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C.P. Addition: Death date of Joan le Despenser, wife of Thomas de Furnival, 1st Lord Furnival

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Douglas Richardson

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Aug 27, 2017, 11:47:01 AM8/27/17
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Dear Newsgroup ~

Complete Peerage 5 (1926): 581-582 (sub Furnivallle) includes a good biography of Sir Thomas de Furnival, 1st Lord Furnival, who died in 1332. Regarding his first marriage, the following information is given:

"He married, 1stly, before Jan. 1272/3 (at which date he was a minor), Joan, daughter of Sir Hugh le Despenser, of Ryhall, Rutland, Loughborough, co. Leicester, Parlington, co. York, &c., sometime Justiciar of England, by Aline, daughter and heiress of Sir Philip Basset, of Wycombe, Bucks, &c., also Justiciar of England." END OF QUOTE.

The following documentation is provided for this marriage on page 581, footnote g, which reads:

"Close Roll, 1 Edward I, m. 10 d."

The modern printed reference to the above citation is Calendar of Close Rolls, 1272–1279 (1900): 41. This record is an agreement dated 13 Jan. 1272/3 regarding the already contracted marriage of Thomas, son of Thomas de Furnival, and Joan, daughter of Hugh le Despenser.

The above record may be viewed at the following weblink:

https://www.archive.org/stream/calendarclosero03changoog#page/n51/mode/2up

This marriage surely took place, as among the children of Thomas de Furnival is a daughter named Aline, which daughter was doubtless named for Joan le Despenser's mother, Aline Basset, Countess of Norfolk.

As we can see, Complete Peerage gives no indication as to when Joan le Despenser died. Nor have I seen her death date is any other published source. However, recently I located a Common Pleas lawsuit which indicates that Joan died testate sometime before Hilary term 1314. The lawsuit in question is abstracted below.

In Hilary term 1314 Stephen de Stanham sued Thomas de Furnivall, Adam de Brom, and John, parson of the church of Whistan, Yorkshire, executors of the will of Joan late the wife of Thomas de Furnivall, in the Court of Common Pleas regarding a debt of 100s.

Reference: Court of Common Pleas, CP40/204, image 229f (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/E2/CP40no204/aCP40no204fronts/IMG_0229.htm).

For interest's sake, below is a list of the numerous 17th Century New World immigrants that descend from Sir Thomas de Furnival, 1st Lord Furnival (died 1332), and his 1st wife, Joan le Despenser:

Robert Abell, William Asfordby, Christopher Batt, Henry, Thomas & William Batte, William Bladen, George & Nehemiah Blakiston, Thomas Booth, Thomas Bressey, Obadiah Bruen, Stephen Bull, Edward Carleton, Kenelm Cheseldine, Grace Chetwode, Henry Corbin, Thomas Dudley, John Fenwick, John Fisher, Gerard Fowke, Thomas Greene, Muriel Gurdon, John Ireland, Samuel & Sarah Levis, Agnes Mackworth, Roger & Thomas Mallory, Anne, Elizabeth & John Mansfield, Anne & Katherine Marbury, Anne Mauleverer, Joseph & Mary Need, Philip & Thomas Nelson, Ellen Newton, Thomas Owsley, John Oxenbridge, Thomas Rudyard, Richard Saltonstall, Diana & Grey Skipwith, Mary Johanna Somerset, James Taylor, Margaret Touteville.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah



gdco...@gmail.com

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Aug 31, 2017, 1:57:35 PM8/31/17
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Thanks for that tidbit. Could you give the line to Obadiah Bruen? I'm not seeing it.

Thanks,

Greg Cooke

Douglas Richardson

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Sep 2, 2017, 3:15:24 PM9/2/17
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I checked my files. I'm not seeing the descent for Obadiah Bruen either. If I find it later, I'll be sure to let you know.

DR

gdco...@gmail.com

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Sep 2, 2017, 7:33:35 PM9/2/17
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On Sunday, August 27, 2017 at 9:47:01 AM UTC-6, Douglas Richardson wrote:
Thanks. I did find that Obadiah does descend from Peter Montfort, but that was through a mistress, not the granddaughter of Lord Furnival. Perhaps the confusion lies there.

I did find that the daughter Maud (m. John Marmion) is ancestral to my St. Quintin line. If you care to, follow the green trees from here:
http://gdcooke.org/ss/default.aspx/page/org2-o/p20762.htm

Greg
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