On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 8:24:29 AM UTC-8,
ravinma...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Very interesting, Todd. Looking at the Sandes/Sondes/at Sende pedigree
> right now ... ancestral names in the chart would seem to be Russell, Dod,
> Guildford, Urrey, de Deane, Cheyney, and Towne.
>
> Maybe someone can do more with this.
From the Visitations alone, I develop the following AT for Thomazin (Fisher) Epes:
1. Thomazin Fisher
2. Alexander Fisher
3. Katherine Maplesden
4. John Fisher
5. Thomazin Bettenham
6. Peter Maplesden
7. Joan Gay
8. William Fisher of Maidstone
9. ( ) Friar
10. William Bettenham
11. Agnes Sandes
12. John Maplesden
13. Anne Miller
14. Thomas Gay, note A.
18. John Friar
20. John Bettenham
21. ( ) Yue
22. William Sandes of Lingfield
23. Elizabeth Towne
24. Thomas Maplesden of Cheveney in Morden (sic)
26. John Miller
40. Stephen Bettenham of Cranbro
41. Helwise Baker
44. Richard Sonds als Sandes of Alfricheston, Sussex
45. Paulina Dene
46. Thomas at Towne, note B
47. Joan Cheyney, note C
48. John Maplesden of Cheveney on Marden (sic)
82. William Baker
88. Richard Sonde
89. Elizabeth Urrey
90. John/Robert Dene of Alfricheston, Sussex, note B
91. Alice Cheyney
92. Thomas at Towne
93. Bennitt (i.e. Benedicta) Detling note D
94. William/Richard Cheyney of Sheppey
96. John Maplesden of Goudhurst
176. Richard Sonde
177. Maude Guldford
178. John Urrey
180. Robert de Dene
181. ( ) Chelwyke
182. Robert Cheney of Manwood, Sussex
186. John Detling
187. Joan de Shelving
192. John Maplesden of Maplesden
352. Robart at Sende als Sande
353. Alice Dod
354. Richard Guldford
362. ( ) Chelwyke of Grane
363. ( ) Podinden
374. John de Shelving
375. ( ) Denne
384. Henry Maplesden of Maplesden in Bennenden
704. Walter at Sende
705. Maude Rushall/Russall
706. Gilbert Dod
750. William Denne note E
751. ( ) Gatton
1408. Adam at Sende
1409. ( ) Saband
1410. Richard Rushall/Russall
1500. William Denne
1502. Giles Gatton
2816. Henry at Sende
2818. Peter Saband
3000. Richard Deane
3001. ( ) Staingarche
6002. Richard Staingarche
Note A. the 1619 Maplesden pedigree says Joan Gay, wife of Peter Maplesden was daughter of Thomas and bore "G. 3 lions Ramp. 2 & 1 between 5 cross crossletts ffichy Ar." This is clearly a variant of the coat described in the 1574 Gay pedigree, "Gules crusily or, three lions rampant argent", yet the color of the crosses is different. If this is a simple error in the Maplesden pedigree, then this could be the Thomas who heads the Gay pedigree, yet the chronology doesn't really work for this to have been the case. The Maplesden pedigree Thomas Gay is three generations back from the 1619 informant, while the Gay pedigree's Thomas is 3 generations back from the 1574 informant. This appears to be a different branch of the family.
Note B. Here I follow the 1574 Visitation, which agrees with the account of Thomas Town in History of Parliament. The 1592 Visitation adds another generation, making the Thomas who married Cheyney the grandfather of Elizabeth via another intervening Thomas. The 1592 Visitation also inserts an extra John Dene between the John who married a Cheyney and Paulina, also named John.
Note C. The 1566 Bedford Cheyney pedigree shows in the first generation John Cheyney of Sheppey having a daughter married to Thomas at Towne. This is too far back to be reliable in detail, but the family clearly retained a memory of this marriage. Notably, it shows her as sister of Sir William, husband of the daughter of Sallare. Clearly this last is William, husband of Eleanor Salerne. However, HOP shows Thomas Town to have married the daughter of this William, yet the chronology is tight. It looks like William married immediately before 1405, while his supposed son-in-law is last seen in 1420, and had three daughters. It is possible, but I am wondering if the Bedford pedigree (and the correction to the Kent pedigree that makes her daughter to Richard, Sir William's true father) isn't the more accurate over HOP.
Note D. Several accounts refer to this marriage, calling Thomas' father-in-law as John Brampton alias Detling. These accounts skip the generation with the Cheyney marriage, making the Brampton/Detling heiress mother of Elizabeth (Towne) Sondes as well as two other daughters. THi is clearly wrong, as shown by this pedigree:
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc2.ark:/13960/t6542rp7k;view=1up;seq=381
Benedicta Detling/Brampton would remarry to #40, Stephen Betenham, after the death of Thomas at Towne in 1403. For her see the end of this:
http://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/Research/Pub/ArchCant/Vol.015%20-%201883/015-01.pdf
Reference is made here to the will of Benedicta de Betenham:
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=nnc2.ark:/13960/t33201b1m;view=1up;seq=210
Note E. Berry's Kent Pedigrees shows a William Dene marrying a Gatton heiress, but the father is given a different name, and he had a son, not the daughter and heir given in the visitation, so either this is just coincidence or there is some flaw in the pedigree at this point.
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