Fairfax/Colepepper and a Dutch girl from Zeeland
Ph.J. van Dael
By mistake I have deleted a message of the list about Fairfaix/Colepper.
What I recall is that the sender was curious about any links to English
royalty. (Why is it that Americans are so deperate to prove their
ancestry from nobility and kings, etc.?)
I cannot provide English royals, but Thomas Colepepper married a Dutch
girl, and it is probable that she is a descendant from Charlemagne.
In “Gens Nostra” (1990) I found the following lineage from Baldwin V of
Flanders to the said Dutch girl (from Balwin their are lines to
Charlemagne). Before spending a lot of time and not knowing wether it is
important or not for the sender I didn’t bother translating it. If it
is worth it I can go on. Just let me know.
1. Boudewijn V van Vlaanderen, geb. ca. 1013, komt na zijn huwelijk in
opstand tegen zijn vader maar wordt door hertog Robert van Normandië
versla-gen
en moet zich verzoenen Oudenaarde 1030; graaf van Vlaanderen 1035; neemt
actief deel aan de algemene opstand van Neder-Lotharingen tegen keizer
Hen-drik
111 1044 en steekt de rijksburcht van Nijmegen in brand, maar wordt tot
onderwerping gedwongen 1049150; door keizerin-weduwe Agnes bevestigd in
het leen Zeeland bewesten Schelde 1056, regent (‘procurator et bajulus’)
van
Frankrijk 1060-67, is nog aanwezig bij de inwijding van de Sint-Baafs te
Gent
9-5-1067, overl. ald. 1-9-1067, begr. ald. (Sint-Pieter), naar de plaats
waar hij bij
voorkeur resideerde bijgenaamd ‘van Rijsel’ (‘de Lille’, ‘Insulanus’),
tr. Parijs begin 1028 Adelheid (Aelis) van Frankrijk, geb. ca. 1009 of
ca. 1019, gravin van Coutance,
sticht het klooster Mesen (Messines) bij Ieper, overl. Mesen 8-1-1079,
begr. ald.,
wellicht weduwe van Richard 111 van Normandië (overl. 6-8-1027), dr. van
Robert
11 ‘de Vrome’ (‘le Pieux’) koning van Frankrijk en diens derde gemalin
Constante
van Provence.
2. Boudewijn I/VI van Vlaanderen, geb. ca. 1030 (doch mogelijk wat
la-ter),
door keizerin-weduwe Agnes beleend met Henegouwen Keulen 1056
(Bou-dewijn
1); door het overlijden van zijn vader tevens graaf van Vlaanderen 1067
(Boudewijn VI); overl. 17-7-1070, begr. in de door hem herstelde abdij
Hasnon,
tr. 1051 Richilde ‘van Henegouwen’, (mogelijk uit het geslacht Egisheim;
zij geldt als
een nicht of achternicht van paus Leo 1X, weduwe van Herman graaf van
Hene-gouwen, overl. ca. 1050, zn. van Reginar V van Henegouwen en
Mathilde van
Verdun), regentes van Henegouwen na 1070, overl. 15-3-1086.
3. Boudewijn II van Henegouwen, geb. ca. 1056, graaf van Henegouwen
(aanvankelijk onder regentschap van zijn moeder) 1070, ziet na de slag
bij Kassel
(22-2-1071) geen kans zijn toen daar gesneuvelde broer Arnold 111 op te
volgen
als graaf van Vlaanderen aangezien hun oom Robrecht ‘de Fries’ zich van
de
macht aldaar heeft meester gemaakt en weldra ook door de Franse koning
en
de Duitse keizer wordt erkend; moet nogmaals van Vlaanderen afzien 1085;
neemt deel aan de Eerste Kruistocht; wordt na de inname van Antiochië
(juni
1098) ermede belast dat te gaan melden aan de keizer in Constantinopel
doch
wordt tijdens deze tocht in Klein-Azië kennelijk overvallen en vermoord;
wordt
bijgenaamd ‘van Jeruzalem’ (hoewel hij die stad nooit heeft bereikt),
tr. 1084
Ida van Leuven,’ geb. ca. 1065, begeeft zich als weduwe naar Klein-Azië
om
daar persoonlijk (doch vergeefs) een onderzoek in te stellen naar het
lot van haar
gemaal, overl. na 1103, dr. van Hendrik 11, graaf van Leuven en Adela
van de
Betuwe.
4. Boudewijn III van Henegouwen, geb. 1087188, graaf van Henegouwen
(aanvankelijk onder regentschap van zijn moeder) 1098, voert evenals
zijn ou-ders
en zijn grootmoeder herhaaldelijk strijd tegen de achtereenvolgende
graven
van Vlaanderen doch steeds tevergeefs; moet Kamerijk afstaan 1110;
overl. 1120,
tr. ca. 1107’ Jolante van Gelre, regentes van Henegouwen 1120-ca. 1125,
begr. Bergen (Mons, Sainte-Waudru), dr. van Gerard 1 graaf van Gelre en
Clementia van Poitou, vrou-we van Gleiberg.
5. Boudewijn IV van Henegouwen, geb. ca. 1110, graaf van Henegouwen
(onder regentschap van zijn moeder) 1120, zelfstandig ca. 1125; tracht
herhaalde-lijk
ook gewapenderhand zijn aanspraken op Vlaanderen door te zetten doch
steeds zonder succes, zo ook wanneer hij tijdens de afwezigheid wegens
kruistocht van Dirk van de Elzas (1148-49) Vlaanderen binnenvalt;
verkrijgt bij de verzoening echter de belofte dat zijn zoon met een
dochter van Vlaanderen zal huwen 1151; vergroot zijn machtsgebied door
de verwerving van de heerlijk-heden Ath, Braine-le-Villotte (nadien
Braine-le-Comte genaamd), Chimay en Ostrevant; verkrijgt van zijn op dat
moment kinderloze zwager graaf Hendrik (‘de Blinde’) van Namen de bloot
eigendom der Namense allodia Herpignies juni 1163; draagt vanwege een
hem overkomen ongeval veel van het feitelijke bestuur over aan zijn zoon
1167, overl. Bergen (Mons) 6-11-1171, begr. ald. (Sainte-Waudru), tr.
ca. 1130 Adelheid (Alice) van Namen, geb. ca. 1110, overl. juli 1168,
begr. Bergen (Mons, Sainte-Waudru), dr. van Godfried, graaf van Namen en
diens tweede gemalin Ermesinde van Luxemburg.
6. Boudewijn V van Henegouwen, geb. ca. 1148, mederegent van
Henegou-wen
1167; door zijn vader tot ridder geslagen Pasen (29-3-)1168; graaf van
Hene-gouwen
1171; kondigt een landvrede af (la Paix de Hainaut) 1172; wordt door
zijn (inmiddels blind geworden) oom graaf Hendrik van Namen ook als
opvolger aangewezen in de lenen te weten Namen, Durbuy, Laroche en
Luxemburg 1182/83 (goedgekeurd door keizer Frederik 1 Barbarossa Hagenau
11-3-1184 en bekrachtigd op de Rijksdag te Mainz 20/22-5-1184) onder
toezegging van de kei-zer deze lenen dan gezamenlijk tot markgraafschap
te verhogen; weet ondanks herhaaldelijk verzet van zijn (alsnog vader
geworden) oom deze regeling groten-deels doorgezet te krijgen op de
Rijksdag van Schwäbisch Hall 23-9-1190 waar hij tot markgraaf en
rijksvorst wordt verheven; maakt zich zodra hij de dood van Philips van
de Elzas (Akko 1-6-1191) verneemt, meester van Vlaanderen waar hij op
grond van zijn huwelijk opvolgt (Boudewijn VIII) sept. 1191 (beleend met
Kroon-Vlaanderen door Philips Augustus van Frankrijk 1-3-1192 en met
Rijks-Vlaanderen door keizer Hendrik VI); verslaat de hoogbejaarde
Hendrik ‘de Blinde’ nogmaals Noville-sur-Mehaigne 1-8-1194, maar
overlijdt vóór hem Ber-gen (Mons) 17-12-1195, begr. ald.
(Sainte-Waudru), tr. Le Quesnoy april 1169 Margaretha van Vlaanderen,
geb. ca. 1140/45, na de dood van haar broer (graaf
Philips van de Elzas) gravin van Vlaanderen 1191, overl. Brugge
15-11-1194, begr.
ald. (Sint-Donaas), dr. van Dirk van de Elzas, graaf van Vlaanderen, en
diens
tweede gemalin Sybille van Anjou.
7. Boudewijn VI van Henegouwen, geb. Valenciennes juli 1171, door de
dood van zijn moeder graaf van Vlaanderen (Boudewijn 1X) 1194, door die
van
zijn vader ook graaf van Henegouwen (Boudewijn VI) 1195; beleent na de
dood
van Hendrik de Blinde van Luxemburg (14-8-1196) zijn jongere broer
Philips met
Namen (die daarna echter, bij de definitieve regeling Dinant 26-7-1199,
alleen
het deel ten westen van de Maas behoudt); kiest na de dubbelkeuze van
1198 in
de Staufisch-Welfische tegenstelling de partij van de door Engeland
ondersteun-de
Otto IV; legt samen met zijn echtgenote de gelofte af op kruistocht te
gaan
23-2-1200; vertrekt (Vierde Kruistocht) Pasen (14-4-)1202; neemt deel
aan het be-leg
van Zara, wordt na de verovering van Constantinopel gekozen tot keizer
van
het Latijnse Keizerrijk 9-5 en gekroond in de Hagia Sophia 16-5-1204
(Boude-wijn
1); wordt wanneer hij Adrianopel belegert, gevangen genomen 14-4-1205
en overl. in Bulgaarse gevangenschap na 20-7-1205,’ tr. Château-Thiéry
13-1-1186
Maria van Champagne, geb. ca. 1174, blijft bij vertrek van haar gemaal
wegens
zwangerschap achter en fungeert vooreerst als regentes van Vlaanderen en
Hene-gouwen; vertrekt na de geboorte van haar tweede dochter Margaretha,
alsnog
maar overlijdt zonder haar gemaal te hebben weergezien Akko 9-8-1204,
dr. van
Henri 1 ‘le Libéral’, graaf van Champagne, en Maria van Frankrijk.
8. Margaretha van Constantinopel, geb. juli/aug. 1202, ged.
Valenciennes
(Saint-Jean), door het kinderloos overlijden van haar oudere zuster
Johanna:
gravin van Vlaanderen (Margaretha 11) en Henegouwen 5-12-1244, staat
Vlaan-deren af aan haar zoon Guy van Dampierre 1278, overl. 10-2-1280,
tr. (1) Le Quesnoy (vóór 23)-7-1212 Bouchard van Avesnes, geb. ca. 1182
of eerder (1172?), is cantor van N.D. de Laon sept. 1205; subdiaken en
tresorier van het kapittel van Doornik, maar legt deze functies neer en
keert, zonder dat zulks kerkelijk officieel is gesanctioneerd,
terug in wereldlijke staat enkele jaren vóór 11-12-1211, wordt door de
graaf van
Vlaanderen (Ferrand van Portugal) aangesteld tot hoogbaljuw van
Henegouwen
begin 1212 (tot uiterlijk 22-11-1213) en door hem bevestigd als leenman
voor
Estroeungt 23-7-1212; claimt namens zijn echtgenote een deel van haar
vaders
erfenis 3-4-1214; neemt aan Vlaamse zijde deel aan de slag bij Bouvines
27-7-
1214, wordt gevangen genomen, maar weet te ontsnappen en begeeft zich
met
zijn echtgenote naar zijn neef te Houffalize waar hij zes jaar met haar
woont;
wordt inmiddels (te beginnen 20-2-1215) op grond van aanklachten van
zijn
schoonzuster gravin Johanna van Vlaanderen door de pausen Innocentius
111
en Honorius 111 herhaaldelijk in de ban gedaan; doet van tijd tot tijd
invallen
in Henegouwen, doch wordt bij een daarvan gevangen genomen 1219 en
uitgele-verd aan zijn schoonzuster die hem gevangen houdt tot 1221;
begeeft zich naar
Rome om zijn positie (en daarmee zijn huwelijk) te regelen 1222, keert
terug
tweede helft 1224, maar moet dan constateren dat zijn vrouw inmiddels
her-trouwd
is (met Guillaume van Dampierre); overl. begin 1244, begr. abdij
Claire-fontaine,
zn. van Jacques d’Oisy, heer van Avesnes, en Adèle de Guise; tr. (2)
18-8/15-11-1223 (dispensatie vanwege verwantschap in de 3de/4de graad
verleend mei 1230)’ Guillaume II van Dampierre, heer van Dampierre 1217,
connétable van Cham-pagne 1221; bezit goederen rondom Saint-Dizier;
overl. 3-9-1231, begr. Orchies (Cisterciënserinnenklooster), in 1257
overgebracht naar Flines; zn. van Guy 11
van Dampierre, connétable van Champagne, door huwelijk seigneur de
Bourbon
en van Montluçon, en Mathilde, erfgename van Bourbon.
Uit het eerste huwelijk:
9. Jan 1 van Avesnes, geb. Houffalize april 1218, gelegitimeerd door
keizer
Frederik 11 1242; tracht vergeefs het huwelijk van zijn ouders alsnog
door de
paus geldig te doen verklaren Lyon dec. 1244; bij scheidsrechterlijke
uitspraak
van de leenheer koning Lodewijk 1X van Frankrijk aangewezen als opvolger
voor
Henegouwen (doch niet voor Vlaanderen) Parijs juli 1246; wordt bij een
nieuw
proces alsnog wettig verklaard als stammende uit een ‘putatief huwelijk’
25-11-
1249; beleend door zijn zwager Rooms koning Willem 11 van Holland met
Na-men
1249 en met Rijks-Vlaanderen Frankfort juli 1252, doch moet van beide
afzien bij de hernieuwde schikking door Lodewijk 1X Péronne 24-9-1256
waar-door
hij alleen (als in 1246) het opvolgingsrecht in Henegouwen behoudt;
overl.
Binche of Valenciennes 24-12-1257, tr. kort na 20-8-1246 (pauselijke
bekrachtiging, met dispensatie, 25-10-1246) Aleida van Holland, l dr.
van Floris IV van Holland en Machteld van Brabant.
10. Jan II van Avemes, geb. ca. 1247; graaf van Henegouwen (Jan 1) ter
opvolging van zijn grootmoeder 1280; tevens regent in Holland en Zeeland
sept.
1296-febr. 1297; opnieuw ingehaald als ruwaard en weldra erkend als
graaf (Jan
11) van Holland en Zeeland 1299; voert een op Frankrijk georiënteerde,
anti-Vlaamse
politiek; overl. Valenciennes of Bergen (Mons) 11 of 12-9-1304, tr. 1270
of begin 1271
Philippine van Luxemburg, overl. 6-4-1311, dr. van Hendrik 11 ‘de
Blonde’ van
Luxemburg en Margaretha van Bar.
11. (bast.) Simon, heer van Bruyelle (in Henegouwen), woonde te Marly
(ZO van Valenciennes) 1320, maarschalk van het Nedersticht 1325 en 1326,
bezit
vele goederen in Zeeland, overl. na 9-10-1356, tr. N.N.
12. Simon van Bruelis, beleend met een schor te Biezelinge 28-10-1352,
tr.
Margriet Woutersdr. van deMaelstede, beleend te Vlake 1352 en koopt
goederen
aldaar 1368, ambachtsvrouwe van Vlake 1380, overl. 1394.
13. Wouter van de Maelstede en Bruelis, verkrijgt inkomsten te
Reimers-waal
19-10-1359, beleend te Vlake 1394, ambachtsheer van ‘s Heer-Abtskerke,
bezit tienden te Kattendijke, overl. 1395, tr. N.N.
14. Simon van Bruelis en van de Maelstede, ambachtsheer van ‘s
Heer-Abtskerke,
beleend met de goederen van zijn vader 1395, koopt goederen te Vlake
1431, overl. na 2-1-1436, tr. Heilwig van de Abeele, beleend te
Reimerswaal 1432, overl. 1462, mogelijk dr. van Hendrik van de Abeele en
Elisabeth Willemsdr. van Reimerswaal.
15. Anthony van Bruelis, beleend te Goes, Vlake, Kapelle en Kattendijke,
overl. kort vóór 15-12-1484, tr. vóór 25-6-1474 Avezoete van Vronestein,
beleend te Wemeldinge, Kapelle en ‘s Heer-Abtskerke 1474, koopt goed te
Vlake 1506, overl. vóór 1522, dr. van Jacob Laurensz. van Vronestein.
16. Maria van Bruelis, beleend te Reimerswaal 1492 en te Lodijke 1496,
her-enigt
alle goederen van haar ouders op Zuid-Beveland, overl. 1542, tr. 1509
Willem van Cats’, heer van Cats, Kapelle, Biezelinge en Simonspolder,
admi-raal van Zeeland, baljuw van Goes, overl. vóór 9-7-1523, zn. van
Jacob van Cats en Elisabeth van Ruyven.
17. Mr. Anthonius van Cats, overl. 1554, tr. Maria van Coulster, overl.
na 1562.
18. Abel van Cats, overl. 1606, tr. Charlotte van Tuijll van
Serooskerke, overl. 1629.
19. Catharina van Cats, overl. 1634, tr. Johan (van) Hesse, heer van
Piershil, overl. 1638.
Uit dit huwelijk:
a. Abel van Hesse, born 1630, heer van Pershill
b. Margaretha (?)
20. Margaretha van Hesse, her father was Jan van Hesse, heer van
Piershill, I’m not 100% sure that he was the same one as generation 19,
neither am I sure wether or not Margaretha’s mother was Catharina van
Cats or not, but it is certainly possible. (The fact that Margaretha’s
daughter was named Catharina, makes it even probable). Margaretha
married Thomas Baron Colepepper, Governor of Verginia (1675, but
returned “home” 1682).
21. Catherine Colepepper, married ca. 1685 Thomas Lord Fairfax.
D. Spencer Hines
Fascinating post.
It *is* important. I can read most of it. Could you translate some of it
for us? I realize it is quite long. Could you please leave the Dutch names
in Dutch?
Perhaps you could show us the line of descent from Charlemagne.
We all might even learn some Dutch --- and that would be a good thing.
Thank you.
D. Spencer Hines
--
"Well, that's what I mean. You know, if all the people who are named
...deny it....That's all, I mean, I expect them to come looking into it and
interview you and everything, uh, but I just think that if everybody's on
record denying it you've got no problem.....I wonder if I'm going to be
blown out of the water with this. I don't see how they can...if they don't,
if they don't have pictures."
Governor Bill Clinton --- Telephonic Advice to Gennifer Flowers [1991]
Ph.J. van Dael wrote in message <34EF1545...@pi.net>...
>By mistake I have deleted a message of the list about Fairfaix/Colepper.
>What I recall is that the sender was curious about any links to English
>royalty. (Why is it that Americans are so deperate to prove their
>ancestry from nobility and kings, etc.?)
>
>I cannot provide English royals, but Thomas Colepepper married a Dutch
>girl, and it is probable that she is a descendant from Charlemagne.
<snip>
DavidBotts
BTW: If you can run a line to Charlemagne, we should be able to cousin members
of the Gaines family who married into the families Botts with those Botts
descended of Lord Fairfax..
Dave Botts
Ph.J.van Dael
Here are again the quarterings of Margaretha van Hesse with additions to
Eustace II of Boulogne, from whome you can find your way to Charlemagne.
Speciaal op verzoek van de heer D. Spencer Hines geef ik een lijn naar
Karel de Grote weer die loopt over Baerte van IJsselstein. Bent u
misschien ook geïnteresseerd in de genealogie van het
Amstel/IJsselstein?
Jan Klesser: als je dit leest weet je in ieder geval dat je mailinglist
werkt!
1. Margaretha van Hesse, tr. Thomas Colepepper
2. Jan (van) Hes(se), door koop heer van Piershil en Weena, overl. 1637,
tr. 2) Anna van Berchem (kinderloos), tr. 1)
3. Catharina (Clara) van Cats
4. Hans Hes, tr. 4.8.1601
5. Barbara van Panhuijsen (hertr. raadsheer Vosbergen), geb. Antwerpen 9
sept. 1579. overl. ‘s-Gravenhage 3 okt. 1638, begr. aldaar 11 okt. in de
Kloosterker. Na diens dood hertrouwde zij te Leiden 14 juli 1609 Caspur
van Vosbergen, raadsheer in de Hoge Raad.
6. Abel van Cats, overl. 1606, tr.
7. Charlotte van Tuijll van Serooskerke, overl. 1629.
8. Jan Hes, koopman te Middelburg, dood in 1572, tr.
9. Margaretha van Nispen Gerrit Gerritsz.dr.
10. Peter Panhuijs Servaesz., burger te Antwerpen, begr. Oude Kerk te
Amsterdam 12 nov. 1585, tr. ald. 1561
11. Margaretha Hooftman, begr. Oude Kerk te Amsterdam 15 nov. 1585
12. Mr. Anthonius van Cats, overl. 1554, tr.
13. Maria van Coulster, overl. na 1562.
22. Bartholomeus Hooftman, koopman, schepen en burgemeester van Trier
24. Willem van Cats, heer van Cats, Kapelle, Biezelinge en Simonspolder,
admi-raal van Zeeland, baljuw van Goes, overl. vóór 9-7-1523, tr. 1509
25. Maria van Bruelis, beleend te Reimerswaal 1492 en te Lodijke 1496,
herenigt alle goederen van haar ouders op Zuid-Beveland, overl. 1542
48. Jacob van Cats, tr.
49. Elisabeth van Ruyven.
98. Willem van Ruyven, geb. ca. 1415, overl. 1455, tr. 1444/45
99. Agnes van Riedwijck Doevendr.
196. Claes van Ruyven, geb.ca. 1370(?), overl. 1427, tr. voor 1400
197. Agnes van Schoten
198. Doeve van Riedwijck Willemsz., tr.
199. Baerte van Egmond van Merensteyn, zij kreeg in 1414 van haar oudste
broer een halve korentiende te Assendelft en was in 1440 nog in leven.
392. Claes van Ruyven, overl. voor 15.6.1393, tr. 1356
393. Liesbeth van Zaenden
394. Willem van Schoten, tr.
395. Machteld Claes Simonsz.dr.
398. Aelbrecht van Egmond van Merensteyn, werd op 16.3.1382 als opvolger
van zijn vader beleend, tr.
399. Agnes van Beesde, werd gelijftocht op 15.4.1385
786. Hugo van Zaenden Willemsz.
796 . Jan van Egmond van Merensteyn, werd in 1345 tot ridder geslagen,
overl. voor 16.3.1382, tr. 2)
797. Baerte van IJsselstein, werd getocht door haar man op 29.11.1360
1592. Aelbrecht Floris heren Wouterszn. van Egmond, gegoed o.m. te
Beverwijk, op 14.7.1329 wordt als zijn echtgenote vermeld
1593. Elisabeth van der Woude
1594. Otto van IJsselstein, overl. voor 1.3.1353, tr. 2) Mechteld van
Zuilen, tr. 1)
1595. Berta Grauwert,
3184. Floris heren Woutersz., in 1296 kastelein van Medemblik, in 1298
baljuw van Hoogwouderambacht en Drechterland.
3188. Gijsbert van Amstel, ridder, heer van Benschop, vermeld 1290-1342,
beleend met IJsselstein, stichtte de stad en de St. Nicolaeskerk ald. in
het kerspel Eiteren, overl. tussen 9 mei 1342 en 2 okt. 1343 , begr.
IJsselstein (St. Nicolaeskerk), tr. ca. 1280
3189. Bertha van Heukelom, overl. 25.2.1322, begr. IJsselstein (St.
Nicolaeskerk).
6376. Arnold van Amstel, ridder, heer van Benschop, vermeld 1267-1290,
bouwde de burcht IJsselstein , overl. 1291, tr.
6377. Johanna, vermeld als diens weduwe in 1300.
12752. Gijsbrecht (III) van Amstel, geb. ca. 1200, heer van Amstel,
ministeriaal van de bisschop van Utrecht, ridder. Getuige voor de elect
Otto in 1238 (samen met zijn vader), 1239 , 1240 , mogelijk ook in
1241 , 1244 (2x) ; in 1245 verkoopt Gijsbrecht van Vechten 12 morgen
land bij Amelisweerd, welke hij in leen van Gijsbrecht van Amstel en in
achterleen van de bisschop houdt, aan de abdij van Oostbroek en hij zal
ze de abdij in volle eigendom overdragen zodra het leenverband is
opgeheven ; belooft in 1247 aan de voogd, de raden en de gemeente van
Lubek zijn medewerking om aan hun medeburgers, die in de strijd tegen de
rover Markward Culen gewond zijn, hun schade te doen herstellen, en
verzoekt daarentegen aan zijn mannen hun kogge te doen teruggeven ; in
1247 getuige als de rooms-koning Willem zekere bij Delft gelegen
landerijen aan zijn tante Richarda geeft en deze ze vervolgens aan de
Duitse orde schenkt ; getuige voor het kapittel van Oudmunster te
Utrecht in 1247 ; in 1249 getuige voor de echtgenote van Gijsbrecht van
Ruwiel en in 1248/49 onder de zegelaars voor Gijsbrecht van Ruwiel ,
zou volgens Greidanus overleden zijn in 1354 (hoe komt’ie daaraan?). Tr.
12753. NN van Kuijc
25506. Albert, heer van Kuijc, geb. ca. 1160, overl. 1233, tr. ca. 1195
25507. Nargaretha van Merum
51012. Hendrik II van Kuijc, geb. ca. 1130, overl. 1204, tr. ca. 1160
51013. Sophia van Renen, vermeld 1191-1203
51014. Rutger van Merum, tr.
51015. Aleijdis (van Horne?)
102024. Herman van Kuijc, geb. ca. 1100, overl. ca. 1168, tr. ca. 1130
102025. NN (waarschijnlijk een dochter uit het huis Laroche/Namen)
204048. Hendrik I van Kuijc, geb. ca. 1070, overl. voor 9.8.1108, tr.
ca. 1100
204049. Alveradis (gravin van Hochstaden), vermeld 1108-1131
408096. Herman (van Malsen), vermeld 1057, ca. 1080, tr. ca. 1070
408097. Ida van Boulogne (zij hertrouwt ca. 1080 Cono graaf de Montaigu)
408098. Gerard I van Hochstaden, tr.
408099. Aleijdis van Wickrath (does anyone now her ancestors?)
816194. Eustachius II graaf van Boulogne ca. 1049, ging met Willem de
Veroveraar naar Engeland, overl. ca. 1080. From him you can easily find
your way to Charlemagne.
Could you give us the descendants in the States of Margaretha van Hesse?
William Addams Reitwiesner
leef...@pi.net (Ph.J.van Dael) wrote:
>Here are again the quarterings of Margaretha van Hesse with additions to
>Eustace II of Boulogne, from whome you can find your way to Charlemagne.
Well, maybe not.
<bandwidth snip>
>408096. Herman (van Malsen), vermeld 1057, ca. 1080, tr. ca. 1070
>408097. Ida van Boulogne (zij hertrouwt ca. 1080 Cono graaf de Montaigu)
>816194. Eustachius II graaf van Boulogne ca. 1049, ging met Willem de
>Veroveraar naar Engeland, overl. ca. 1080. From him you can easily find
>your way to Charlemagne.
That Herman's wife Ida was of the family of the Counts of Boulogne is
reported in *Europaeische Stammtafeln*, ed. Schwennicke, Band VIII, Tafel
35 as just a guess. She's not shown as one of the children of Eustace in
Schwennicke Band III Tafel 621.
>Could you give us the descendants in the States of Margaretha van Hesse?
From the second edition of Cokayne's *Complete Peerage*, vol III, p. 365,
note (a), she had only one child, a daughter named Catherine, who married
Thomas Fairfax, 5th Lord Fairfax. Cokayne, vol V, p. 232, note (d), shows
that after the deaths, without surviving issue, of their sons (the 6th and
7th Lords), the property was inherited by their sister, Catherine's only
daughter Frances, who married Denny Martin, and had two sons, neither of
whom had children. This would mean that the last descendant of Margaretha
van Hesse died in 1821, and that she has no living descendants in the
States or anywhere else. See also Ruvigny, *Plantagenet Roll of the Blood
Royal*, Anne of Exeter volume [1907], Table LXIII.
William Addams Reitwiesner
wr...@erols.com
"Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc."
DavidBotts
Help Help You All:
We are trying to sort out the Fairfax, Culpeper, Botts tie. All help
appreciated from you all with access to books we do not have.
RE:From the second edition of Cokayne's *Complete Peerage*, vol III, p. 365,
note (a), she had only one child, a daughter named Catherine, who married
Thomas Fairfax, 5th Lord Fairfax. Cokayne, vol V, p. 232, note (d), shows
that after the deaths, without surviving issue, of their sons (the 6th and
7th Lords), the property was inherited by their sister, Catherine's only
daughter Frances, who married Denny Martin, and had two sons, neither of
whom had children. This would mean that the last descendant of Margaretha
van Hesse died in 1821, and that she has no living descendants in the
States or anywhere else. See also Ruvigny, *Plantagenet Roll of the Blood
Royal*, Anne of Exeter volume [1907], Table LXIII.
Taking this into consideration we have some confusion here.
From the Database of One Million Claimed Relations to the Families Botts
work-in-process lines
("&" marks the iffy entries)
1 Thomas Fairfax 1560 - 1640
+Wife of Thomas Fairfax WFT Est. 1560-1567 -
.. 2 Ferdinando Fairfax 1584 - 1647/48
. +Wife of Ferdinando Fairfax WFT Est. 1584-1594 - 1619
..... 3 Thomas Fairfax 1611/12 - 1671
.... +Anne Vere WFT Est. 1607-1623 - 1665
........ 4 Mary Fairfax 1636 - 1704
....... +George Villiers WFT Est. 1627-1640 -
..... 3 ? Fairfax WFT Est. 1612-1619 -
.... +? Martin WFT Est. 1612-1619 -
........ 4 Philip Fairfax WFT Est. 1651-1674 - Bef. 1711
....... +Catherine Culpeper 1670 - 1719
**Catherine is the descendant of Marguritte (as writted in the Deed
of Thomas Botts
for 198 Acres in Stafford County from Lady Catherine Fairfax,
1711.) This
Marguritte who m. Thomas Culpeper is AKA Margaretha van Hess**
............ 5 Frances
+ Denny Martin
6 Child of Denny Martin
6 Child of Denny Martin
............ 5 Thomas 'the Proprietor' Fairfax WFT Est. 1669-1714 - Aft. 1747
........... + Wife of Thomas Fairfax WFT Est. 1669-1714 -
............... 6 &Sophia L. Fairfax's grandfather
..................... 7 &Sophia L. Fairfax's Father
........................ 8 John W. Fairfax WFT Est. 1813-1833 -
....................... +Wife of John W. Fairfax WFT Est. 1813-1833 -
............................ 9 Henry Fairfax 1850 - 1916
........................... +Eugenia Baskerville 1873 -
........................ 8 ? Fairfax WFT Est. 1813-1833 -
....................... +? Jones WFT Est. 1813-1833 -
............................ 9 R. M. Jones WFT Est. 1829-1873 -
............................ 9 W. B. Jones WFT Est. 1829-1873 -
........................ 8 Sophia L. Fairfax 1823 - 1895 <<<" a ggd of Lord
Fairfax - which
one, if not Thomas or his Younger
Bro
ther?>>
..................... +William Alexander Botts 1811 - 1861
.............. 5 The Younger Brother and 7th Lord Fairfax
Article that appeared in the "Fredericksburg Star", Fredericksburg, VA, dated
Apr 27, 1895, pg 2, column 2: "Mrs. Sophia L. Botts, mother of the late W. A.
Botts and of Mr. E. C. Botts, died at her residence near Stafford Store, on the
22nd instant. She was a sister of Col. John Fairfax, of Loudoun, and an aunt
of State Senator Henry Fairfax, of Loudoun, and of Mr. W. B. (could be R.)
Jones, of Ludlow, near Roseville, Va." Article that appeared in the "
Fredericksburg Star", Fredericksburg, VA, dated Apr 30, 1895, pg 3, column 2:
"A Good Woman Goes to Her Rest. Mrs. Sophia Fairfax Botts, relict of the late
Wm. Botts, died at her home in Stafford county on Monday, April 22, 1895, aged
72. She had.a great sufferer from partial paralysis for a year or
more,...(she bore?) her affliction with great fortitude. She was a lady of
cheerful disposition and of rare conversational powers. She leaves six
children, three sons and three daughters, all grown, with numerous grand
children to mourn their loss. Mrs. Botts was of ... ancestry, being a great
grand daughter of Lord Fairfax of colonial...owned all the land in what is
called the Northern Neck of Virginia, lying between the Rappahannock and
Potomac rivers, and from the Chesapeake bay back to the Alleghany mountains.
Lord Fairfax, inherited the above land from Lord Culpeper whose daughter he
married. She was a sister of Col. John W. Fairfax, of Loudoun county, who
was Gen. Longstreet's Chief of Staff during our late war; an aunt of Hon.
Henry Fairfax of the same county, also an aunt of Messrs. R. M. and W. B.
Jones of Stafford county."
........ 6 Robert Fairfax 1703 - Bef. 1794
....... +Wife of Robert Fairfax WFT Est. 1705-1764 -
........... 7 Bryan Fairfax WFT Est. 1750-1793 - Aft. 1811
.......... +Elizabeth Cary WFT Est. 1775-1795 -
............. 8 Ninth Baron Lord Fairfax WFT Est. 1811 -
............ +Wife of Ninth Baron Lord Fairfax WFT Est. 1800-1811 -
............... 9 Charles Snowden Fairfax 1829 - 1869
.............. +Ada Benham Abt. 1835 - 1888
............. 8 Children of Bryan Fairfax WFT Est. 1811-1833 -
.... 4 &Henry Fairfax WFT Est. 1651-1674 - 1708
.... +Anne Harrison WFT Est. 1651-1674 -
...... 5 William Fairfax 1691 - 1757
..... +Sarah Walker WFT Est. 1681-1706 - 1730/31
....... 6 <more sons Fairfax>
....... 6 George William Fairfax 1724 - 1787
........ +Sally Cary 1730 - 1811
....... 6 Sarah Fairfax 1728 - 1761
...... +John Carlyle 1719/20 - 1780
....... 6 Ann 'Nancy' Fairfax 1728 - 1761
......... +Lawrence Washington Abt. 1723 - 1752
.......... 7 Sarah Washington Abt. 1745 - 1752
......... +George Lee 1714 - 1757
.......... 7 George Fairfax Lee 1754 - 1804
.......... 7 Lancelot Lee 1756 -
.......... 7 William Lee 1758 - 1838
.... +Deborah ? WFT Est. 1691-1711 -
... 3 &Younger Son of Ferdinando Fairfax WFT Est. 1612-1619 - Bef. 1671
. 2 Younger Son of Thomas Fairfax WFT Est. 1585-1600 -
+Wife of Younger Son of Thomas Fairfax WFT Est. 1585-1600 -
... 3 Henry Fairfax Abt. 1607 - 1693
Thanks,
Dave Botts
Dave Botts<...<Thomas Botts>...>William Alexander Botts
DavidBotts
Update to the Lords Fairfax query:
Sophia L. Fairfax's father has now been identified as Henry Fairfax b.
September 29, 1774 in Charles County, **Maryland**, d. October 06, 1847, "a
shipping magnate of Dumfries, Virginia"
Sophia's brother has been identified as John Walter Fairfax
Charles Snowden Fairfax 1829-1869 died at the home of his mother in Baltimore,
**Maryland**
Seems we have some progress, but we could use you peerage experts to get our
Lords Fairfax down right.
For all you cousins of the family of Thomas Botts of Virginia Botts out there
on the newsgroup<g>, for bonus points, who can connect William Fairfax Gray to
the Lord's Fairfax. He was a 19th century cousin of Walter Browne Botts.
Together with William's son, Peter W. Gray, Walter founded what became the
"little" law firm of Baker and Botts.
Dave Botts
San Antonio, Texas
Ph.J.van Dael
William Addams Reitwiesner wrote:
> leef...@pi.net (Ph.J.van Dael) wrote:
>
> >Here are again the quarterings of Margaretha van Hesse with additions to
> >Eustace II of Boulogne, from whome you can find your way to Charlemagne.
>
> Well, maybe not.
>
> <bandwidth snip>
>
> >408096. Herman (van Malsen), vermeld 1057, ca. 1080, tr. ca. 1070
> >408097. Ida van Boulogne (zij hertrouwt ca. 1080 Cono graaf de Montaigu)
>
> >816194. Eustachius II graaf van Boulogne ca. 1049, ging met Willem de
> >Veroveraar naar Engeland, overl. ca. 1080. From him you can easily find
> >your way to Charlemagne.
>
> That Herman's wife Ida was of the family of the Counts of Boulogne is
> reported in *Europaeische Stammtafeln*, ed. Schwennicke, Band VIII, Tafel
> 35 as just a guess. She's not shown as one of the children of Eustace in
> Schwennicke Band III Tafel 621.
Yes, your are right, in Schwennicke's *Europaeische Stammtafeln*, Band VIII,
Tafel
35, "de Boulogne" is put between brackets, just as Eustace II of Boulogne and
his wife Ida of Lorraine. Band VIII was published in 1979, and in the
Literaturverzeichnis you will see that Schwennicke's source is (a.o) Dr. J.A.
Coldeweij, who took his doctors-degree in 1981 from his thesis "De heren van
Kuijc 1096-1400)", only a few years later. Sadly Coldeweij died in 1996,
(after tracing Kuijcs for all his life) but from our conversations I am
convinced that it is more than probable that Ida was the daughter of Eustache
of Boulogne.
His theses (in Dutch) almost starts with Ida van Boulogne:
In a charter of the year 1096 (Sloet, Oorkondeboek der Graafschappen Gelre en
Zutphen, nr. 196, anno 1096) "van Kuijc" is mentioned for the first time. As
one of the witnesses for Ida of Lorraine, widow of count Eustace of Boulogne,
and her son Godfrey of Bouillon, is mentioned: "Henricus de Cuck". Ida and
Godfrey acknowledge the gift in favour of the abbey of Afflighem of specific
rights of some lands.
As the first two witnesses in the charters are mentioned two members of the
counts of Gelre "Gerardus comes de Gelre et frater eius Henricus": Gerard II
van Wassenberg-Gelre and Hendrik van Kriekenbeek. Then follows Godschalk "de
Iacen" (= Jauche or Geten). After him "our" "Henricus de Cuck", and after him
"Arnulphus de Rode", followed by: "Cono de Montaut" (= Montaigu), Dirk van
Bemmel, Hendrik van Bierbeek and others.
The fact that two members of the Gelre-family come first as witnesses gives
the strong impression that the are closely related to Ida. In the same year
Gerard van Wassenberg-Gelre and his uncle Gozewijn van Heinsberg (father's
brother), are witnesses, when castle Bouillon is sold to bishop Otbert van
Luik. Gozewijn possessed a part in this castle. When Ida, mother of Godfried
van Bouillon, sells her allodia at Baisy and Genappe to the abbey at Nijvel,
among the witnesses there are even three member of the Gelre-family: Gerard,
his brother Hendrik and Gozewijn van Heinsberg.
About the next witness in the 1096-charter, Godschalk "de Iacen", nothing is
known.
Significant is Hendrik van Kuijc's place before Cono van Montaigu. Hendrik
must have been about 25 years of age and Cono a generation older. About Cono
van Montaigu is known that he was married to a (half?)sister of Godfrey of
Bouillon and that he died in 1106.
Butkens in his family-tree of Boulogne, although not always reliable,
mentiones a sister of Godfrey's father as "Mere de l'éveque Godefroid". He
doesn't further specifies this bishop. Although Butkens is wrong about the
generation, he could be right. Butkens was not known with the fact that
Hendrik I van Kuijc, besides a brother Andreas, also had a brother called
Godfried. It is known that the mother of Andreas van Kuijc, bishop of
Utrecht, was Ida van Boulogne. Combine these fact and draw your conclusions.
It is very probable that Ida van Boulogne, sister or halfsister of Godfrey of
Bouillon, married (for the first time) ca. 1070 with Herman (not yet called
"van Kuijc") and were the parents of Hendrik I van Kuijc. After Herman's death
(about 1080) she could be remarried to Cono the Montaigu, also widower
himself.
> >Could you give us the descendants in the States of Margaretha van Hesse?
>
> >From the second edition of Cokayne's *Complete Peerage*, vol III, p. 365,
> note (a), she had only one child, a daughter named Catherine, who married
> Thomas Fairfax, 5th Lord Fairfax. Cokayne, vol V, p. 232, note (d), shows
> that after the deaths, without surviving issue, of their sons (the 6th and
> 7th Lords), the property was inherited by their sister, Catherine's only
> daughter Frances, who married Denny Martin, and had two sons, neither of
> whom had children. This would mean that the last descendant of Margaretha
> van Hesse died in 1821, and that she has no living descendants in the
> States or anywhere else. See also Ruvigny, *Plantagenet Roll of the Blood
> Royal*, Anne of Exeter volume [1907], Table LXIII.
>
Maybe David Botts will react to this?
Philip van Dael
Rhenen, Holland
JKent...@aol.com
In a message dated 98-02-24 14:46:37 EST, david...@aol.com writes:
<< From the Database of One Million Claimed Relations to the Families Botts >>
Yo, Dave, good buddy, you got my curiosity up. Just who was the first Botts
and when?
Jno
David...@aol.com
RE: Just who was the first Botts and when?
Hi Jno and all:
Seems we Botts have been around since Adam.<g>
Adam de Botts of County Berf, England 1273 is the first I know of , but I
cannot tie him to later Botts
Ref: Dictionary of English and Welsh Names, Barchley.
Robert, Richard and Henry Botts appear in various English locations within the
13th century
These are among the oldest Botts in the US:
Isaac Botts, killed by Indians up in Maine in October 16, 1675.
Thomas Botts (what we call Thomas Botts I b. cc 1586-1653 ) shows up in
Jamestown, Virginia Records and possibly had two brothers, maybe the father
of:
Thomas Botts (what we call Thomas Botts II b. abt 1674) the proven ancestor to
my line. Radiating out from his son, Seth, are about 80 grandchildren alone.
There are another dozen as yet unrelated who wash ashore in the early years of
American history. On their heels came the Germanic Botts and Bott's.
William Addams Reitwiesner
david...@aol.com (DavidBotts) wrote:
<chomp>
>........ 4 Philip Fairfax WFT Est. 1651-1674 - Bef. 1711
>....... +Catherine Culpeper 1670 - 1719
>............ 5 Thomas 'the Proprietor' Fairfax WFT Est. 1669-1714 - Aft. 1747
>........... + Wife of Thomas Fairfax WFT Est. 1669-1714 -
You might want to check your chronology here, as you're claiming that a
woman born in 1670 had a son who was born in 1669.
DavidBotts
In the database of One Million a "WFT" date is a plug, pending better
information. You are right that this plug is wrong.
Back to the Lords and Barons Fairfax
Q. 1 Are the Baroncy and Lordship Fairfax severable? Can one be Baron #4 and
another be Lord #4?
Q. 2 I have the strong impression that the peerage can pass throgh maternal
lines. Is this the case?
Q. 3 My sources are showing Fairfax's who were born Martin's. This is adding
to the confusion in the line?
Q. 4 I thought Burke's Peerage was iffy. Any comments on its accuracy, at
least in the edition cited earlier in the list?
Q. 5 "Bonus Points" - Baron Theo Bracht of Belgium is buying up downtown San
Antonio through the shell, Euro-Alamo Investments. Who can tell me where to
get a lead on this Baron?
As you might guess, we may try to "Botts" him<g>.
Thanks,
Dave Botts
San Antonio, Texas
"Where we engrave the names of Botts cousins down at the Alamo. At least those
cousins in the Harrison, Darst and Garnett families<g>"
William Addams Reitwiesner
david...@aol.com (DavidBotts) wrote:
>In the database of One Million a "WFT" date is a plug, pending better
>information. You are right that this plug is wrong.
>
>Back to the Lords and Barons Fairfax
>
>Q. 1 Are the Baroncy and Lordship Fairfax severable? Can one be Baron #4 and
>another be Lord #4?
Different names for the same thing. The 4th Baron *is* the 4th Lord.
>Q. 2 I have the strong impression that the peerage can pass throgh maternal
>lines. Is this the case?
Not the Fairfax peerage.
>Q. 3 My sources are showing Fairfax's who were born Martin's. This is adding
>to the confusion in the line?
You didn't cite your sources, so I have no idea what they are showing.
>Q. 4 I thought Burke's Peerage was iffy. Any comments on its accuracy, at
>least in the edition cited earlier in the list?
Some of the material in *each* edition of Burke's is good, and some of it
is not. You shouldn't use Burke's as a source for 11th century
connections, but you can (usually) use it as a source for 19th and 20th
century connections.
>Q. 5 "Bonus Points" - Baron Theo Bracht of Belgium is buying up downtown San
>Antonio through the shell, Euro-Alamo Investments. Who can tell me where to
>get a lead on this Baron?
>As you might guess, we may try to "Botts" him<g>.
You may well try and do so, but since he's not a medieval personage,
discussion of him and his connections is off-topic in a medieval genealogy
newsgroup.
DavidBotts
Hi All:
"He had, by his wife Anne, one only daughter, born in 1636, and married to
George Villiers, Second Duke of Buckingham, and who died in 1704. He was
succeeded by his cousin Henry (grandson of the First Lord Fairfax), as Fourth
Baron. Henry died in 1693, aged 86, without issue. Then his estates devolved to
his *sister's son, Philip Martin (who took the name of Fairfax), a
Lieutenant-General in the army.*"
SRC: The Manx Society, Introductory note (1) by J.G.Cumming., The Manx Society,
(Published 1868, reprinted in the rather scarce appendix to Daniel King's
Vale-Royall
Is Philip the Fifth Baron Fairfax of Cameron? Would appreciate any help as we
seem to be finding a bunch of Fairfax's and Martin's .
Thanks,
Dave Botts
BTW, we are finding tons of Fairfax's in the vicinity of where Charles Snowden
Fairfax died at his mother's house in Maryland.
He was: Lord Charles Snowden Fairfax, tenth Baron of Cameron, Scotland, whose
British ancestors were given the grant of land by the British Crown which
became the province and then the state of Virginia.
William Addams Reitwiesner
david...@aol.com (DavidBotts) wrote:
>Hi All:
>
>"He had, by his wife Anne, one only daughter, born in 1636, and married to
>George Villiers, Second Duke of Buckingham, and who died in 1704. He was
>succeeded by his cousin Henry (grandson of the First Lord Fairfax), as Fourth
>Baron. Henry died in 1693, aged 86, without issue. Then his estates devolved to
>his *sister's son, Philip Martin (who took the name of Fairfax), a
>Lieutenant-General in the army.*"
>
>SRC: The Manx Society, Introductory note (1) by J.G.Cumming., The Manx Society,
> (Published 1868, reprinted in the rather scarce appendix to Daniel King's
>Vale-Royall
>
>Is Philip the Fifth Baron Fairfax of Cameron?
No. The 5th Baron Fairfax of Cameron was Thomas, oldest son of Henry, the
4th Baron (who actually died in 1688 aged 56 and with issue). Thomas died
in 1710 and was succeeded by his oldest son, another Thomas, 6th Baron, who
died unmarried in 1782. This Thomas was succeeded by his brother, Robert,
7th Baron, who died in 1793, age 86, and whose sister's son was Philip
Martin alias Fairfax, who eventually inherited the estates. Looks like
your Manx Society note skipped a whole century and two generations, and got
the guy's name wrong.
In 1793 the peerage (and not the estates) was inherited by Robert's first
cousin once removed, Bryan Fairfax, 8th Baron, who was a grandson of a
younger brother of the 5th Baron and thus a great-grandson of the 4th Baron
(who your source claims had no children). All subsequent Barons Fairfax of
Cameron, including the current one, are descended from Bryan. For further
details see the second edition of Cokayne's *Complete Peerage*, vol. V, pp.
229-234.
DavidBotts
Hi all:
Many thanks to William and all you helpful folks in the group. We are getting
closer to the bottom of the Fairfax story here.
Dave Botts
BTW: In keeping to list subject matter any one familiar with the Garnett's of
16th century:
Kirby Lonsdale, Lancashire, England
Kendall, Westmoreland County, England
Eaglescliffe, Westmoreland County, England
Casterton, Lancashire, England
Ipswich, Ipswich County, England
Q. 1 Are these families connected?
Q. 2 Which, if any, are associated with Castle Dairy in England?
Also, what is known of the family of Vivian de Gernet, the appointed Hereditary
Forester of the royal forest in Lancashire County between the Ribble and the
Mersey Rivers? The Office was held in his family cc 1100-1300 per my notes.
DavidBotts
Hi All:
This seems to be the Lords Fairfax 1-7. No Botts prove out as descended of the
Lords Fairfax line. The Botts family link point still holding together appears
at Ann 'Nancy' Fairfax, the same link point for the family of Napoleon. Thanks
for the help on Fairfax and Colepeper lines.
Dave Botts
1 Thomas 1 Fairfax 1560 - 1640
.. +Ellen Aske WFT Est. 1560-1567 - 1620
. 2 Ferdinando 2 Fairfax 1584 - 1647/48
..... +Wife of Ferdinando Fairfax WFT Est. 1584-1594 - 1619
..... 3 Thomas 3 'Black Tom' Fairfax 1611/12 - 1671
......... +Anne Vere WFT Est. 1607-1623 - 1665
......... 4 Mary Fairfax 1636 - 1704
............. +George Villiers WFT Est. 1627-1640 -
..... 3 Younger Son of Ferdinando Fairfax WFT Est. 1612-1619 - Bef. 1671
. 2 Henry Fairfax WFT Est. 1585-1607 - 1665
..... +Mary Cholmley WFT Est. 1585-1609 - 1649/50
..... 3 Thomas Fairfax 1627/28 - 1640
..... 3 Henry 4 Fairfax Abt. 1632 - 1688
......... +Frances Barwick WFT Est. 1630-1656 - 1682/83
......... 4 Thomas 5 Fairfax WFT Est. 1651-1674 - 1710
............. +Catherine 'Cate' Culpeper 1670 - 1719<Previously discussed on
list
............. 5 Ann? 'Older Sister' Fairfax WFT Est. 1690-1714 -
................. +? Martin WFT Est. 1680-1714 -
............. 5 Thomas 6 'the Proprietor' Fairfax 1692 - 1782
............. 5 Catherine Fairfax WFT Est. 1693-1715 - 1716
............. 5 Frances Fairfax WFT Est. 1693-1715 -
............. 5 Henry 'Harry' Culpepper Fairfax WFT Est. 1693-1715 -
............. 5 Mary Fairfax WFT Est. 1693-1715 -
............. 5 Robert 7 'Robin' Fairfax 1707 - 1793
................. +Martha Collins WFT Est. 1705-1764 -
............. *2nd Wife of Robert 7 'Robin' Fairfax:
................. +Dorothy Sarah Best WFT Est. 1705-1764 -
......... 4 Henry 'of Toulston' Fairfax 1659 - 1708
............. +Anne Harrison WFT Est. 1651-1674 -
............. 5 William 'of Belvoir' Fairfax 1691 - 1757
................. +Sarah Walker WFT Est. 1681-1706 - 1730/31
(6 Ann 'Nancy' Fairfax=Lawrence Washington<Jane
Butler=Augustine Washington=Mary Ball>Elizabeth Washington>George Washington
Lewis>Mary Willis Lewis>1. Catherine Daingerfield Lewis=Achilles
Murat<Previously discussed on list and 2. Ann Carter Willis=Thomas Hutchison
Botts)
............. *2nd Wife of William 'of Belvoir' Fairfax:
................. +Deborah Clarke WFT Est. 1691-1711 -
..... 3 Bryan Fairfax 1623 - 1711
. 2 William Fairfax 1593 - 1621
. 2 Thomas Fairfax 1594 - 1621
. 2 Charles Fairfax 1594/95
Don McArthur
Hi,
I have now looked at the articles in DNB for Richard VAUGHAN, Bp London
and his son in law John JEGGON, Bp Norwich.
It states he was b c 1550 in Carnarvonshire, son of Thomas ap Robert
Vychan, by his wife (Catherine - IGI) GRIFFIN and d 1607 of appoplexy.
Can anyone extend Richards ancestry ?
John JEGGON's widow, Lilia (VAUGHAN, dau of above) m 1619 Sir Charles
CORNWALLIS, so there is a connection after all.
--
Regards,
Don McArthur.
Listmoderator - MACAR...@rootsweb.com
Visit The MacArthur Family Tree Project -
http://www.web.netactive.co.za/~donmac
William Addams Reitwiesner
don...@netactive.co.za (Don McArthur) wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I have now looked at the articles in DNB for Richard VAUGHAN, Bp London
>and his son in law John JEGGON, Bp Norwich.
>
>It states he was b c 1550 in Carnarvonshire, son of Thomas ap Robert
>Vychan, by his wife (Catherine - IGI) GRIFFIN and d 1607 of appoplexy.
>
>Can anyone extend Richards ancestry ?
>
>John JEGGON's widow, Lilia (VAUGHAN, dau of above) m 1619 Sir Charles
>CORNWALLIS, so there is a connection after all.
Another daughter of Bishop Vaughan married Rev. Thomas Mallory, Dean of
Chester Cathedral, and was grandmother of several Virginia immigrants named
Mallory and Batte (see Roberts' *Royal Descents of 500 Immigrants*, pp.
313-314).
Both of Vaughan's parents are mentioned in Bartrum's *Welsh Genealogies AD
1400-1500*. Thomas ap Robert is found on "Gollwyn 7 (A3)", and Catherine
ferch Griffith is found on "Tr. G. 3 (E2)". Their ancestry can be traced
through that work and through Bartrum's earlier *Welsh Genealogies AD
300-1400* (depending of course on your acceptance of the reliability of the
Welsh pedigrees that Bartrum examined).