Bolles

[Cathryn Campbell]

It is with a certain degree of trepidation that I post to this site
after lurking for a few weeks. . .

I have recently become aware of a genealogy put together by George E
Williams of the Bolles family, tracing back 13 generations from the
immigrant Joseph Bolles who was born in1608 in Nottinghamshire and died at
Wells.Maine, in 1678. Is anyone familiar with this ancestry?

The line is traced as follows:

13. ALANE (or Alaine) BOLLE of Swineherd and of Bolle Hall,
Lincolnshire; was Lord of Swineherd during the reign of Henry III
(1216-1271)

12. THOMAS BOLLE was living in 1257. His oldest son, William held lands
in Conningesby, parcel of the Manor of Scrivelsby, of the Earl of Richmond
by knight service. Upon his death, and that of his issue, the estates
passed to:

11. JOHN BOLLE of Bolle Hall and Swineshead, born 1272. Upon the death of
the oldest son William and his issue the estates descended to "

10. GODFREY BOLLE of Swineshead:

9. JOHN BOLLE, of Swineshead was a member of Parliament in the 29th year
of the reign of Edward III (1355?). He married Joane Goddard, daughter and
heirss of Walter Goddard of Moulton:

8. RANDULPH BOLLE, of Swinehsherd, died before 1396. He founded a
chantry (????) at Algarkirke, and was Escheator before the 20th year of the
reign of Richard II. Married Katherine Pulvertoft, daughter and heiress of
John Pulvertoft of Bromfield in Lincolnshire:

7. JOHN BOLLE, Esquire, of Swineshead, married Mary Angevyne, daughter and
heires of William and Eleanor (DeAlderby) Angevyne:

6. WILLIAM BOLLE, Esquire, of Swineshead, married Anne Kyme, daughter of
John Kyme of Fiskeney:

5. JOHN BOLLE, Esquire, of Swineshead and Haugh, was Sheriff of
Lincolnshire in the 16th year of the reign of Edward IV (1477?). Died
before 1495 and buried in Lady Chapel of Gosberkirke Church. Married
Katherine Haugh, daughter and heiress of Richard and Anne (Bell) Haugh of
Haugh.:

4. WILLIAM BOLLES , third son of JOHN and Katherine, settled in Osberton,
Nottinghamshire in 1541, and married Elizabeth.

3. WILLIAM BOLLES of Wortham and Osberton (1495-1575) married (1) Margaret
Rawson, daughter of Henry Rawson and (2) Lucy Watts,daughter of John Watts,
and a widow of a Mr. Petty.:

2. BENJAMIN BOLLES, of Osberton; son of William and Lucy; he married Anne
Goodrick, daughter of Lyon Goodrick of Kirby, Lincolnshire:

1. THOMAS BOLLES, of Osberton, first child of Benjamin and Anne, born
December 22, 1576 at Osberton; married (1) Elizabeth Perkins, daughter of
Thomas Fishcake of Yorkshire; and (2) Mary Witham, daughter of William
Witham of Ledston and widow of a Mr. Jobson. Mary was created Baronetness
of Scotland.

JOSEPH BOLLES was the ninth child of Thomas and Elizabeth.

Knowing this is a site where people have, and express, opinions,
does anyone have any--or any information?

Thanks
Cathryn

[Cathryn Campbell]

PCR--thanks for your response. I am glad to know that there are a lot of
legitimate (perhaps not the best word) connections through Anne G. The
genealogy I am quoting also purports to follow her line back to Cedric--I
thought it was a bit much to start right out with that as my first post. I
will be sensitive to the connections between 5 John and 6 William--is there
a particular reason you are uncomfortable with this connection?

Thanks
Cathryn

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> From: Reedpcgen <reed...@aol.com>
> To: GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: Bolles
> Date: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 7:19 PM
>
> The line is correct back to Benjamin and perhaps two generations earlier.
A
> great deal of noble and royal ancestry can be traced through the
Goodricke
> ancestry. But I should like to see specific citations to evidence for
the
> ancestry behind Benjamin, especially for the connection between no. 5
John
> Bolle and no. 6 William, third son, who was of Osberton, co. Notts.
>
> The royalty traced through the Goodricke ancestry seems sound enough,
though.
>
> pcr
>

[Reedpcgen]

[Reedpcgen]

The Visitation of Nottingham in 1614 [HS 4], p. 94, gives Benjamin Bolles of
Osberton, co. Notts. (m. Anne Goodricke) as being son of William Bolle alias
Bolls of Osberton, aged 80 in 1575 [b. ca. 1495] by his second wife, Lucy
Watts, daughter and heir of John Watts, grocer of London, by his wife Alice
Gate (daughter of Richard Gate and his wife Lucey [sic], daughter of Richard
Benington). The Watts are given as bearing Gules, a cockatrice or, on a chief
argent a label ermine.

I have handwritten notes in my copy which state that Benjamin's father died 2
March 1582/3 and was buried at Worksop, co. Notts., 6 Apr. 1583. It looks to
be George Frederick Sherwood's handwriting [if this is his handwriting, he was
probably hired by someone to search the pedigree; there may be something in the
Sherwood Research Collection (microfilm), which I have not checked]. Lucy
Watts was a second wife, but the first wife died without issue.

Benjamin's father, William [b. ca. 1495] was son of "William Bolle al's Bolls
of Wortham in Com. Suff[olk] descended out of the house of Bolles of Haugh in
Com. Lincon [sic]". The handwritten note reads: "N. B. The first four
generations of this Bolle Ped: from William and Eliz: down to Benjamin are
preserved at Osberton in the remains of an old window".

So I am willing to believe the pedigree back to William Boll/Bolls and his wife
Elizabeth, whose parentage is unknown.

Benjamin's father received a patent of arms: "A pattent graunted by William
Flower Norrey to William Bolles of Osberton in Com. Nott. the 17th of Queen
Elizabeth." If there was no question of how William descended from the
Lincolnshire family, why get the patent, or why does it not show the exact
connection? So if this William was born ca. 1495, his father was probably born
1465-75. That makes the chronology of the connection shown in the Bolles
genealogy questionable.

This same information is echoed in _Transactions of the Thoroton Society 1901_
v. 5, pp. 13-14 and pedigree at end, but it is unable to add any information,
other than that Lucy, William's wife, was buried at Worksop 16 March 1560/1.
William married (3) Agnes ___ who was buried 2 November 1569.

None of the Lincolnshire Bolle pedigrees [note that their surname is never
spelled with the "s"] show a younger son who settled in co. Nottingham. I did
not see wills in the PCC or PCY that would help. I checked the early printed
volumes of Lincoln Wills, but found no Bolle will. So, I suggest you trace the
chronology of the Lincoln family [the visitation accounts are in Lincoln
Pedigrees and The Genealogist (London)] and see if it is even chronologically
possible for the pedigree proposed by the genealogy to work. I will be very
curious to hear what you find.

pcr

[Reedpcgen]

I guess I ought to be a little more specific about my last suggestion. The
purported pedigree shows:

5. JOHN BOLLE, Esquire, of Swineshead and Haugh, was Sheriff of Lincolnshire

in the 16th year of the reign of Edward IV (1477? [yes, 1476-7]). Died before

1495 and buried in Lady Chapel of Gosberkirke Church. Married Katherine Haugh,
daughter and heiress of Richard and Anne (Bell) Haugh of Haugh.:

4. WILLIAM BOLLES , third son of JOHN and Katherine, settled in Osberton,

Nottinghamshire in 1541 [WHAT RECORD PROVES THIS STATEMENT?], and married
Elizabeth.

So if this William (no. 4) were born say 1465-75, it seems possible he might
have been the William who was named as son of John Bolle in the Lincolnshire
visitations, but there is no proof that I have seen, and if the descent were
that close, why would his son William (no. 3) not have known the specific
connection, rather than saying 'descended out of the family of....' That kind
of wording generally indicates a more distant connection. And if we get a
better understanding of John Bolle's age, it may show that his son William was
probably older than the William of Suffolk (note that no. 4 is stated to have
been from Suffolk in the Nottinghamshire visitation).

Just for fun lets look at a possible rough chronology working back from a known
birth date in the Bolle of Haugh family:

1. John Bolle, Sheriff of Lincoln 1476-7 [b. say 1425-35? (this would make him
aged 40-50 when sheriff)]
2. Richard [b. say 1455]
3. Richard [b. say 1475-80?]
4. Richard, b. 1507 [not eldest son; second or third], Sheriff of Lincoln 4
Edward VI and 11 Eliz. I [1568-9], d. 1591/2, aged 85.

So even this brief estimation would make our William of Suffolk (no. 4 in the
genealogy) a full generation off. What I meant in my last post about examining
the chronology more carefully was that more records should be found which help
narrow the chronological possibilities.

Richard [b. say 1455] also had a son named William who was living 4 Jan. 1532/3
when mentioned in the will of his brother John Bolle of Moulton and
Stratford-at-Bowe, co. Middlesex, and Kelvedon Hall, co. Essex. But they are
stated to have had a brother and sister (George and Catherine) who were both
under age in 1532 [b. after 1511] so either there is a marriage that is not
evidenced in the visitation pedigrees (George and Catherine being children by a
younger second wife), or he had a very wide spread of children (as George and
Catherine's brother Richard was already having children of his own born by
1505).

So, again, we need more evidence.

pcr

[Raymond l. montgomery]

To whom it may concern
I am in need of futher information on one of my ancesters of which i am
not able to find any thing Except the orginal source.
The individual i am looking for is one Jervice or Gervice Colquhoun born
abt 1490 of Luss. (Montgomery of Rosemount manuscript page 4. and 204L
Vol3 page 72)
There are lots of Colquhouns of Luss how ever i do not seem to find any
one by this name in the books i have seen.
Jervice's daughter Elizabeth Colquhoun married John Adam Montgomery of
4th Larid of Braidstane. John and Elizabeth where born about 1514-9 of
Scotland.
Hope some one can help!
Sincerely
RAY

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