Godgifu
Alain Talbot
I have in mly Database
Godgifu (1004-1056)
x Eustache de Boulogne
x Drogon de Vexin
Is it right ?
have they children ?
Many thanks for your help ?
Alain Talbot
TALBO...@aol.com
Leo van de Pas
Godgifu of Wessex
died circa 1049
married (1) Dreux, Comte de Mantes et de Vexin,
son of Gautier II "le Blanc" de Valois, Comte de Mantes,
Amiens, Valois et du Vexin, and Adele NN
died 1035 Nicea
married (2) circa 1036
Eustace II, Comte de Boulogne, son of Eustace I,
Comte de Boulogne, and Mathilde de Louvain
died circa 1070/1082
children 1st marriage only
1.Adele de Mantes
married Alberic de Coucy, son of Jean de Coucy
Children nr. 1
2.Raoul, Earl of Hereford
died 21 December 1057 buried Peterborough Abbey
married Getha
children nr.2
1.son Ada de Mantes
Dreux de Coucy, Seigneur de Boves
mentioned 1069
father of
a.Enguerrand I de Coucy
Seigneur de Boves de Coucy
mentioned 1069 and 1118
married (1) Ada de Marle, Vicomtesse de Coucy,
daughter of Lietaud de Roucy, Seigneur de Marle,
and Mathilde (Mahaut)
married (2) Sibylle de Porcean
son (1st marriage)
b.Thomas de Marle, Sire de Coucy et Marle,
Comte d'Amiens
born ca.1073 Coucy, Ardennes
died ca.1129/1130
married three times and has descendants
2.son of Raoul, Earl of Hereford
Harold de Ewyas
married Maud d'Avranches
son.
a.Robert de Ewyas
married Sibyl
son.
b.Robert de Ewyas
died 1195
married Petronilla
descendants
Sources
Europaische Stammtafeln (Schwennicke)
Burke's Guide to the Royal Family
London, 1973
The Plantagenet Ancestry
by Lt.Col W.H. Turton
Any corrections or additions greatly appreciated.
Best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Alain Talbot
I have read this :
"Autour de sa vingtième année, Eustache avait convolé, et son mariage avait été
un coup de maître. Goda avait presque le double de son âge et était de surcroît
veuve de Drogon, comte du Vexin, qui lui avait donné trois enfants. Mais
c'était aussi la soeur du roi d'Angleterre Edouard le Confesseur, et la fille
du roi Ethelred et de la reine Emma, une petite-fille du duc Richard Ier de
Normandie. A la faveur de cette alliance Eustache de Boulogne entrait dans la
parenté du duc Guillaume de Normandie à qui d'aucuns n'hésitaient pas à prédire
un glorieux avenir."
Source : "Godefroy de Bouillon" - Pierre Aubé - ed Fayard 1985
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Drogon, Fils d'Adèle de Crespy, descendant de Charlemagne, sire d'Elbeuf
(1025-1035), mort en 1035, Premier seigneur d'Elbeuf.
Gauthier III de Vexin, Fils du précédent, sire d'Elbeuf (1035-1065?), mort en
1065?
Raoul II de Crespy-Valois, Cousin du précédent, sire d'Elbeuf (1065?-1074),
mort en 1074
Source : "Elbeuf, ma ville" - Charles Brisson - ed Page de Garde -1951
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If I read Leo van de Pas : children are Adele de Mantes and Raoul, earl of
Hereford
If I read Charles Brisson : Gauthier III was a son of Drogon
if I read Pierre Aubé : Drogon and Goda have 3 Children
if I resume :
3 children are :
Adele,
Raoul,
Gauthier
Who can confirm ... (or not)
Many thanks for your help
Alain Talbot
TALBO...@aol.com
Leo van de Pas
Alain Talbot in France kindly translated the following :
Source : "Godefroy de Bouillon" - Pierre Aubé - ed Fayard 1985
If we try to translate :
" Around his twentieth year, Eustache had married, and his marriage had been
mister . Goda's blow almost had the double of his age and was besides a
widow
of Drogon, count of Vexin, who had given her three children. But it was also
the sister of the king of England Edouard the Confessor, and the girl of the
king Ethelred and the queen Emma, a granddaughter of duke Richard Ier of
Normandy. Thanks to this alliance Eustache de Boulogne entered the
relationship of duke Guillaume of Normandy for whom some did not hesitate to
predict glorious one the future. "
Here I read :
"Goda .... a widow of Drogon, count of Vexin, who had given her
three
children"
The important words are "three children" !
===So far his very much appreciated translation. At that time I had given
him the names of two children, Raoul, Earl of Hereford and Adele. He asked
whether Gautier III was also a child of this couple. Then I got hold of ES
IV 657
and found that
Dreux (Drogo) Comte d'Amiens etc., had by Goda (Edith) of Wessex, the
following three children :
1.Gautier III, Comte d'Amiens et du Vexin
1063 poisoned in Falaise as was his wife
2.Foulques, Bishop of Amiens
died after 1077
3.Raoul, Earl of Hereford
he was married and has descendants.
What about that Adele? I checked, and found I had found her as a child of
Dreux and Goda/Godgifu/Edith in Turton's
Plantagenet Ancestry page 175. Knowing Turton's reputation, I got hold of
The Ancestry of Elizabeth of York,
by Marlyn Lewis. Page 782 gives
68545 Adele de Amiens, father Dreux, Comte d'Amiens and mother Goda,
Princess of England.
This gives me the choice, either accept ES Detlev Schwennicke, who
apparently is superb about Germany but not so superb with families outside
of Germany, or Turton
backed up by Marlyn Lewis.
Sadly, I think Schwennicke this time is correct, but if he is
who are the parents of this Adele de Amiens (d'Amiens ?)
married to Hugh (Alberic) de Coucy, both are ancestors of the wife of Henry
VII of England, and therefor, I think, her parentage is important. Does
anyone know the answer?
Many thanks
Leo van de Pas
A Channing
CP Vol XII (i) page 411 (under Sudeley)
Footnote g) seems to indicate Roule of Ralph's eldest brother was a
William. CP states that Ralph was not technically earl of Hereford.
In K.S.B. Keats-Rohan's `Domesday People' page 245
Harold De Ewias son and heir of Ralph of Dreux, earl of Hereford, and Goda,
sister of Edward the Confessor. ??????, could Keats-Rohan make such a mess
of it, or am I missing something?
Don't know about Adele de Amiens, I have given up at this stage.
Adrian (Surrey, UK) ACha...@CompuServe.Com
Leo van de Pas wrote;
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