Post Spanish Medieval Studies
Frank A. Longoria
I have been working on Spanish genealogies which includes Sephardic from
the 1400s. One of these families is de la Cavalleria who were protegees
of the Knights Templar. Also, I have been researching the alleged
bastard son of king Ferdinand V (the Catholic) of Castille. Anyone who
may have interest on the genealogies that I am working with, please drop
me a line.
Frank Longoria
Frank Longoria
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Todd A. Farmerie
Frank A. Longoria wrote:
>
> I have been working on Spanish genealogies which includes Sephardic from
> the 1400s. One of these families is de la Cavalleria who were protegees
> of the Knights Templar. Also, I have been researching the alleged
> bastard son of king Ferdinand V (the Catholic) of Castille.
Any time I see "alleged bastard" in reference to a medieval king, I
immediately get suspicious. Details please.
taf
Cha...@ix.netcom.com
In article <3313AE...@po.cwru.edu>,
________________ Check out the details. I am a descendant of Alonso de
Estrada on my Christian side of the family. Frank Longoria
_________________________________ 1. Alonso1 de Estrada was born in
Ciudad Real, Spain circa 1480. He married Mariana Gutierrez Flores de la
Cavalleria circa 1508 in Ciudad Real, Spain. Mariana was born circa 1490
in Ciudad Real, Spain. She was the daughter of Juan Gutíerrez de la
Cavalleria and Mayor Flores de Gevara. Died in circa 1552. Mariana de la
Caballeria was a Marrano descendant of the Lavi family who was one of the
most aristrocatic families of Aragon. Some of his members included Judah
aben lavi de la Caballeria and Abraham ben Judah aben Lavi. The family
wealth has been compared to the Rothschild's wealth. The family derived
the surname of "de la Caballeria" from the fact that one of their
ancestors at one time enjoyed the protection of the Order of Knights
Templar. Members of de la Caballeria family served as alfaquims,
physicians, interpreters with the moors, and diplomats. From 1257 to 1276
Judah, who was of the most influential Jews in the service of James I of
Aragon, was a bailiff (a very broad term which included administration of
the property of the king and oversee of judicial matters on behalf of the
king) of Saragossa. The Caballeria family was among the highest ranking
families in the courts of Aragon and Castilla. Although the Caballeria
family was an old Jewish family, some members became Christians.
Mariana's grandfather Mene de la Caballeria remained Jewish. His bones
were burned after he died. On the other hand, Pedro de la Caballeria who
was the secretary of the royal treasury under Alphonso V of Aragon forged
an affidavit of pure blood. Thus, all of his descendants became "pure old
Christians". Mariana came to New Spain with her five daughters and
husband in 1523. When Estrada died, Mariana inherited some of the
encomiendas of her husband which included Tlanepantla, 10 miles from
Mexico City. The Estrada family became one of the most politically
powerful and wealthy families in New Spain. Their power was obtained
through their connections with the Spanish Crown, Viceroy Don Antonio de
Mendoza, and politically correct marriages of the Estrada's five
daughters. Alonso de Estrada came to New Spain in 1523 as the royal
treasurer. Estrada, who was raised in the court of Ferdinand and was the
regidor of Ciudad Real, was the illegitimate son of Ferdinand. Like his
father, Estrada was of Jewish extraction. After Ferdinand's death, Alonso
had fought for his relative Charles V in the Comunero uprising. In 1523,
Estrada was sent to New Spain after trouble with some noble men that
resulted in deaths and disgraces. In Mexico City, Estrada alternate as
royal treasurer and acting governor during the troublesome period of
October 1524 and June 1525. He was co- governor with Gonzalo de Salazar
in 1527 and then governor until 1529 when he was relieved by the first
Audiencia. Estrada children married into the nobility of New Spain.
Beatriz married Francisco Vasquez de Coronado, the explorer and
discovered of New Mexico; Luisa married Jorgue de Alvarado, Pedro de
Alvarado's brother. Francisca married Alonso de Avalos Saavedra; Maria
married Nuño Guzman de Saavedra; Ana married Juan Alonso de Sosa
caballero from Cordova, who replaced Estrada as royal treasurer. Estrada
also brought his cousins, Juan de la Torre from Ciudad Real (Boyd-Bowman
p. 250, No. 460) and Luis. Juan and Luis were the sons of Antonio de la
Torre. Their name of their mother is not given by Dr. Boyd-bowman. Juan
served as regidor in 1525 and 1528, and alcalde ordinario in 1526 and
1527, and 1532. Juan held many encomiendas, Tepecualcuilco, Xaltepec,
Istlaguaca, and Tenayuca. Juan married Inés de Cabrera. Luis married
Luisa de Acuña in Santo Domingo. They had no childre. When Luis died, his
widow married Lope de Cherinos.
First Generation
1. Alonso1 de Estrada was born in Ciudad Real, Spain circa 1480.
He married Mariana Gutierrez Flores de la Cavalleria circa 1508 in
Alonso de Estrada and Mariana Gutierrez Flores de la Cavalleria had the
following children:
+ 2 i. Ana2 de Estrada Cavalleria was born circa 1524.
+ 3 ii. Luisa de Estrada was born circa 1509.
4 iii. Francisca de Estrada was born in Ciudad Real, Spain
circa 1514.
5 iv. Beatriz de Estrada was born in Ciudad Real, Spain circa
1516.
+ 6 v. Marina de Estrada was born circa 1516.
Source: Fernandez, Fco., Academia Mexicana; Peggy K. Liss, Mexico Under
Spain, (The University of Chicago Press, 1975) 100. Indice Geobiografico,
Boyd-Bowman, Peter, page 108. Military records of the Military Order of
Santiago 1635. Porras Muños, Novohispana.
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Todd A. Farmerie
Cha...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>
> Alonso de Estrada came to New Spain in 1523 as the royal
> treasurer. Estrada, who was raised in the court of Ferdinand and was the
> regidor of Ciudad Real, was the illegitimate son of Ferdinand. Like his
> father, Estrada was of Jewish extraction.
King Ferdinand II of Aragon was of jewish extraction? I would love to
see the evidence for that one. While you are at it, your post had a lot
to say about his wife's family, and his descendants, but little other
than this brief comment concerning his parentage. If a bastard of
Fernando, where did his surname come from? Who was his mother? What
are the details of his identification as Fernando's son? Is he called
"son" by Fernando? or brother by Juana? (Is he included in ES, which I
think includes tables for the bastards of various spanish and portuguese
kings?)
taf
William Addams Reitwiesner
"Todd A. Farmerie" <ta...@po.cwru.edu> wrote:
>Cha...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>>
>> Alonso de Estrada came to New Spain in 1523 as the royal
>> treasurer. Estrada, who was raised in the court of Ferdinand and was the
>> regidor of Ciudad Real, was the illegitimate son of Ferdinand. Like his
>> father, Estrada was of Jewish extraction.
>
>King Ferdinand II of Aragon was of jewish extraction? I would love to
>see the evidence for that one.
See Schwennicke III:532b for the traditional story. Fadrique, Grand
Master of the Order of Santiago (d. 1358), had a bastard son, Alonso
Enriquez, "aus der Verbindung mit einem judischen Madchen gt La Paloma
(die Taube)". Alonso (d. 1429) ended up as the first hereditary
Admiral of Castile. His son Fadrique Enriquez, second Admiral (d.
1473), married as his first wife Mariana de Ayala (niece of the famous
Sancha de Ayala) and by her had Juana Enriquez, second wife of Juan
II, King of Aragon (d. 1479) and mother of Ferdinand.
This identification of Alonso's mother is based on Jewish legends,
and, from what I've seen, is not supported in any contemporary records
(which refer to Alonso's mother as a woman of "low birth").
William Addams Reitwiesner
wr...@erols.com
D. Spencer Hines
William Addams Reitwiesner wrote:
>
><snip>
>
> See Schwennicke III:532b for the traditional story. Fadrique, Grand
> Master of the Order of Santiago (d. 1358), had a bastard son, Alonso
> Enriquez, "aus der Verbindung mit einem judischen Madchen gt La Paloma
> (die Taube)". Alonso (d. 1429) ended up as the first hereditary
> Admiral of Castile. His son Fadrique Enriquez, second Admiral (d.
> 1473), married as his first wife Mariana de Ayala (niece of the famous
> Sancha de Ayala) and by her had Juana Enriquez, second wife of Juan
> II, King of Aragon (d. 1479) and mother of Ferdinand.
>
> William Addams Reitwiesner
> wr...@erols.com
Gary Boyd Roberts, in the standard tertiary compilation, "Ancestors of
American Presidents" [First Authoritative Edition (1995) ISBN
0-936124-19-9], frequenty cited by Mr. Reitweisner in this Newsgroup,
has another name for the Mother of Juana Enriquez (Henriquez). Mr.
Roberts holds her [p. 365] as "Maria FERNANDEZ DE CORDOBA" rather than
as "Mariana de Ayala"---of course the names may conceivably refer to the
same woman.
Please note that this critique has nothing whatsoever to do with style
or ad hominem attacks. It is simply a matter of precision and sound
scholarship.
If Mr. Reitweisner is correcting and revising Mr. Roberts's
identification for the Mother of Juana Enriquez---then he should clearly
tell us so. If his "Mariana de Ayala" is the same woman as "Maria
FERNANDEZ DE CORDOBA---then he should share that important equation with
us as well.
Am I suggesting that he has an obligation to cite all the sources he may
disagree with? Of course not. That would be chop or "slippery slope"
logic. But he has co-authored a book with Mr. Roberts on the Princess of
Wales---and is well aware that many of us frequently use AAP. As I
pointed out above, Mr. Reitweisner himself frequently cites it in this
Newsgroup as an authoritative source.
If we don't ensure meticulous scholarship on discrete matters of
identification of this sort, we can introduce errors into the
genealogical records that may take a great deal of effort downstream [in
the future] to correct and expunge. This is not nit-picking, but due
diligence in the practice of Medieval Genealogy.
--
D. Spencer Hines---"It may be said that, thanks to the 'clercs',
humanity did evil for two thousand years, but honored good. This
contradiction was an honor to the human species,and formed the rift
whereby civilization slipped into the world." "La Trahison des clercs"
[The Treason of the Intellectuals] (1927) Julien Benda (1867-1956)
D. Spencer Hines
Pursuant to my previous message concerning Mr. Reitweisner's post, if
the chart, on page 365, in Mr. Roberts's book is correctly drawn [by
Julie Helen Otto], then the Mother of Juana Enriquez could not be the
"niece of the famous Sancha de Ayala" as Mr. Reitweisner stated---but
would be Sancha de Ayala's grandniece, i.e. the granddaughter of Sancha
de Ayala's brother, Pedro Suarez [DE TOLEDO] Lord of Casarrubios.
It is possible that Mr. Roberts and Mr. Reitweisner have assigned the
daughter, Juana Enriquez, to two different Mothers---i.e., two different
wives of Fadrique Enriquez ["Mariana de Ayala" (1st)? and "Maria
FERNANDEZ DE CORDOBA" (2nd)?] (the capitalization of Maria's surname is
Mr. Roberts's.) If that be true, then again, Mr. Reitweisner should
clearly point out his disagreement with Mr. Roberts, in order not to
confuse the genealogical record and possibly mislead members of
GEN-MEDIEVAL. He should then show some credible proof for his judgment.
As previously noted, if they are the same person, then he has an equal
obligation to point that out, according to the same rationale---and the
requirement for proof.
Samuel Dotson
In <3324B0...@worldnet.att.net> "D. Spencer Hines"[snip]
>> William Addams Reitwiesner
>
>Mr. Reitweisner
>It is simply a matter of precision and sound
>scholarship.
>Mr. Reitweisner
>If we don't ensure meticulous scholarship on discrete matters of
>identification
Perhaps Mr. Hines would like to begin HIS efforts at "precision" and
"meticulous scholarship on discreet matters of identification" by
spelling Mr. Reitwiesner's name correctly.
D. Spencer Hines
Samuel Dotson wrote:
<snip>
> Perhaps Mr. Hines would like to begin HIS efforts at "precision" and
> "meticulous scholarship on discreet matters of identification" by
> spelling Mr. Reitwiesner's name correctly.
Point taken. Thank you for the correction. Perhaps you would like to
deal with the more substantive matters involved in my post---concerning
the Mother of Juana Enriquez. Or is this little squib or petar' all you
are capable of generating today?
The ball is now clearly in Bill Reitwiesner's court to indicate whether
he disagrees with Gary Boyd Roberts or not and why he thinks the Mother,
whoever she may be, is the niece and not the grandniece of Sancha de
Ayala.