"John Bernard, of Abington Manor, co. Northants., born ca. 1469, died
1508, is usually said to have been the son of John Bernard and
Margaret Scrope, and to have married a woman named "Margaret
Daundelyn". However, the Inquistion Post Mortem of John [Inq.P.M.
Henry VII # 568] shows that this is not completely correct. It states
that John died 24 Aug 1508; that his mother's name was Mary, not
Margaret, and that he had married, at Blisworth, to MARGARET WAKE,
daughter of Roger Wake and Elizabeth his wife, who later married Sir
John Grey."
W.E. Hampton - in yet another article, 'Roger Wake of Blisworth',
published in the 1985 book "Richard III: Crown and People", edited by
J. Petre -states "He [Roger Wake of Blisworth] appointed as his
executors his wife, Thomas Parmenter, Master of the Hospital of St
John the Baptist at Northampton, John Barnard, esquire, his
son-in-law, and William Wake the elder. [footnote: CIPM H VII, Vol.
II, no. 847, pp. 543-4.]"
"The inquisition further states that his heir was his son
John, then age 18, who had married at Earls Barton 16 Jan 1507/8
Cecily, daughter of John Muscote."
Hampton, in a pedigree chart, names only one child, a son "Richard"
for Margaret Wake and John Barnard.
"I have regrettably not examined the Visitations of Northamptonshire
for the Bernard families, but this Inquisition does raise several
interesting questions. If John (died 1508) was in fact the son of a
woman named Mary, this calls into question the royal descent traced
through Margaret Scrope."
There may be another royal descent - from Edward I. Hampton theorizes
that Roger Wake of Blisworth's mother was Margaret, daughter of Sir
Lewis John, by Anne, daughter of John Montacute, Earl of Salisbury.
"The name "Mary" may be a transcription error
for an abbreviation ("Marg", perhaps?) or alternately, the mother's
name was Mary Scrope, not Margaret."
Hampton in the pedigree says John was the "son of John Barnard of
Abyngdon, Northants, who d. October 1485, and Margaret, sister of
John, Lord Scrope of Bolton."
Digging out my copy of the Scrope article in Dugdale's Visitation of
Yorkshire, we have as the third and final listed daughter of the 4th
Lord Scrope of Bolton: "Margaret, mar. first William Plessington,
secondly Hugh Stafford, thirdly John Bernard, of Abingdon." No Mary -
the other two daughters are named Agnes and Elizabeth.
I would guess you're right - 'Margaret' was really 'Mary', or vice
versa.
"A Wake pedigree which I have not seen, but which is filed in the LDS
Ancestral File, does show Roger Wake and his wife Elizabeth Catesby
having a daughter, Margaret, married to "John Barnard.". There is no
mention of a second spouse for Margaret Wake, but it is possible that
she had a second husband, which might account for the "Daundelyn"
surname applied to her in works such as "Magna Carta Sureties" and
frequently quoted in soc.genealogy.medieval."
John Barnard is the only husband that Hampton lists for Margaret Wake.
"The lineage of Margaret Wake would seem to be as follows: (taken
partly from Ancestral File, augmented by some other internet sources,
but would need extensive documentation.)"
[snip of early generations]
Hampton on the Wake origins says only: "The Wakes of Blisworth derive
their descent from the last Lord wake's great-uncle, Sir Hugh, lord of
Blisworth in Northamptonshire, and Deeping in Lincolnshire, who in
1313 was pardoned for his share in the killing of Piers Gaveston.
[footnote: 'Burke's Peerage and Baronetage', from which much of the
foregoing information is obtained.]"
It's interesting to note that Piers Gaveston had the right to the
marriage of royal ward Thomas Wake at the time Hugh Wake helped kill
him.
"Sir THOMAS WAKE, of Blisworth, b. ca. 1402 d. 10 Dec 1458, m. AGNES
LOVELL (d. 14 Oct 1471), dau. & coheiress of Sir Thomas Lovell, of
Clevedon, co. Somerset (a marriage date of 30 Sep 1432 is given for
this couple—source unknown)"
Hampton agrees with this completely in his Wake pedigree, and only
adds that this Thomas Wake was Sheriff of Northampton 1434/5-1450.
"Sir THOMAS WAKE, of Blisworth, born ca. 1433, d. 20 May 1476, married
first, AGNES LOVETT, apparently dau. of Thomas Lovett, lord of the
manors of Astwell, Flacote, Gifford alias Billing, and Wappenham, high
sheriff of co. Northampton (who died 16 Feb 7 Henry VII (1491/2 and
was bur. at Biddlesdon Abbey). [See note below]"
Now we get into discrepancy. Hampton states "He [Roger Wake] was the
eldest surviving son of Thomas Wake by a wife whose name is not
recorded. It is just possible that a monumental brass may provide the
answer to the problem of her identity. At Ingrave, in Essex, may be
seen the brass to Margaret, daughter of Sir Lewes John by Anne,
daughter of John Montacute, Earl of Salisbury. She married twice,
possibly thrice. Her first husband was Sir William Lucy, and her
second was a Wake. His Christian name has not survived. The
inscription is mutilated. [footnote: Margaret died 1466. Like Thomas
Wake, Sir Lewis John was a supporter of the Earl of Warwick. He was
slain, fighting for the Earl, at Barnet. A shield of arms from
Margaret's brass, possibly still loose in the vestry of Ingrave
Church, appears to point to a third, unrecorded, marriage - to a
Goshalm. Her Wake husband could possibly be Thomas Wake of Mordon,
Cambridge, whose will was proved in 1466. In 1465, several notables,
and the Sheriffs of six counties, were ordered to arrest her, Dame
Margaret Lucy, Thomas Wake, esquire, and Thomas Pachet. They were to
be brought before the King in Chancery.]"
The eldest son and heir of Thomas Wake - Roger Wake's elder brother -
was slain at Edgecot near Banbury in 1469, which means Thomas and his
first wife were probably married by the early 1450s. They had two
other sons and a daughter. Hampton states: "In December 1469 the
broken-minded Lord Latimer died. His widow, the Lady Elizabeth
Latimer, daughter of Richard Beauchamp, Earl of Warwick, soon after
became the second wife of Thomas Wake."
"ROGER WAKE, of Blisworth, * ca. 1452? + 16 Mar 1503/4, married
ELIZABETH CATESBY, daughter of Sir William Catesby, of Ashby St.
Ledgers, co. Northants. (died 1470, bur. Ashby St. Ledgers),
presumably by his second wife Joan Barre. Elizabeth survived him and
married second, Sir John Grey, a son of the 1 Marquess of Dorset."
Hampton states Roger Wake and Elizabeth Catesby were married by 1479.
He also says, "Elizabeth married again, her second husband being a man
who must have been considerably her junior. He was John Grey, younger
[in his pedigree, Hampton calls him third surviving] son of Thomas,
Marquess of Dorset. According to Dugdale, Dorset's [in the pedigree,
sixth] daughter Margaret married Richard Wake, of Blisworth, Elizabeth
Wake's second son, from whom today's Wakes descend."
"[Regarding the wife of the last Sir Thomas Wake (d. 1476). LDS
Ancestral File shows her as "Agnes Lovell", which is exactly the same
name as his mother. However, a website
[http://www.combs-families.org/combs/assoc/lovett/memorials.htm]
indicates that she was Agnes Lovett, and she is described as a
daughter of the above-mentioned Thomas Lovett. The same website,
however, also states that a man named John Broke married first,
Margaret, daughter of Thomas Lovett, and second, Isabel, daughter of
Sir Thomas Wake and Agnes. If this is correct, then John would have
married his first wife's niece, which as I recall would have been
ecclesiastically unacceptable.]"
According to Hampton's pedigree, the one sister of Roger Wake of
Blisworth was "Isabel, m. John Broke".
Hope this helps.
Cheers, ------Brad