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Genghis Khan to Prince Guirey

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Leo van de Pas

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Jun 21, 2001, 9:19:32 PM6/21/01
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Genghis Khan
/
Djouchi
/
Toka-Timour
/
Ureng-Timour
/
Saritja Kundjek
/
Tulek Timour
/
Alibeg
/
Hassan
/
Tasch-Timour
/
Hadji I Guirey
Khan of The Crimea 1420-1466
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Mengli I Guirey
Khan of The Crimea 1469-1515
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Mubarek Guirey
/
Devlet I Guirey
Khan of The Crimea 1551-1577
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Mohammed II Guirey
Khan of The Crimea 1577-1584
/
Selamet I Guirey
Khan of The Crimea 1608-1610
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Behadur Guirey
Khan of The Crimea 1638-1642
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Selim I Guirey
Khan of The Crimea 1670-1677
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Devlet II Guirey
Khan of The Crimea 1698-1702
/
Arslan Guirey
Khan of The Crimea 1748-1755
/
Devlet III Guirey
Khan of The Crimea 1770-1775/7
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Prince Selim Guirey
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Prince Selim Guirey
/
Prince Azamat Guirey
1828-
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Prince Kadir Guirey
1891-1953
/
Prince Azamat Guirey
born 14 August 1924 New York
married (1) Princess Sylvia Obolensky
married (2) Frederica Ann Sigrist
children
1st marriage
1.Princess Selima, born 15 January 1960 London
2.Prince Kadir Devlet Guirey born 29 March 1961 London
3.Prince Adil Sagat Guirey born 6 March 1964
2nd marriage
4.Prince Caspian Guirey born 9 March 1972 London

Best wishes
Leo van de Pas

D. Spencer Hines

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Jun 21, 2001, 9:26:53 PM6/21/01
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Do you see this one as solidly proven now, Leo ---- or still
conjectural?
--

D. Spencer Hines

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

"It may be said that, thanks to the 'clercs', humanity did evil for two
thousand years, but honoured good. This contradiction was an honour to
the human species, and formed the rift whereby civilisation slipped into
the world." "La Trahison des clercs" [The Treason of the Intellectuals]
(1927) Julien Benda (1867-1956)

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omega

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Jun 22, 2001, 10:54:42 PM6/22/01
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I think there is something missing.

The Genealogy of the Golden Horde tribe is as follows:

Qabul Khan
/
Yesugai (died 1176) married Hoeeluen. Two Sons known to me:
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Temujin (1162-1227), known as Dschengins Khan
Temughe-Otichin Khan
Married Boerke
Tenujin and Boerke had four sons: Juji (Djuji),
Jagatai (Mongol Khan),
Ogodai (The Great
Khan) and
Tului.

From the above, Juji had six known sons:

Orda (one son: Kuchi)
Batu married Sorghagtani, Princess of Kerai (?))
Tevel
Berke
Tangut
Shaiban married Balakan

From the above. Batu and Sorghagtani had two known sons:
Sartag (Prince of Mongolia) and Tutugan;
Tutugan had two sons:
Mangu-Timur

Kubilai Khan (1252-1294)

Jagatai had 5 sons and a daughter: Muetuegen, Yissu Mangu, Baidar, Buchi,
Sarban and the daughter
Salghan Khatum

From the above:
Muetuegen had a son Kara-Hulagu and he had two sons Buri and Mubarak
Shah.
Baidar had two sons: Buri and Algha (Khan of Mongolia)
Buchi had one son Nigudar

Tenujin's third son Ogodai The Great Khan (died 11 Dec 1241)
married Toragina, Princess of Naiman (?) (Also called Regend Toragina)

They had two sons:
Kuyuk and Kochi

Kuyuk married Oghul Quaimish Regent and they had four known to me sons:
Qucha, Nagu, Khoja, and Oghul


I can not find Toka-Timour as son of Juji (Djouchi in your records).

I have at least another 25 members of the Golden Horde Tribe that are not
linked but the
name Toka-Timur is not between them. Off course, the rest is missing up to
Guirea.

Another name that is not a name is Hatzi or Chatzi or whatever you want it
to be.

It means "Babtized in the Jordan River". So, the person must have a
Christian name after
the Prefix Hatzi or Chatzi or whatever.

Dr George Tsambourakis
Omega Thoroughbreds
e-Mail: om...@thoroughbreds.com.au
http://www.thoroughbreds.com.au


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