the Will of Brandelis de Caumont, dated 1461. Brandelis left a dowry to his daughter Jeanne, ‘futur épouse’ of Antoine de Salignac (de Salinhaco). He also mentions his wife Marguerite, proving that she was still alive and therefore almost certainly the mother of Jeanne. http://1886.u-bordeaux- montaigne.fr/items/show/9137
>
> 10. Jeanne de Caumont = Antoine de Salignac
>
> A copy of a 1487 transaction (?) in Latin involving Johanna de Caumont, Domina de Salanhaco. (Volumes consacré à l’histoire de l’Ordre du Saint-Esprit, I-CXX). This document proves that Jeanne de Caumont was still alive a year before the marriage of Hélène de Salignac and Marquis de Scorailles, and therefore almost certainly the mother of Hélène de Salignac (generation #11). https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b9001011d/f161.item
>
> 11. Hélène de Salignac = Marquis de Scorailles
>
> A full Latin copy of a marriage contract dated 29 Aug 1488 gives Helena de Salanhaco as a daughter Anthonio Domino Salanhaco: (‘Volumes consacré à l’histoire de l’Ordre du Saint-Esprit’, I-CXX): https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b9001011d/f172.item
>
> An abstract of the 1498 Will of Marquis de Scorailles gives his Son Louis (Cabinet des Titres, ‘Dossiers Bleus’, Fr. #30153): https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b100833812/f65.item
>
> 12. Louis de Scorailles = ?
>
> An abstract of a 1557 transaction in which Louis de Scorailles, Seigneur de Rousilles, stated that his mother, Hélène de Salignac, was married on 21 July 1488 and died in 1525 (Ibid.)
> https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b100833812/f69.item
>
> An abstract of the Will of Louis d’Ecorailles, Seigneur de Rousilles, dated 1560 mentioned a Daughter, Marie, wife of François de la Borde du Marilhe [sic.] (Ibid .) https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b100833812/f70.item
>
Hello
>
> A document granting an audience to Marguerite de Clisson, widow of the Comte de Penthièvre dated 21 May 1405: Blanchard, ‘Lettres et mandements de Jean V, duc de Bretagne’ (1895) pgs. 5-6 https://www.google.com/books/edition/Lettres_et_mandements_de_Jean_V_duc_de_B/4aMKAAAAIA AJ?hl=en&gbpv=0
>
> A published copy of the inscription of the tomb of Olivier de Clisson, Comte de Penthièvre in the Parish Church at Avesnes: Michaux, ‘Notice sur les principaux monument funéraires de l'église paroissiale d'Avesnes’ (1859) pg. 2
> https://www.google.com/books/edition/Notice_sur_les_principaux_monument_funé/aD5YAAAAcAAJ? hl=en&gbpv=
>
> 9. Marguerite de Bretagne (bastard) = Brandelis de Caumont
>
> Original marriage eight-page contract (in Latin). This document is conserved in the Archives Départementales de Pyrénées-Atlantiques, cote E 643: http://earchives.le64.fr/archives-en- ligne/ead.html?id=FRAD064003_IR0006&c=FRAD064003_IR0006_de-647&qid=
> I’ve attached a link to where I’ve uploaded this document to Marguerite de Bretagne’s Geni profile (under “files”):
>
> https://www.geni.com/people/Marguerite-de-Caumont/6000000009302927847?through=6000000009303359363#/tab/media
>
> I cannot read medieval script, but I know the document’s contents from Jaurgain, ‘La Maison de Caumont-La-Force, généalogie de ses diverses branches’ (1912) pg. 84:
> http://1886.u-bordeaux-montaigne.fr/items/show/9137
> Abstract of the Will of Brandelis de Caumont, dated 1461. Brandelis left a dowry to his daughter Jeanne, ‘futur épouse’ of Antoine de Salignac (de Salinhaco). He also mentions his wife Marguerite, proving that she was still alive and therefore almost certainly the mother of Jeanne. http://1886.u-bordeaux- montaigne.fr/items/show/9137
>
> 10. Jeanne de Caumont = Antoine de Salignac
>
> A copy of a 1487 transaction (?) in Latin involving Johanna de Caumont, Domina de Salanhaco. (Volumes consacré à l’histoire de l’Ordre du Saint-Esprit, I-CXX). This document proves that Jeanne de Caumont was still alive a year before the marriage of Hélène de Salignac and Marquis de Scorailles, and therefore almost certainly the mother of Hélène de Salignac (generation #11). https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b9001011d/f161.item
>
> 11. Hélène de Salignac = Marquis de Scorailles
>
> A full Latin copy of a marriage contract dated 29 Aug 1488 gives Helena de Salanhaco as a daughter Anthonio Domino Salanhaco: (‘Volumes consacré à l’histoire de l’Ordre du Saint-Esprit’, I-CXX): https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b9001011d/f172.item
>
> An abstract of the 1498 Will of Marquis de Scorailles gives his Son Louis (Cabinet des Titres, ‘Dossiers Bleus’, Fr. #30153): https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b100833812/f65.item
>
> 12. Louis de Scorailles = ?
>
> An abstract of a 1557 transaction in which Louis de Scorailles, Seigneur de Rousilles, stated that his mother, Hélène de Salignac, was married on 21 July 1488 and died in 1525 (Ibid.)
> https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b100833812/f69.item
>
> An abstract of the Will of Louis d’Ecorailles, Seigneur de Rousilles, dated 1560 mentioned a Daughter, Marie, wife of François de la Borde du Marilhe [sic.] (Ibid .) https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b100833812/f70.item
>
Congratulations on the hard work and the results.
I believe you can find additional information for the generations 10 through 12.
At least I have seen references to them while researching some families related to the Caumont that ended up not being in my lines.
I am not sure if enough documentation about those generations has survived to our times, but there may be articles from the 1800s about the Salignac, Scorailles and the Caumont.
I am sure I have seen an extensive work on the Caumont family through google books (though the hints were at geneanet).
I came across them while looking for information about a different de LaMothe family the Balaguier de Montsales from Bazadais, and the de Verduns.
Good luck,
J Sardina
Peter Stewart
Jan 5, 2021, 5:38:20 PM1/5/21
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On 05-Jan-21 3:38 PM, Josiah de la Motte wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> I’d like to present some research I’ve done recently attempting to prove overlapping royal lines to Henry III of England and Philip III of France for one of my ancestors, Claude de la Rôche du Ronzet, a captain in Colonial Mauritius. His line to Henry III of England is through the Dukes of Brittany, and both lines pass through Marguerite de Bretagne, an illegitimate daughter of OIivier de Blois, Comte de Penthièvre, and an unknown mistress. Many thanks to Peter Stewart for his response to my last post, which enabled me to find the original eight-page marriage contract between Marguerite and Brandelis de Caumont. For most of the intermediate generations I have relied almost exclusively on abstracts of original records contained in the ‘Cabinet des Titres’. I welcome any feedback on or critiques of my research.
>
>
> 1. Henry III Plantagenet, King of England = Eleanor of Provence
>
> 2. Beatrix Plantagenet = Jean II, Duc de Bretagne
> Contemporary accounts of Beatrix’s birth (1242) and marriage (1260): ed. Luard, ‘Flores historiarum’ (1890) pgs. 256 and 441
> https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo.31924105775500&view=1up&seq=457
>
> 1279 indulgence by the Archbishop of Canterbury for those who prayed for the souls of Beatrix: ed. Martin, ‘Registrum epistolarum fratris Johannis Peckham’ (1882) pgs. 33-34
> https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=yale.39002013404562&view=1up&seq=87
>
> 1302 Will of Jean in the Charters of Nantes Cathedral: Lobineau, ‘Histoire de Bretagne, composée sur les titres’, (1707) pgs. 446-452
>
> 1306 given as year of death in chronicles of Brittany in Nantes Cathedral: Ibid., pg. 35
> https://www.google.com/books/edition/Histoire_de_Bretagne_composée_sur_les_t/53nLJ6X1NykC?hl= en&gbpv=1
I don't have time to go through all of your post but in this case you
> Hello everyone,
>
> I’d like to present some research I’ve done recently attempting to prove overlapping royal lines to Henry III of England and Philip III of France for one of my ancestors, Claude de la Rôche du Ronzet, a captain in Colonial Mauritius. His line to Henry III of England is through the Dukes of Brittany, and both lines pass through Marguerite de Bretagne, an illegitimate daughter of OIivier de Blois, Comte de Penthièvre, and an unknown mistress. Many thanks to Peter Stewart for his response to my last post, which enabled me to find the original eight-page marriage contract between Marguerite and Brandelis de Caumont. For most of the intermediate generations I have relied almost exclusively on abstracts of original records contained in the ‘Cabinet des Titres’. I welcome any feedback on or critiques of my research.
>
>
> 1. Henry III Plantagenet, King of England = Eleanor of Provence
>
> 2. Beatrix Plantagenet = Jean II, Duc de Bretagne
> Contemporary accounts of Beatrix’s birth (1242) and marriage (1260): ed. Luard, ‘Flores historiarum’ (1890) pgs. 256 and 441
> https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo.31924105775500&view=1up&seq=457
>
> 1279 indulgence by the Archbishop of Canterbury for those who prayed for the souls of Beatrix: ed. Martin, ‘Registrum epistolarum fratris Johannis Peckham’ (1882) pgs. 33-34
> https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=yale.39002013404562&view=1up&seq=87
>
> 1302 Will of Jean in the Charters of Nantes Cathedral: Lobineau, ‘Histoire de Bretagne, composée sur les titres’, (1707) pgs. 446-452
>
> 1306 given as year of death in chronicles of Brittany in Nantes Cathedral: Ibid., pg. 35
> https://www.google.com/books/edition/Histoire_de_Bretagne_composée_sur_les_t/53nLJ6X1NykC?hl= en&gbpv=1
are trusting an unreliable source - the epitaph on Jean's tomb in the
Carmelite church at Ploërmel clearly states that he died at Lyon on
Thursday 18 November 1305 ("Cy gist Iehan jadis Duc de Bretagne, qui
trespassa a Lyon sur le Rhosne le jeudi ez octaves de la feste de Saint
Martin d'hyver, l'an M.CCC.V."). This is illustrated in vol. 1 of the
work you linked above for the wrong year (in vol. 2), see here:
https://books.google.com.au/books?id=Aq-lrEBJwTUC&pg=PA224-IA1&lpg=PA224-IA1.
Peter Stewart
Josiah de la Motte
Jan 5, 2021, 6:42:37 PM1/5/21
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Thanks, I forgot about that!
Josiah de la Motte
Josiah de la Motte
Olivier
Jan 7, 2021, 3:41:58 PM1/7/21
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Le mardi 5 janvier 2021 à 05:38:09 UTC+1, josiahd...@gmail.com a écrit :
> Hello everyone,
>
> I’d like to present some research I’ve done recently attempting to prove overlapping royal lines to Henry III of England and Philip III of France for one of my ancestors, Claude de la Rôche du Ronzet, a captain in Colonial Mauritius. His line to Henry III of England is through the Dukes of Brittany, and both lines pass through Marguerite de Bretagne, an illegitimate daughter of OIivier de Blois, Comte de Penthièvre, and an unknown mistress. Many thanks to Peter Stewart for his response to my last post, which enabled me to find the original eight-page marriage contract between Marguerite and Brandelis de Caumont. For most of the intermediate generations I have relied almost exclusively on abstracts of original records contained in the ‘Cabinet des Titres’. I welcome any feedback on or critiques of my research.
Claude de La Roche du Ronzet 1715-1787
> Hello everyone,
>
> I’d like to present some research I’ve done recently attempting to prove overlapping royal lines to Henry III of England and Philip III of France for one of my ancestors, Claude de la Rôche du Ronzet, a captain in Colonial Mauritius. His line to Henry III of England is through the Dukes of Brittany, and both lines pass through Marguerite de Bretagne, an illegitimate daughter of OIivier de Blois, Comte de Penthièvre, and an unknown mistress. Many thanks to Peter Stewart for his response to my last post, which enabled me to find the original eight-page marriage contract between Marguerite and Brandelis de Caumont. For most of the intermediate generations I have relied almost exclusively on abstracts of original records contained in the ‘Cabinet des Titres’. I welcome any feedback on or critiques of my research.
Génération 2
Sosa 2 - Antoine de La Roche du Ronzet, seigneur de Galemaud 1664-1728
Sosa 3 - Marie Sylvie du Breuil de La Brosse, dame de Galemaud 1678-1752
Génération 3
Sosa 4 - Joseph de La Roche, seigneur du Ronzet 1622-1704/
Sosa 7 - Gabrielle du Breuil, dame de La Brosse 1660-1711
Génération 4
Sosa 9 - Marguerite de La Borde 1599-1642/
Sosa 14 - Étienne du Breuil, seigneur de Védignat 1629-/1663
Sosa 15 - Marie Sylvie de Saint-Maur, dame de Lourdoueix-Saint-Pierre 1638-1691
Génération 5
Sosa 18 - Gilbert de Charlus de La Borde, écuyer
Sosa 29 - Jacqueline Autier de Villemontée
Sosa 31 - Gilberte de Chaslus, dame de Fretaise 1619-1644
Génération 6
Sosa 37 - Marie de Scorraille
Sosa 59 - Anne de Scorraille, dame de La Grange
Sosa 63 - Jeanne de Murat, dame de Viersat
Génération 7
Sosa 74 - Louis de Scorraille
Sosa 118 - François de Scorraille, seigneur de La Vigne-Escorailles
Sosa 127 - Marie-Sylvie de Cordebœuf de Beauverger de Montgon
Génération 8
Sosa 149 - Léonne de Salignac
Sosa 236 - François de Scorraille, seigneur de Scorailles ca 1500-1571
Sosa 255 - Marguerite de Monestay ca 1552-1573/
Génération 9
Sosa 299 - Jeanne de Caumont
Sosa 511 - Jeanne de Mauvoisin ca 1530-1562/
Génération 10
Sosa 599 - Marguerite de Châtillon-Blois ca 1420-ca 1484
Sosa 1 023 - Jacquette de Brisay
Génération 11
Sosa 1 198 - Olivier de Châtillon, comte de Penthièvre ca 1389-1433
Sosa 2 047 - Marquise de Menou, dame de Vauzelle
Génération 12
Sosa 2 396 - Jean Ier de Châtillon, vicomte de Limoges ca 1340-1404
Sosa 2 397 - Marguerite de Clisson, dame de Champtoceau ca 1366-1441
Sosa 4 095 - Andrée de Noroy, dame de Manteresse †1518
Génération 13
Sosa 4 793 - Jeanne Ière la Boiteuse de Penthièvre, duchesse de Bretagne 1319-1384
Sosa 4 795 - Catherine Béatrix de Laval, dame de Villemomble ca 1336-/1378
Sosa 8 191 - Augusta Bouchard d'Aubeterre †/1460
Génération 14
Sosa 9 586 - Guy de Dreux, comte de Penthièvre 1287-1331
Sosa 9 591 - Béatrice de Dreux, dame de Hédé 1295-1384
Sosa 16 383 - Marguerite de Montberon, dame de Mautresse
Génération 15
Sosa 19 172 - Arthur II de Dreux, duc de Bretagne 1262-1312
Sosa 32 767 - Marie, dame de Maulevrier †1406/
Génération 16
Sosa 38 345 - Beatrice, princess of England 1242-1275
Sosa 65 535 - Béatrice de Craon †1356
Génération 17
Sosa 76 690 - Henry III, King of England 1207-1272
Sosa 131 071 - Marguerite de Dampierre ca 1315-1372/
Génération 18
Sosa 262 143 - Béatrix de Châtillon 1292/-
Génération 19
Sosa 524 287 - Marie de Dreux, dame d'Elincourt 1268-1339
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Claude de La Roche du Ronzet 1715-1787
Génération 2
Sosa 2 - Antoine de La Roche du Ronzet, seigneur de Galemaud 1664-1728
Sosa 3 - Marie Sylvie du Breuil de La Brosse, dame de Galemaud 1678-1752
Génération 3
Sosa 4 - Joseph de La Roche, seigneur du Ronzet 1622-1704/
Sosa 7 - Gabrielle du Breuil, dame de La Brosse 1660-1711
Génération 4
Sosa 9 - Marguerite de La Borde 1599-1642/
Sosa 14 - Étienne du Breuil, seigneur de Védignat 1629-/1663
Génération 5
Sosa 18 - Gilbert de Charlus de La Borde, écuyer
Sosa 29 - Jacqueline Autier de Villemontée
Génération 6
Sosa 37 - Marie de Scorraille
Sosa 59 - Anne de Scorraille, dame de La Grange
Génération 7
Sosa 74 - Louis de Scorraille
Sosa 118 - François de Scorraille, seigneur de La Vigne-Escorailles
Génération 8
Sosa 149 - Léonne de Salignac
Sosa 236 - François de Scorraille, seigneur de Scorailles ca 1500-1571
Génération 9
Sosa 299 - Jeanne de Caumont
Génération 10
Sosa 599 - Marguerite de Châtillon-Blois ca 1420-ca 1484
Génération 11
Sosa 1 198 - Olivier de Châtillon, comte de Penthièvre ca 1389-1433
Génération 12
Sosa 2 396 - Jean Ier de Châtillon, vicomte de Limoges ca 1340-1404
Génération 13
Sosa 4 792 - Charles de Châtillon, duc de Bretagne 1319-1364
Génération 14
Sosa 9 585 - Marguerite de Valois 1295-1342
Génération 15
Sosa 19 170 - Charles Ier, comte de Valois 1270-1325
Génération 16
Sosa 38 340 - Philippe III le Hardi, roi de France 1245-1285
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