Vivonne (or Vivonia) Family in England and France
Nathaniel Taylor
(Dcrdcr4) wrote:
>Does anyone have any information on Hugh de Vivonne (Latin: Vivonia) who
>married the daughter of the English Magna Carta baron, William Malet. Hugh
>came from Poitou, where he had a brother, Emery (or Aimery). Some years ago,
>I came across an article by Sidney Painter in ?Speculum? in which he theorized
>that the Vivonne family in Poitou were descended from the Counts of Poitou.
>Does anyone have any particulars either on the Vivonne family or their possible
>link to the Counts of Poitou. Also, can anyone provide me with the citation
>for Sidney Painter's article.
You may be thinking of Painter's, "The Lords of Lusignan in the Eleventh
and Twelfth Centuries", _Speculum_ 32 (1957), 27-47, especially at 30-31.
There, however, Painter links the house of Vivonne not with the counts of
Poitou but with the lords of Lusignan, implying that they descend from one
Jocelin, uncle of Hugh IV. You may have misconsrued the pronouns in the
sentence "The count [Guillaume III/V of Poitou] offered Hugh [IV of
Lusignan] the castle of Vivonne and the benefice attached to it which had
once belonged to his uncle, Jocelin [the ancestor of the house of Vivonne]
..." The context suggests that this Jocelin is Hugh IV's uncle. He does
not cite any other secondary study of the Vivonia family in this, though
his text suggests the line's recoverable from various charters which he
cites.
Nat Taylor
Cristopher Nash
>You may be thinking of Painter's, "The Lords of Lusignan in the Eleventh
>and Twelfth Centuries", _Speculum_ 32 (1957), 27-47, especially at 30-31.
Failing access to _Speculum_, you can also find this article repro'd in
Painter's _Feudalism and Liberty:Articles and Addresses_ (ed. F A Cazel,
Jr),1961, pp.40-72.
Cris
Jim Stevens
(snip)
>
>There, however, Painter links the house of Vivonne not with the counts of
>Poitou but with the lords of Lusignan, implying that they descend from one
>Jocelin, uncle of Hugh IV. You may have misconsrued the pronouns in the
>sentence "The count [Guillaume III/V of Poitou] offered Hugh [IV of
>Lusignan] the castle of Vivonne and the benefice attached to it which had
>once belonged to his uncle, Jocelin [the ancestor of the house of Vivonne]
>..." The context suggests that this Jocelin is Hugh IV's uncle. He does
>not cite any other secondary study of the Vivonia family in this, though
>his text suggests the line's recoverable from various charters which he
>cites.
>
>Nat Taylor
What is the proposed line from Hugh de Vivonia, husband of Mabel Malet,
back to Jocelin ?
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