C.P. Addition: Joan Boteler, wife of Hamon Belknap, Esq., and John Dedham, Knt.

[Douglas Richardson]

Dear Newsgroup ~

Complete Peerage 12(1) (1953): 419-421 (sub Sudeley) has a good account of Ralph Boteler, K.G., Lord Sudeley, Chief Butler of the Royal Household, Chief Chamberlain to the regent Bedford, Lord High Treasurer, who died without issue in 1473. At his death, his heirs were found to be John Norbury, son of Sir Henry Norbury, son of Elizabeth, one of his sisters and co-heirs, and William Belknap, son of Hamon Belknap, by Joan, the other sister and coheir. No particulars are given by Complete Peerage regarding Lord Sudeley's sister, Joan Boteler, and her husband, Hamon Belknap.

My research indicates that Joan Boteler married twice: (1st) to Hamon (or Hamond) Belknap, Esq. [died 1429], and (2nd) John Dedham, Knt. [died 1429/34]. Joan Boteler's 2nd marriage to Sir John Dedham is proven by a Chancery lawsuit found in the online Discovery catalogue:

"Reference: C 1/11/497

Plaintiffs: Joan, late the wife of John Dedham, knt. and sometime the wife of Hamond Bealknap, esq. and John, son of the said Hamond.

Defendants: John Ferby, feoffee of the said John Hamond.

Subject: Manors of Crockenhill (Crokhornhull) and Kingsnorth (Kyngesnode), Kent

Date: 1432-1443, possibly 1467-1470" END OF QUOTE.

The above lawsuit is dated as being 1432-1443, or possibly 1467-1470, but this date can be considerably narrowed. It is known that Joan Boteler's son, John Belknap, died shortly before 16 October 1436 [Reference: Cal. of Fine Rolls, 16 (1936): 298, 309]. As such, the date of the lawsuit would necessarily fall in the period, 1432-1436.

As for Joan Boteler's death date, contemporary records indicate that Lady Joan Dedham was granted a tun a red wine yearly for life by the king 7 Nov. 1443. She died before 23 Dec. 1444, on which date the king granted her first cousin, William Beauchamp, king's knight, one of the king's carvers, two pipes of red wine yearly in the port of London, "as Joan Dedham had."

To date, I've been unable to obtain any particulars of Joan Boteler's 2nd husband, Sir John Dedham, who evidently died sometime between 1429 and 1434. If anyone knows of any records of this man, I'd be interested in knowing about them.

I've copied below my current file account of Joan (Boteler) (Belknap) Dedham. For further particulars regarding her ancestry and descendants, please see my book, Royal Ancestry [5 volume set], published in 2013.

For interest's sake, below is a list of the 17th Century New World immigrants that descend from Joan (Boteler) (Belknap) Dedham:

Robert Abell, Dorothy Beresford, Elizabeth Bosvile, Charles Calvert, Matthew Kempe, Mary Johanna Somerset, Francis & Hawte Wyatt.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

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JOAN BOTELER, married before 1412 HAMON (or HAMOND) BELKNAP (or BEALKNAP), Esq., of Knelle (in Beckley), Sussex, Elmdon Lee (in Elmdon), Essex, Kingsnorth, Orpington, Ringwold (in Walmer), and Sentling (in St. Mary Cray), Kent, Household Treasurer of John, Duke of Bedford, 1422-3, son and heir of Robert Belknap, Knt., of Knelle (in Beckley), Sussex, Sentling (in St. Mary Cray), Kent, etc., Chief Justice of the Common Pleas, by Juliane, daughter of John Darset, of Essex. He was born about 1390 (aged 24 in 1414). They had four sons, John, William, Esq., Henry (or Harry), Esq., and Philip, Esq., and two daughters, Elizabeth and Griselde (wife of John Hende, Esq.). In 1414 he was among those appointed to repair the sea defences and land drainage between the port of the town of Rye and the bridge of Bodiam, Sussex. He was among the captains in the retinue of John, Duke of Bedford at the Battle of Agincourt 25 October 1415. In 1418 Margery Salerne, widow and executrix of John Salerne, of Iden, Sussex sued Hamon Belknap, Gent., of Beckley, Sussex in the Court of Common Pleas regarding a debt of £40. In 1422 he sued Richard West, of Littlebury, Essex, husbandman in the Court of Common Pleas regarding a debt of £20. In 1426 he successfully petitioned the king for a reversal of his father's attainder. HAMON BELKNAP, Esq., died 4 Jan. 1429. His widow, Joan, married (2nd) before 29 June 1434 JOHN DEDHAM, Knt. In 1434 John Bealknap granted his mother, Dame Joan Dedham, widow of John Dedham, Knt., and John Feriby the elder a letter of attorney to sue, collect, recover, and receive rents, moneys, and profits of all his lands in St. Mary Cray, St. Paul Cray, and elsewhere in Kent. In the period, 1432-36, Joan, widow of John Dedham, Knt., and sometime the wife of Hamond Bealknap, Esq., and John, son of the said Hamond, sued John Feriby, feoffee, in Chancery regarding the manors of Crockenhill and Kingsnorth, Kent. Lady Joan Dedham was granted a tun a red wine yearly for life by the king 7 Nov. 1443. Joan died before 23 Dec. 1444, on which date the king granted her cousin, William Beauchamp, king's knight, one of the king's carvers, two pipes of red wine yearly in the port of London, "as Joan Dedham had."

References:

Dugdale, Antiqs. of Warwickshire (1656): 772 (Sudeley-Boteler ped.). Dugdale, Antiqs. of Warwickshire (1730): 521-523. Dallaway, Hist. of the Western Div. of Sussex 2(2) (1830): 76-77. Misc. Gen. et Heraldica 1st Ser. 2 (1876): 333-334. Hawley et al., Vis. of Essex 1552, 1558, 1570, 1612 & 1634 2 (H.S.P. 14) (1879): 563-565 (Misc. Peds.) (Cooke ped.: "Sr Hamond Belknap Knight Lord Treasurer of Normandy. = Jone d. and coheir of Sr Thomas Butler."). Cleveland, Battle Abbey Roll 3 (1889): 284-285. Benolte et al., Vis. of Surrey 1530, 1572 & 1623 (H.S.P. 43) (1899): 219-221 (Vincent ped.: "Joane [Botteler] d. & coheire vx. Sir John Belknap Knt. Threaseror of Normandy."). Surrey Arch. Colls. 19 (1906): 27-32. C.P.R. 1441-1446 (1908): 218, 318. Rpt. on the MSS of Lord de L'Isle & Dudley 1 (Hist. MSS Comm. 77) (1925): 164-165. C.P. 5 (1926): 320-321 (sub Ferrers); 12(1) (1953): 421, footnote n (sub Sudeley). C.C.R. 1422-1429 (1933): 441. C.C.R. 1429-1435 (1933): 315. C.F.R. 16 (1936): 33. C.C.R. 1435-1441 (1937): 86. Jacob, Reg. of Henry Chichele 2 (Canterbury & York Soc. 42) (1937): 640 (biog. of Juliana Belknap). VCH Sussex 9 (1937): 144-145 (Belknap arms: Azure, three eagles bendwise between two cotises argent). Berkshire Arch. Jour. 44 (1940): 123-127. VCH Essex 4 (1956): 243. Paget, Baronage of England (1957) 82: 7. Ancient Deeds -- Ser. DD (List & Index Soc. 200) (1983): 314. Stratford Bedford Inventories (1993): 248, 404, 424. Cal. IPM 23 (2004): 117-119. Canterbury Cathedral Archives: Dean & Chapter Archive, CCA-DCc-ChAnt/O/107 (available at www.a2a.org.uk/search/index.asp). Court of Common Pleas, CP40/647, image 532d (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT1/H6/CP40no647/bCP40no647dorses/IMG_0532.htm). Court of Common Pleas, CP40/629, image 457f (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/H5/CP40no629/aCP40no629fronts/IMG_0457.htm). National Archives, C 1/11/497; SC 8/25/1206 (available at www.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/search.asp).

Children of Joan Boteler, by Hamon Belknap, Esq.:

i. JOHN BELKNAP, of Sentling (in St. Mary Cray), Kent, son and heir. He was granted livery of his father's lands 6 Dec. 1433. He died shortly before 16 October 1436. On 13 Dec. 1436 the king ordered that his lands in Orpington, Kent be partitioned between his brothers, William, Henry, and Philip Bealknap. Dallaway, Hist. of the Western Div. of Sussex 2(2) (1830): 76-78 (Shelley ped.). C.C.R. 1429-1435 (1933): 269, 315. C.C.R. 1435-1441 (1937): 86.

ii. WILLIAM BELKNAP, Esq., of Sentling (in St. Mary Cray), Kent, Sheriff of Surrey and Sussex, 1446-7, 2nd son. He was heir in 1436 to his brother, John Belknap. He was co-heir in 1473 to his uncle, Ralph Boteler, K.G., Lord Sudeley. Dallaway, Hist. of the Western Div. of Sussex 2(2) (1830): 76-78 (Shelley ped.). Coll. Top. et Gen. 5 (1838): 7-11 (sub Sudeley). List of Sheriffs for England & Wales (PRO Lists and Indexes 9) (1898): 136. C.C.R. 1435-1441 (1937): 86. Stokes et al., Warwickshire Feet of Fines 3 (Dugdale Soc. 18) (1943): 182. VCH Warwick 5 (1949): 69-77. C.P. 12(1) (1953): 421, footnote n (sub Sudeley).

iii. HENRY (or HARRY) BELKNAP, Esq. [see next].

iv. PHILIP BELKNAP, Esq., of The Moat (in Canterbury), Kent, married ISABEL (or ELIZABETH) WOODHOUSE [see FINCH 16].

v. ELIZABETH BELKNAP, married WILLIAM FERRERS, Knt., of Chartley, Staffordshire [see FERRERS 14].

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On Friday, August 8, 2014 1:01:26 PM UTC-7, Douglas Richardson wrote:
> Dear Newsgroup ~
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> Complete Peerage 12(1) (1953): 419-421 (sub Sudeley) has a good account of Ralph Boteler, K.G., Lord Sudeley, Chief Butler of the Royal Household, Chief Chamberlain to the regent Bedford, Lord High Treasurer, who died without issue in 1473. At his death, his heirs were found to be John Norbury, son of Sir Henry Norbury, son of Elizabeth, one of his sisters and co-heirs, and William Belknap, son of Hamon Belknap, by Joan, the other sister and coheir. No particulars are given by Complete Peerage regarding Lord Sudeley's sister, Joan Boteler, and her husband, Hamon Belknap.
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> My research indicates that Joan Boteler married twice: (1st) to Hamon (or Hamond) Belknap, Esq. [died 1429], and (2nd) John Dedham, Knt. [died 1429/34]. Joan Boteler's 2nd marriage to Sir John Dedham is proven by a Chancery lawsuit found in the online Discovery catalogue:
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> "Reference: C 1/11/497
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> Plaintiffs: Joan, late the wife of John Dedham, knt. and sometime the wife of Hamond Bealknap, esq. and John, son of the said Hamond.
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> Defendants: John Ferby, feoffee of the said John Hamond.
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> Subject: Manors of Crockenhill (Crokhornhull) and Kingsnorth (Kyngesnode), Kent
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> Date: 1432-1443, possibly 1467-1470" END OF QUOTE.
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In the context of the CP article on Ralph Boteler, Baron Sudeley, it's not surprising or inappropriate that "No particulars are given....regarding Lord Sudeley's sister, Joan Boteler, and her husband, Hamon Belknap ", as such information is peripheral and superfluous to the point of the CP mention of John Boteler here.

OTOH the earlier editions of the Richardson works Plantagenet Ancestry and Magna Carta Ancestry do give extensive accounts of Joan Boteler and her husband Hamon Belknap - without mentioning Joan's second husband Sir John Dedham. Apparently their author overlooked the fact that the Chancery lawsuit discussed here was noted way back in 1901 in the PRO's "Lists and Indexes" series - including the reference to both of Joan Boteler's husbands. See page 102 here: http://books.google.com/books?id=uBwRAAAAYAAJ

For those who are interested in such matters, three of the six children of Joan Boteler and Hamon Belknap are ancestral to the present Duke of Cambridge.

[karen sims via]

When little Juliana Writtell (called Joan in the IPM for her father) died
in 1509 (descent - John Hende the Elder and Griselda Belknap, Joan Hende
and Walter Writtle, John Writtle and Anne Starkey, John Writtle and Audrey
Shaa) her heirs were

the 2 daughters of Walter Writtle and Keatherine Boston
Edward Belknap son of Henry, brother of Griselda
and John Basset
"The grantee (John Bassset) is kinsman and heir of Juliana Writtell and
John her father (who both died as minors in the King's wardship), and
kinsman and heir of John Hynde, late mayor of London, viz., son of John,
son of Catherine daughter of Amy, sister of John Hynde, father of John,
father of Joan, mother of John Writtell, father of John, father of Juliana"
Letters and Papers Henry VIIIVolume 1 Part 1

http://books.google.com/books?id=4ysMAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA102 and page 103

If Alice wife of Robert Lainham is the daughter of John Hende, mayor of
London (or grandaughter of John Hende depending on which visitation you
look at ) why wouldn't a Lainham or a Carrington-Smith also have been a
co-heir?

http://books.google.com/books?id=0m1KAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA34 and page 173

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