CALTHORPE of England
Chris Phillips
In outline, the pedigree of the Calthorp family of Norfolk, as given
originally in Blomefield's History of Norfolk, is as follows:
[1] Sir William de Calthorp, living c.1286,
nephew and heir of Walter de Suffield, bishop of Norwich (who d.1257),
married Cecilia, daughter of Sir Philip, and sister and heir of William, de
Burnham.
[2] Walter de Calthorp, living c.1323,
married Ela, daughter and heiress of ? de Stanhowe.
[3] Sir William Calthorp, died c.1359,
married Isabella (said to have been a daughter of John Lord Lovell of
Titchmarsh).
[4] Sir Oliver Calthorp, living c.1375,
married Isabel, daughter of Sir Robert, and sister and heir of Sir
Bartholomew, Bacon of Erwarton in Suffolk.
[5] Sir William Calthorp, d.1420,
married (i) Elaenor, daughter of John Mautby,
(ii) Sibyl, only dau and heir of Sir Edmund de Omer, and relict of John
Wythe (she d.1421).
[6] (by (i)) John Calthorp, predeceased his father,
married Anne, daughter and heir of John Wythe.
[7] Sir William Calthorp, b.c.1409, d.1494,
married (i) Elizabeth, daughter of Reginald, Lord Grey de Ruthin,
(ii) Elizabeth, dau and coheir of Sir Miles Stapleton.
I have not checked the details against original sources, but the main
features appear to be supported by evidence from records (although
chronologically, it seems possible there should be another William between
generations [1] and [2]). An account of the later members of the family is
given by James Lee-Warner, 'The Calthorps of Burnham', Norfolk Archaeology
ix, 1-19 (1884). A slightly more recent book on the family, by
C.W.Carr-Calthrop, 'Notes on the Families of Calthorpe and Calthrop'
(1933), unfortunately seems to be very confused and inaccurate.
The Jane Calthorp who married Thomas Peyton does not seem to appear in the
published pedigrees, at least not as a close relative of the Sir William
Calthorp who married Elizabeth Stapleton.
The earlier history of the family seems very confused. The sources
mentioned above suggest that the first Sir William was the son of a brother
of bishop Walter de Suffield called Roger de Hales, whose father was
another Walter de Suffield. But there does not seem to be definite evidence
for this assertion. There are earlier records relating to families known as
de Calthorp, de Suffield and de Hales, but it does not seem clear to me how
(or whether) these connect together. Blomefield suggests that the bishop
was a descendant of a younger son of the earlier de Calthorp family, from
whom he bought Calthorp. This family had held Calthorp by their service as
stewards of the abbey of St Benet Hulme. But again, there does not seem to
be any explicit evidence for the connection.
I have a lot more detailed notes on file, which I'll be happy to try to
send directly by email. If anyone knows of any more recent studies of the
family, or of any evidence to clear up the confusing parts of the pedigree,
I should be most interested to hear of it.
Chris Phillips
Cristopher Nash
Chris Phillips <cg.ph...@ic.ac.uk> wrote on 17 Jun 98:
Chris --
PMJI, but I appreciate (as I imagine Raymond Duquette does) the Calthorpe
summaries together with your intelligent caveats, and will want to pursue
these via Olde Blomefield, Lee-Warner & Carr-Calthrop for starters as well
as keeping eyes open-propped for newer stuff. In case these compilers
don't extend so far: I wonder if anything you have confirms that Elizabeth
Stapleton (and not Elizabeth Grey) is the mother of Anne Calthorp who m.
Sir Robert Drury?
I can't resist looking over Raymond Duquette's shoulder at your generous
offer of more detailed notes. If these are conveniently-enough bundled for
shipping without breaking your back, I'd be _extremely_ grateful for a copy!
Again, whatever, many thanks!
Cris
Cristopher Nash
P C Reed <reed...@aol.com > wrote on 17 June 98 --
>>In case these compilers don't extend so far: I wonder if anything you have
>confirms that Elizabeth Stapleton (and not Elizabeth Grey) is the mother of
>Anne Calthorp who m. Sir Robert Drury?
>A little info: Elizabeth Stapleton [d. of Sir Miles Stapleton of Ingham and
>Bedale (b. 1408, d. 30 Sep./1 Oct. 1466), MP, by his second wife (m. 1438)
>Katherine de la Pole (b. 1416, d. 13/14 Oct. 1488)] was b. 1441 (age 25+ in
>1466, 47+ on 5 Nov. 1489), d. 18 Feb. 1504/5, m. (1) by 7 Mar. 1463/4 as first
>wife, Sir William Calthorpe, b. Burnham Thorpe, co. Norfolk 30 Jan.
>1409/10, d.
>15 Nov. 1494 [son of Sir John Calthorpe and Anne Wythe], MP for Norfolk
>1445/6,
>sheriff 1441/2, 1458/9, 1463/4 and 1475/6.
>
>[NOTES: CIPM Hen. VII 1:218, no. 518; 2:568, no. 890; _The Genealogist
>(London,
>1903), n. s., 19:161-2, CP 5:397; Rev. James Lee-Warner, "The Calthorps of
>Burnham," Norfolk Archaeology (1885) 9:1-19; Wedgwood, History of Parliament,
>149-50; L & I 9:87-88.]
>
>Anne Calthorpe, their daughter, was living 31 May 1494 when mentioned in the
>will of her father. She m. (1) as first wife, Sir Robert Drury of Hawstead,
>co. Suffolk, d. 2 Mar. 1535/6, MP for Suffolk 1491/2, 1495 (Speaker 4 Ocdt.
>1495), 1497, 1504 and 1510; legatee of the "Ellesmere Chaucer" from John de
>Vere, Earl of Oxford (also his executor), member of the Privy Council 1526,
>bur. with his first wife at St. Mary's, Bury St. Edmund, co. Suffolk; he was
>son of Sir Roger Drury of Hawstead by Felice Denston.
>
>[NOTES: Arthur Campling, The History of the Family of Drury (Londoh, 1937),
>41-7; Wedgwood, 294; PCC 11 Fetiplace; J. J. Muskett, Suffolk Manorial
>Families
>(London, 1900) 1:311-14; Joan Corder ed., The Visitation of Suffolk, 1561
>(Harleian Society Publications, n. S., 2-3, 2 vols., London, 1981-84) 1:94-5,
>2:395-6.]
>
Thanks loads (I've been wondering where you were).
<Elizabeth Stapleton ... as first wife [who d. 18 Feb. 1504/5] ...
Anne Calthorpe ... was living 31 May 1494>
As you can guess, that's the combination I needed (having had the
Stapleton/de la Pole & Drury data but being previously unaware of William
Calthorpe's m. to Elizabeth [de] Grey or of Anne Calthorpe's dates). Never
entirely happy with Campling, Muskett and the printings of the Suffolk
Visitations prior to the annotated 1981-84 edition, I'm grateful, too, for
the extra sources. Thanks a lot, Paul!
Cris
wil...@travellog.com
In article <3.0.1.32.19980617181030.006a8258@pfsu-sgi>,
cg.ph...@ic.ac.uk (Chris Phillips) wrote:
> [7] Sir William Calthorp, b.c.1409, d.1494,
> married (i) Elizabeth, daughter of Reginald, Lord Grey de Ruthin,
> (ii) Elizabeth, dau and coheir of Sir Miles Stapleton.
I have John Fortescue (d.11/12/1472) Lord Chancelor/Chief Justice of Henry
VI of England as being married to Elizabeth daughter of Miles Stapleton.
This is from a German Ahnen-Tafeln published in 1870. Due to the
publishing date it may have some errors, can anyone shed some light on
this.
Thank you for any help you can provide.
William W. Eggers-Pierola
Reedpcgen
[Cristopher Nash wrote:]
Chris Phillips
>P C Reed <reed...@aol.com > wrote on 17 June 98 --
>>In case these compilers don't extend so far: I wonder if anything you have
The above information is much fuller than what I have for this period. The
only thing that confuses me a little is the reference to Elizabeth
Stapleton as the first wife of Sir William Calthorp. The sources I have
seen (including Lee-Warner) say that he married firstly Elizabeth, daughter
of Reginald, Lord Grey of Ruthin. She is said to have died in 1437
(apparently the source for this date is Weever's Funeral Monuments,
presumably from a monumental inscription). In this case the dates above
would suggest that Ann was Elizabeth Stapelton's daughter (certainly
Lee-Warner shows her as such).
>I have John Fortescue (d.11/12/1472) Lord >Chancelor/Chief Justice of Henry
>VI of England as being married to Elizabeth daughter of >Miles Stapleton.
>This is from a German Ahnen-Tafeln published in 1870. >Due to the
>publishing date it may have some errors, can anyone shed >some light on
>this.
>
>Thank you for any help you can provide.
>
>William W. Eggers-Pierola
Again, relying on Lee-Warner (whose date is not actually much later than
the source you mention):
he says in his chart 'Elizabeth, da & coh of Sir Miles Stapelton, wife of
2, Sir J. Fortescue of Punsborne, Herts, who d 28 July 1500; 3rly, Sir Edw.
Howard, K.G., Ld High Admiral, slain 25 Apr 1513. She ob 1509'.
In the text he comments further: 'She lived long enough to contract two or
(as some say) three subsequent marriages; first, with a namesake and
relation (see Biog.
Brit.) of Sir John Fortescue, Chief Justice of Henry VI, author of De
Laudibus, &c, and last, with the High Admiral, Sir Edward Howard[;] Lord
Scroop according to the Vitis Calthorpiana [Harleian manuscript 970], being
interposed between them. The Lord Scroop marriage is probably fabulous; and
as to the order of the other two, Blomefield is in difficulties, and even
contradicts himself ... Neither could the happy bridegroom [Fortescue] have
been the judge himself, who in 1425 was already a Governor of Lincoln's Inn
(see De Laudibus); and therefore at least ninety at the time of the
pretended marriage'.
In other words, Lee-Warner's solution to the difficulty with dates is to
make Elizabeth's husband John Fortescue a different man from the 'Chief
Justice'. Unfortunately, he does not cite any other sources than those
mentioned above...
Chris Phillips
Reedpcgen
Just a note of followup. I mistyped when I said "as first wife," as she
weasn't. Also, As Anne (Calthorpe) Drury's son and heir Sir William Drury of
Hawstead was born about 1500 (aged 36 in 1536), one would assume Anne would not
be all that old at his birth (barring five or ten daughters born before
William). So even if Anne were thirty when William was born, her year of birth
would be about 1470, well after the marriage date of her parents (by 7 March
1463/4). So I see every reason to believe she was daughter of Sir William
Calthorpe by Elizabeth Stapleton. I have information on the Fortescue family,
but won't have time to comment on them now. Sorry.
pcr
Chris Phillips
>I have seen the postings of Calthorpe of England and am >wondering if any
of you have information about a Judith >Calthorpe, b. ?, d. ?, m. Martin
Barnham, Feb. 1579/80. >The information I have states her father was
Martin >Calthorpe. Could anyone give me information about Judith
>Calthorpe and her lineage? Any help would be much >appreciated. Thanks
in advance
This Judith appears in Canon Lee-Warner's companion article, on 'The
Calthorps of Cockthorp' (Norfolk Archaeology ix 153-179, 1884), which
traces the descendants of Richard Calthorp of Cockthorp, a younger son of
Sir William Calthorp of Burnham Thorpe, by Sibilla St Omer, his second wife
(see my previous posting).
The descent given by Lee-Warner in the pedigree chart is (omitting siblings):
[1] Richard Calthorp arm, had Cockthorp from grandmother & ob. 1438. Will
Nor. Reg.
married Margaret, sister and heir of John Irmingland, [she] remar ...
Mekylfeld, and ob. 1480.
[Her] will prov. Dec 12 - Nor. Reg.
[2] John Calthorp Arm., founder of Carmelites at Blakeney, where brass.
Ob. 1503 - Will Nor. Reg.
married Alice, daughter of John Astley of Melton Constable
[3] Richard Calthorp, purchased Antingham 1537. Ob. 1554
- Will Nor. Reg. Brass at Antingham
married Ann daughter of Edmund Hastings and widow of Robt Reyens of
Overstrand. - Norf. Vis. She ob. 1562
[4] Sir Martin Calthorp, Ld Mayor of London. [John] Stow makes him son of
Martin 'sed perperam' [i.e. wrongly].
Vit. Cal. [Harleian MS 970: a 16th century collection of transcripts of
Calthorp evidences]
Ob. 1589 - Cant. Reg.
married Joan, daughter of Rd Heath and wid. of ... Freston,
[she] remar Ed. Boys 1590. [she] ob. 1592 - Will, Cant. Reg.
[5] Judith, wife of Sir M. Barnham of Kent - Nor. Vis.
A qua Buckles and Chutes - Vit. Cal.
I have not researched this branch at all, but it is dealt with in some
detail in Lee-Warner's text, and his work seems to be generally well
supported by references to wills, monumental inscriptions and other
records. However, there is one strange error, relating to the above: he
accepts the attribution of John Stow, the Tudor historian, of a heraldic
seal to Sir Martin Calthorp, despite the facts that the seal is inscribed
'C.C. 1594' and that it displays quarterings belonging to the senior
(Burnham Thope) branch of the family (Presumably the seal really belonged
to Charles Calthorp (d.1609), a grandson of Sir William Calthorp and
Elizabeth Stapleton, given in Lee-Warner's previous article.
Incidentally, Judith's sister Ann is described as marrying Sir T.Peyton,
and Jane, a three-times great granddaughter of [2] above, as marrying 2ndly
Sir E. Peyton. Perhaps this might provide a clue to the (much earlier)
Peyton marriage enquired about previously.
Chris Phillips