William Whittington of Early VA Gateway
RAY Montgomery
I have been looking for the ancestry of William Whittington Born circa
1616/17 per court records.
He was a Militia man, and judge, at a young age in VA. So he came from so
kind of strong back ground. This is from a acceptable source. I would like
very much to see if any one is aware of any problems with the ancestry as
shown below. Please note that william Whittington died 28 sep 1659 in the
netherlands, holland.
I look forward to your critique!
Sincerely,
Ray Montgomery
The following information on sixteen generations of WHITTINGTONS (through
John Whittington and wife, Bridget Hereford) comes from The New York
Genealogical and Biographical Society and is courtesy of Ed Hopkins.
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SIR GUY VYTEINSEN was born and died in Normandy.
SIR RICHARD VYTEINSEN died in Normandy.
SIR GUY VYTEINSEN died in Normandy.
SIR GUY DE VYTIENTSON was born in Normandy, and died in England.
Sir Guy de Vytientson is the earliest member of his family found in old
English records, (The Doomsday Book). He is said to be descended from a very
ancient family of Normandy. He emigrated to England with William the
Conqueror c1070.
SIR GUY DE WITINTON
SIR WILLIAM WHITTINGTON married MAUD DE SOLERS, daughter of JOHN DE SOLERS.
She died 1284.
SIR WILLIAM WHITTINGTON was born Abt. 1280 in Pauntley, Gloucestersghire,
England, and died 1359. Sir William became Lord of Pauntley. He was
declared, by the Inquisition of 1311, to be the son of William Whittington
and Maud de Solers, and the next heir to John, son of Thomas de Solers. In
William Whittington, the Manor and Estate of Pauntley were reunited.
DOCTOR SIR ROBERT WHITTINGTON was born Abt. 1355 in Paunyley,
Woucestershire, England. Doctor Sir Robert Whittington was Surgeon to the
Throne as well as High Sheriff of Gloucestershire in 1402 and 1407. He
succeeded his brother William as Lord of Pauntley.
SIR GUY DE WHITTINGTON was born Bet. 1390 - 1400 in Pauntley,
Gloucestersghire, England. He married CECILY BROWNING. Sir Guy was Lord of
Pauntley and attained the estates of Notgrove, Lye, and Rodborrow through
his marriage to Cecily Browning. He was High Sheriff of Gloucestershire in
1428 and 1434.
ROBERT WHITTINGTON married ELIZABETH ROUSE, daughter of BALDWYN ROUSE.
WILLIAM WHITTINGTON was born Abt. 1451 in Gloucestershire, England. He
married ELIZABETH ARUNDEL, daughter of HUMPHREY ARUNDEL.
JOHN WHITTINGTON was born Abt. 1475 in Gloucestershire, England. He married
(1) ELIZABETH MELBORNE, daughter of SIMON MELBORNE. He married (2)
ELIZABETH CROFTS, daughter of SIR RICHARD CROFTS.
John Whittington was High Sheriff of Gloucestershire in 1517.
SIR THOMAS WHITTINGTON was born in Pauntley, Gloucestersghire, England. He
married MARGERY NEDHAM.
SIR ALEXANDER WHITTINGTON was born in Notgrove, Gloucestershire, England.
He married ANNE DAUNTSEY
SIR RICHARD WHITTINGTON married MARY HEREFORD, daughter of WILLIAM HEREFORD.
JOHN WHITTINGTON was born in Gloucestershire, England. He married BRIDGET
HIGFORD, daughter of JOHN HIGFORD.
CAPT. WILLIAM WHITTINGTON was born 1616 in Gloucestershire, England, and
died 1659 in Northampton County, Virginia. He married (1) SUSAN (?) about
1640. He married (2) ELIZABETH WESTON About 1648. He married (3) MARY (?)
about 1650. William first appeared in Northampton County, Virginia about
1640-1641, and was lieutenant and captain of the militia. In 1654, he was a
member of the Board of County Commissioners in Northampton County and
captain of the militia. He was judge of the orphans court of Northampton in
1655. He moved to Somerset Co. MD after 1650. His unborn child was
Elizabeth. His third wife, Elizabeth Weston, married Capt. William Spencer
after his death. Much has been written of Captain Whittington, his life and
contributions to the eastern shore and will not be repeated. (ref: Clayton
Torrence, Old Somerset; Meyer & Dorman, Adventures of Purse and Person,
Woodrow T. Wilson, 34 Families of Old Somerset) William was probably related
in some way to Andrew Whittington, also one of the first settlers of
Somerset Co. MD. William's parentage is unknown but probably descends from
the Whittingtons of County Gloucester and related in some way to the early
settlers by that name in Talbot Co. MD and Calvert Co. MD. ( Kelly Avant;
Winona Pfander, "The Whittington-Brown Family History.")
Note From English Origins of American Colonists: (page 176) William
Whittington of Northampton county in Virginia, mariner, master of the ship
formerly called the Shepherd, now the Northampton, deposes 19 Aug., 1657,
aged 40 (page 177) William Whittington of Ackamack in Virginia, merchant,
aged 40, William Melling of the same, merchant, aged 49, and James Cade of
London, merchant, aged 52, depose 1 Sept., 1659, that in July last, at
Amsterdam, they bought the ship called the Christina Regina, now the
Northampton, on behalf of the aforesaid William Whittington, Lieut.-Col.
William Randall and John Michell of Ackamack.
Notes From: NORTHAMPTON COUNTY, VIRGINIA - Marriages, Baptisms, Burials A
true account of such persons as hve been baptized, married and buried in
Hungars Parish from ye 25th of March ano 1660 ye 25th of March 1661 p 92
Persons Maried: William Spencer/Mrs Elizabeth Whittington 6-14
Notes for ELIZABETH WHITTINGTON:
From: NORTHAMPTON COUNTY, VIRGINIA - Marriages, Baptisms, Burials
A true account of such persons as have been baptized, married and buried in
Hungars Parish from ye 25th of March ano 1660 ye 25th of March 1661 p 92
Persons Baptized: Elizabeth aged 8 mo dau of William and Elizabeth
Whittington 5-16.
Brad Verity
> To whom it may concern.
> I have been looking for the ancestry of William Whittington Born circa
> 1616/17 per court records.
> He was a Militia man, and judge, at a young age in VA. So he came from so
> kind of strong back ground. This is from a acceptable source. I would like
> very much to see if any one is aware of any problems with the ancestry as
> shown below. Please note that william Whittington died 28 sep 1659 in the
> netherlands, holland.
> I look forward to your critique!
Dear Ray,
I can only help with a few generations, but hopefully it's a start.
[snip of earlier generations]
> SIR GUY DE WHITTINGTON was born Bet. 1390 - 1400 in Pauntley,
> Gloucestersghire, England. He married CECILY BROWNING. Sir Guy was Lord of
> Pauntley and attained the estates of Notgrove, Lye, and Rodborrow through
> his marriage to Cecily Browning. He was High Sheriff of Gloucestershire in
> 1428 and 1434.
The marriage of Sir Guy Whittington and Cecily Browning is correct.
Sir Guy's will was dated 30 April 1440, and can be ordered through
Documents Online at the National Archives. There also was an IPM taken
after Sir Guy's death (this would provide the age of his heir, his
grandson John Whittington below). It is not yet published in the CIPM
series, but can also be ordered through the National Archives.
> ROBERT WHITTINGTON married ELIZABETH ROUSE, daughter of BALDWYN ROUSE.
>
> WILLIAM WHITTINGTON was born Abt. 1451 in Gloucestershire, England. He
> married ELIZABETH ARUNDEL, daughter of HUMPHREY ARUNDEL.
William's marriage to Elizabeth Arundell of Lanhearne, Cornwall, is
correct. William died on 3 November 1470, and was buried in the Grey
Friars' church, London.
> JOHN WHITTINGTON was born Abt. 1475 in Gloucestershire, England. He married
> (1) ELIZABETH MELBORNE, daughter of SIMON MELBORNE. He married (2)
> ELIZABETH CROFTS, daughter of SIR RICHARD CROFTS.
> John Whittington was High Sheriff of Gloucestershire in 1517.
The identity of the wives is correct, but the order of the marriages is
reversed. John's first wife, Elizabeth Croft, was the daughter of Sir
Richard Croft and his wife Eleanor Cornewall of Burford. John's second
wife was the daughter of Simon Milbourne of Tillingham.
John Whittington died in 1525. Both his will and his IPM can be
ordered through the National Archives.
> SIR THOMAS WHITTINGTON was born in Pauntley, Gloucestersghire, England. He
> married MARGERY NEDHAM.
The marriage of Sir Thomas to Margery Needham is correct.
But the line fails here, as Sir Thomas died leaving no sons, but rather
six daughters by his wife Margery.
> SIR ALEXANDER WHITTINGTON was born in Notgrove, Gloucestershire, England.
> He married ANNE DAUNTSEY
There was an Alexander Whittington, the third son of John Whittington,
above, by his second wife Elizabeth Milbourne. It may be that your
Alexander here, married to Anne Dauntsey, was the same Alexander son of
John Whittington.
[snip of later generations]
Hope this helps.
Cheers, ---------Brad
JeffChipman
Whoa!
I am not accusing Brad of sending Mr. Montgomery on a wild goose chase,
but I would like to make a couple of simple observations:
a. Mr. Montgomery's first task is to determine who the parents of
Capt. William Whittington were. There are some discrepancies in the
biography of this man (e.g., d. in MD or Holland? etc.).
b. This man is said to have been born about 1616. IPMs created in
1440 and 1525 aren't going to have much to say about that, but I
understand that Brad was only commenting on the line as Mr. Montgomery
supplied it.
c. Brad has identified some problem areas with the supplied line prior
to William. I frequently see in posts a suggestion that an IPM or Will
be obtained from The National Archives in Kew, England. What I don't
see is a discussion about what that entails. Be sure to get out your
credit card. First, TNA will want you to supply the location of the
document. That's the easy part, believe it or not. Then you will pay
a 10 pound fee for Kew to provide you with an estimate. They will come
back with an estimate to process your order. If agreeable, you pay for
that plus shipping, which of course will be more since it's to the USA.
The copies you get will probably be of good quality, but bear in mind
that the originals (and by the way, the copies you get will be
basically the same size as the original documents) will be of varying
quality. I don't know about the wills, but the IPMs (at least the 1440
one) will be in medieval latin. You will find it very difficult to get
a translation, since medieval latin apparently has terms unique to it.
Of course, some of these documents have been translated, and I can see
that it would be useful at some point to find out if a document exists
and where it is archived.
Unless you have someone who can help you get what you need out of the
document, you might have to pay somebody to do the translation (if you
can locate somebody to do it, that is). It may be an expensive
proposition.
Frankly, it's not an experience I care to repeat. You could just wind
up with a white elephant that tells you nothing.
I think the best advice to give Mr. Montgomery is to focus on proving
William Whittington's parents (and straightening out the discrepancies
in his bio; where he died, when he went to MD, etc.). I read somewhere
(can't remember the source) something to the effect that only about 25%
of colonial immigrants' parentage has been discovered (and that seems
high). It's easy to lose sight of the fact from reading this newsgroup
that the bulk of these people came to the colonies to obtain land,
something they probably could not have done in England for whatever
reason and were of the yeoman class. I would strongly suggest, instead
of ordering documents from the UK, get a copy of "Albion's Seed: Four
British Folkways In America," by David Hackett Fischer (Oxford
University Press, 1989) which is still in print.
Tim Powys-Lybbe
> "RAY Montgomery" wrote:
>
<snip of matters I know nothing of>
> > WILLIAM WHITTINGTON was born Abt. 1451 in Gloucestershire, England. He
> > married ELIZABETH ARUNDEL, daughter of HUMPHREY ARUNDEL.
>
> William's marriage to Elizabeth Arundell of Lanhearne, Cornwall, is
> correct. William died on 3 November 1470, and was buried in the Grey
> Friars' church, London.
Might I add that Elizabeth Arundell was one of two daughters both named
Elizabeth to Sir _Renfry_ Arundell and Jean (or Joan), dau. & heir of
Sir John Coleshill, slain at Agincourt, who m. close to 9 Sept 1421? See
"Arundell" part III of an erudite series on Four Catholic families by J
Jackson Howard and H Seymour Hughes, pp. 223 and 225, pub privately in
late 19th century and available as "The Genealogy of the Arundell
Family" on CDROM from
http://www.abc-publications.co.uk/
<more snip of the unknown>
--
Tim Powys-Lybbe t...@powys.org
For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org
Tim Powys-Lybbe
>
> Whoa!
> I am not accusing Brad of sending Mr. Montgomery on a wild goose chase,
> but I would like to make a couple of simple observations:
> a. Mr. Montgomery's first task is to determine who the parents of
> Capt. William Whittington were. There are some discrepancies in the
> biography of this man (e.g., d. in MD or Holland? etc.).
> b. This man is said to have been born about 1616. IPMs created in
> 1440 and 1525 aren't going to have much to say about that, but I
> understand that Brad was only commenting on the line as Mr. Montgomery
> supplied it.
> c. Brad has identified some problem areas with the supplied line prior
> to William. I frequently see in posts a suggestion that an IPM or Will
> be obtained from The National Archives in Kew, England. What I don't
> see is a discussion about what that entails. Be sure to get out your
> credit card. First, TNA will want you to supply the location of the
> document. That's the easy part, believe it or not. Then you will pay
> a 10 pound fee for Kew to provide you with an estimate.
Whoa again!
While this is totally correct for most documents from Kew, wills have
been pre-prepared and are available on-line as PDF files for a mere
3.50 ukp from:
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/
<snip of excellent discussion of the vicissitudes and expense of
interpreting document in medieval latin>
lma...@att.net
>(can't remember the source) something to the effect that only about 25%
>of colonial immigrants' parentage has been discovered (and that seems
>high). It's easy to lose sight of the fact from reading this newsgroup
>that the bulk of these people came to the colonies to obtain land,
>something they probably could not have done in England for whatever
>reason and were of the yeoman class. I would strongly suggest, instead
>of ordering documents from the UK, get a copy of "Albion's Seed: Four
>British Folkways In America," by David Hackett Fischer (Oxford
>University Press, 1989) which is still in print.
The percentage found probably varies by colony:
it would be higher for Pennsylvania Quakers
(many brought letters identifying their English homes),
or for New England people (many homes are known from
passenger lists, or they arrived in family groups).
Whats really interesting is that so many people, even experienced
'experts',
think that anything can be found, if they could just find a will.
That ignores what most research guide books will tell you:
only about 20% of the English population left wills.
I wish them good luck in finding the ancestry of persons who arrived as
servants,
such as Mayflower passengers John Alden, George Soule & Edward Doty.
Leslie
JeffChipman
Leslie--
I couldn't agree with you more. I descend from Mayflower passengers
John Howland who married Elizabeth Tilley, she and her parents being
passengers, and Richard Warren. There is no proof that Richard Warren
was a descendant of the noble de Warrene family; the Tilleys have a
proposed ancestry to the 15th cent., but were not aristocrats; and I
wonder about the commonly ascribed parentage of Howland when he was
actually Gov. Carver's servant. If the backgrounds of the Mayflower
passengers are in most cases murky, the background of the average
colonist is even more so. I think with a lot of early colonists, they
came from yeoman backgrounds, weren't going to inherit what land the
family had, and perhaps were given money to book passage to the
colonies and told "write when you're settled." That is, if they could
write.
The tendency is to tie into a gentry or knightly family which many
times links to a noble or royal connection; it's understandable on
several levels, but probably mostly because they were the people who
generated the records and in many cases are well documented. I don't
know if this topic has been discussed here before, but I think that a
colonist, who had the name, say, "Beckwith," is more likely to be
descended from a village smith who adopted that surname as from the
gentry family of Pontrefact. Probably like many people who read this
newsgroup, I have extensive colonial ancestry, but only a relative few
lines that can be traced with confidence back to the mother country.
lma...@att.net
The ideas about his ancestry are guesswork.
The parents of the Howland brothers seem to have been common
of stock (no wills), and I dont think the ancestry goes further back.
Having English ancestry is often more promising, as compared to
other countries in northern Europe.
Many others dont have parish registers going back into the 1500s.
And they certainly seem to lack the medieval resources,
such as Inquisitions Post Mortem, Close Rolls, Feet of Fines,
lawsuits, etc.
Leslie
Symonds
would very much appreciate learning more about the event. Many thanks.
Marilyn
Darrell E. Larocque
> John Whittington was High Sheriff of Gloucestershire in 1517.
RICHARD WHITTINGTON married ?
RICHARD WHITTINGTON, ESQ. married ?
ISABEL WHITTINGTON, daughter, married (1) JOHN RUDHALE abt 1522, (2) WALTER HORTON bef 6 Dec 1632.
Isabel was the coheiress of her father Richard's estate and her uncle John Whittington's estate at Staunton, Worcestershire. She and her husband, Walter Horton, had to sue brother-in-law Charles Rudhale, Gent. and Reynold Bysshop to gain her share.
I have reviewed both Guy Whittington and Richard Whittington, Esq. and this seems to be correct on its face. The Whittington/Milborne/Rudhale connection had been set a generation ago as Sir John Rudhale was the son of Anne Milborne, daughter of Simon Milborne and Jane Baskerville, the same parents of Elizabeth Milborne Whittington (w. of John) above.
I appreciate any additional information on this line.
Darrell
Darrell E. Larocque
Adding:
GUY WHITTINGTON/CECILY BROWNING were the parents of the first RICHARD WHITTINGTON I named in the line.
Sorry, forgot to add that.
Darrell E. Larocque
"Robert Whittington, who lived till some time after 1429 (fn. 52) and was Sheriff of Gloucestershire in 1402, 1407 and 1412, (fn. 53) was succeeded by his son Sir Guy, who was Sheriff of Gloucestershire in 1427 and 1433 (fn. 54) and died in 1441–2. (fn. 55) Sir Guy married Cicely Browning, the heir of John Browning of Leigh (co. Gloucs.). (fn. 56) Leigh was settled on their second son Richard, (fn. 57) and Staunton was apparently settled on him likewise, as he was in possession in 1464–5. (fn. 58) He was succeeded before 1492 (fn. 59) by John Whittington, a clerk in holy orders, (fn. 60) who died seised of Staunton Manor in 1504. (fn. 61) John's two nieces Maud and Isabella, daughters of his brother Richard, were his heirs. (fn. 62) Maud married William Horton (fn. 63) and Isabella married John son of William Rudhale. (fn. 64) In 1516 William Horton was outlawed at Gloucester for having killed John Pauncefoot, (fn. 65) and his moiety of Staunton Manor was granted two years later for the term of Horton's life to William Rudhale and his son John, (fn. 66) Isabella's husband, who thus had the whole manor in his possession. John Rudhale, however, died in 1530, (fn. 67) fifteen years before Horton, (fn. 68) and Isabella his widow married Walter Horton."
'Parishes: Staunton', in A History of the County of Worcester: Volume 4, ed. William Page and J W Willis-Bund (London, 1924), pp. 197-202. British History Online, http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/worcs/vol4/pp197-202 [accessed 4 August 2022].