He shows her father to be Hughes de Grandmesnil, Senechal of England.
However, Richardson's edition of _Magna Carta Ancestry_ shows her father as
Willam Grandmesnil (page 683).
Can anyone help me sort this out?
I can offer only secondary sources. One is Europaische Stammtafeln Volume
III/4 Tafel 700 which gave her father as Hugues, Senechal of England.
Sources for Tafels 700/701A/702-704 is quite a list.
CP Volume VII page 530-532 (really 532) makes a different observation. In
the main text her parents are not discovered but she is a
great-granddaughter of (a) Hugues 'the Domesday Tenant'. In footnote h, is
again mention of a Hugues as her father with the notation "this is clearly
wrong" and goes into great detail.
With best wishes.
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Medlands has a write up on this problem as well
Dear Leo, Christine, Will, et al.,
The best summary I've seen re: the descent from Hugh de
Grandmesnil to Petronilla, countess of Leicester, can be found in
Chris Phillip's fine webpage on Corrections and Additions to the
Complete Peerage. See the website medievalgenealogy.org.uk,
specifically the following URL:
The probable descent (not showing all siblings) is likely as
Hugh de Grandmesnil = Adeliza de Beaumont-sur-Oise
Robert de Grandmesnil = 1) Agnes de = 2) Emma de
_______________I Bayeux I Stuteville
William de Grandmesnil Beatrix 'de Rye'
Petronilla (or Pernel) = Robert de Beaumont
I 3rd Earl of Leicester
It would also be worthwhile to examine K. S. B. Keats-Rohan's
discussion of Hugh de Grandmesnil and descendants in Domesday People
As John Ravilious has posted, Pernel's father was named William.
There are two candidates of this name around the right time in the family of
Grandmesnil - one was the son of Robert II apparently by his second wife,
Emma de Stuteville, and the other was a son of Robert II's brother Guilluame
of Cotrone by Robert Guiscard's daughter Mabilia known as 'Curta-lupa'.
Interestingly, one or other of these was perhaps married to a lady named
Agatha - they are recorded in an obituary under 3 October, "Willelmus de
Grandmesnil et uxor ejus Agatha".
The names Agatha and Petronilla (or Pernel) notably occur together in the
comital family of Vendôme - Foulques l'Oison (died 1066) and his wife
Petronilla of Château-Renaud had a daughter Agatha (living 1106) who married
Raoul Payen of Montreveau (died 1098), a son of Raoul IV, viscount of
However, there were of course other families closer to Grandmesnil using
each of these names - for instance, Robert Giroie had a daughter Agatha by
his second wife Felicia of Connerré.
> The names Agatha and Petronilla (or Pernel) notably occur together in the
> comital family of Vend�me - Foulques l'Oison (died 1066) and his wife
> Petronilla of Ch�teau-Renaud had a daughter Agatha (living 1106) who
> married Raoul Payen of Montreveau (died 1098), a son of Raoul IV, viscount
> of Beaumont.
> However, there were of course other families closer to Grandmesnil using
> each of these names - for instance, Robert Giroie had a daughter Agatha by
> his second wife Felicia of Connerr�.
I should have added that Robert Giroie's family used both names, though not
in close association - his cousin Ernold, seigneur of �chauffour, had a
daughter named Pernel (who became a nun in Angers) by his wife Emma.
You may, or may not, be surprised to learn that Cawley has got it wrong -
merely citing Orderic is of course worthless if the source has been
misinterpreted. Why people will persist in using Medieval Lands as a first
(and far too frequently last or only) point of reference despite detailed
warnings I do not understand.
Orderic says that Robert de Grantmesnil's first wife Agnes was a daughter of
Ranulf of Bayeux ("Primo duxit Agnetem Ranulfi Baiocensis filiam"), i.e of
the viscount who died in November 1120, and not of his son Ranulf, earl of
Chester, who married Lucy and died in January 1129.