lineage of Vlad Tepes

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Frederic Navez

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Nov 13, 2001, 6:40:57 AM11/13/01
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Hi,

I would like to find information on Vlad 'Dracul' Tepes' genealogy.
Does any of you know where I could find some info?

Thanks in advance,
Fred

canberra

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Nov 13, 2001, 9:53:08 AM11/13/01
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Be more precise, what do you mean by "genealogy" ? His ancestors? His
descendants? Or other relations?
Best wishes
Leo van de Pas

Frederic Navez

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Nov 13, 2001, 9:24:53 AM11/13/01
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Well, I'd like to know "where he comes from" and what happened after him
(did he have children, did they take part in any important event,...

canberra a écrit :

MTaHT

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Nov 13, 2001, 11:54:36 AM11/13/01
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Vlad 4 aka-"Dracula=little dragon", "Tepes = impaler" domnul (duke) of Walachia
was born in Transylvania ca.1431, died 1477.
Son of Vlad 3 aka.Dracul (dragon) domnul of Walchia and Maria of Moldavia.

I know of no descendants from him, descendants are from his cadet brother:
Radu 3 of Walachia died ca.1474.

Radu's daughter Maria, married Stefan domnul of Moldavia and had issue.

Data from the Augustan Society Omnibus, early 1990s.

Best wishes,
Mike Talbot

Janet Ariciu

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Nov 13, 2001, 12:05:58 PM11/13/01
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If post what the Romania history book has on him. Can read Romanian ?
Janet

----- Original Message -----
From: "canberra" <leov...@bigpond.com>
To: <GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: lineage of Vlad Tepes


> Be more precise, what do you mean by "genealogy" ? His ancestors? His
> descendants? Or other relations?
> Best wishes
> Leo van de Pas
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Frederic Navez" <frederi...@ugr.be>
> To: <GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 7:40 PM
> Subject: lineage of Vlad Tepes
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KHF...@aol.com

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Nov 13, 2001, 4:36:45 PM11/13/01
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In a message dated 11/13/01 7:47:11 AM, frederi...@ugr.be writes:

<< I would like to find information on Vlad 'Dracul' Tepes' genealogy.
Does any of you know where I could find some info? >>

There was an article in THE PLANTAGENET CONNECTION about this genealogy. in
October 1998. You may contact me for more information.

Kenneth Harper Finton
Editor and Publisher
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Michael K. Smith

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Nov 16, 2001, 8:45:54 AM11/16/01
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Try the following two articles in THE AUGUSTAN (which are the only
ones I know of):

Robert Formhals, "A Princely Descent: Vlad III Dracula." Vol. 15, no.
1, p. 38-39.

Walker, R. C., "Would You Rather Be Impaled or Bitten, or Does It
Matter?" Vol. 11, no. 1, p. 6-11. Additions & corrections, Vol. 11,
no. 3, p. 191-94.

Also, I have a text file at my web site
<http://book-smith.tripod.com/dracula.html> that summarizes all this
-- keeping in mind that this descent has *lots* of holes. . . .

Mike

On Tue, 13 Nov 2001 12:40:57 +0100, Frederic Navez
<frederi...@ugr.be> said:

->I would like to find information on Vlad 'Dracul' Tepes' genealogy.
->Does any of you know where I could find some info?
->
->Thanks in advance,
->Fred

Michael K. Smith mksm...@bellsouth.net
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June Ferguson

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Nov 17, 2001, 10:24:43 PM11/17/01
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I show a son of Vlad !V, Mihnea I, The Bad, Voivode of Wallachia.

His son was: Mircea III, Voivode of Wallachia, etc.

My source: Augustan, The, Vol XV, No. 1, Winter 1972, Page 38.


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MTaHT

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Nov 17, 2001, 11:11:29 PM11/17/01
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Thanks Mike and June.

As previously mentioned by KHF there is an interesting article on Dracula's
family and lineage in the Plantagenet Connection, Oct.1998. It's an
enlightening article and also gives a male descent from Vlad 4.

The only dissapointment is that the article contains no references.

If Ken is watching, can you get the references used by the author and post them
here for us?

Best wishes,
Mike Talbot

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Arthur Murata

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Nov 19, 2001, 6:26:08 PM11/19/01
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Do you know the ancestry of the House of Bassarab? For
instance, is there a connection to any of the Byzantine or
Hungarian noble families (as some of the wives were from
various parts of eastern Europe)? The list you posted is
helpful, but I am really looking for the older history if
it is known. Thanks, Bronwen Edwards


--- Alexander Golovanov <a_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> See Vlad Tepes below, Part 1, #2.1.1.4.2.2.1..
>
> House of Bassarab
>
> *****Part 1*****
> Radu I or Radu or Rodolphe Negru (the Black) voivode or
> hospodar of Moldavia
> 1215-1230
>
> Bassarab I voivode of Walachia 1230-1245 had issue:
> 1.Michel I or Titeano voivode of Walachia 1245-1275
> 2.Barbat voivode of Walachia 1275-1285
> 2.1.Stephan I or Tugomir voivode of Walachia 1298-1330
> 2.1.1.Jean I Bassaraba II voivode of Walachia 1330-1352
> 2.1.1.1.Alexandre I Le Grand voivode of Walachia
> 1352-1364; m.Marguerire of
> Dabka; m.Clara
> 2.1.1.1.1.Anne queen of Vidin; m.Jean Strajimir king of
> Vidin
> 2.1.1.2.Nicolas voivode of Walachia 1364-1364
> 2.1.1.3.Vlad I or Ladislas voivode of Walachia 1364-1677;
> m.Anne
> 2.1.1.4.Radu II voivode of Walachia 1377-1383;
> m.Kalipihie of Byzant
> 2.1.1.4.1.Dan II voivode of Walachia 1383-1386
> 2.1.1.4.1.1.Dan III co voivode of Walachia 1420-1421,
> later became voivode
> of Walachia 1421-1431
> 2.1.1.4.1.1.1.Dan IV voivode of Walachia 1442-1443; he
> had issue (see below)
> 2.1.1.4.1.2.Vlad II co voivode of Walachia 1420-1421
> 2.1.1.4.2.Mircea I the Grand or the Old voivode of
> Walachia 1386-1418
> 2.1.1.4.2.1.Michel II voivode of Walachia 1418-1420
> 2.1.1.4.2.2.Vlad III the Devil voivode of Walachia
> 1431-1442
> 2.1.1.4.2.2.1.Vlad IV the Impaler or Dracula voivode of
> Walachia 1443-1462 &
> 1465-1472, co voivode of Walachia 1474-1476
> 2.1.1.4.2.2.2.Radu III the Good voivode of Walachia
> 1462-1465
> 2.1.1.4.2.2.3.Vlad V the Monke voivode of Walachia
> 1482-1495
> 2.1.1.4.2.2.3.1.Radu IV the Grand voivode of Walachia
> 1495-1508
> 2.1.1.4.2.2.3.1.1.Radu d'Affoumatz voivode of Walachia
> 1521-1529
> 2.1.1.4.2.2.3.1.2.Radu Paises voivode of Walachia
> 1535-1545; m.N, dau.of
> Neagoe Bassaraba V voivode of Walachia
> 2.1.1.4.2.2.3.1.3.Mircea II thhe Father voivode of
> Walachia 1529-1535 et
> 1545-1554 abdique. mort en 1559
> epouse: X fille de Pierre Rades
> 2.1.1.4.2.2.3.1.3.1.Pierre the Boiteous voivode of
> Walachia 1554-1568,
> voivode of Moldavia ?-?
> 2.1.1.4.2.2.3.1.3.2.Michel the Brave voivode of Walachia
> 1592-1601, voivode
> of Moldavia 1597-1601
> 2.1.1.4.2.2.3.2.Mihnea I the Bad voivode of Walachia
> 1508-1510 abdique
> 2.1.1.4.2.2.3.2.1.son
> 2.1.1.4.2.2.3.2.1.1.Alexandre II voivode of Walachia
> 1568-1577
> 2.1.1.4.2.2.3.2.1.1.1.Mihnea II the Turk voivode of
> Walachia 1577-1583 &
> 1585-1591 abdicated
> 2.1.1.4.2.2.3.2.1.1.1.1.Radu V voivode of Walachia
> 1611-1616, voivode of
> Moldavia 1623-?
> 2.1.1.4.3.Vlad
> 2.1.1.4.4.Radu
> 2.1.1.4.4.1.Neagoe
> 2.1.1.5.Slava queen of Serbie; m.Stephan VIII Urosh V
> Nemania X, king of
> Serbia
> 2.1.1.6.X queen of Bulgaria; m.Jean III-Alexandre Asen
> king of Bulgaria
> 3.Dan I or Denis voivode of Walachia 1285-1298
> 3.1.Stephan Mailat voivode of Fagaras 1300-1310
>
> *****Part 2*****
>
> Descendant of Dan IV was:
> Neagoe Bassarab V voivode of Walachia 1510-1521; m.Milica
> Brankovitch,
> dau.of Lazar III despot of Serbia
>
> Descendant of Neagoe Bassaraba V were N who had issue:
> 1.Radu Cherban voivode of Walachia 1601-1611
> 1.1.Cherban Constantin voivode de Valachie 1632-1654
> 1.2.Helene; m.Constantin Cantacuzene
> 1.2.1.Cherban voivode of Walachia 1678-1688
> 1.2.2.Cantacuzene
> 1.2.2.1.Constantin Brancovan voivode of Walachia
> 1688-1714
> 1.2.2.1.1.dau.; m.Constantin voivode of Moldavia(d.1704)
> 1.2.3.Constantin
> 1.2.3.1.Stephan voivode of Walachia & voivode of Moldavia
> 1714-1716
> 2.Mathieu Bassarab voivode of Walachia 1618-1627 &
> 1629-1632
>
> *****The End*****
>
>
>
> regards,
> aeg
>
>
>
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Alexander Golovanov

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Nov 23, 2001, 7:43:41 AM11/23/01
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Arthur Murata <lostc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Do you know the ancestry of the House of Bassarab? For
>instance, is there a connection to any of the Byzantine or
>Hungarian noble families (as some of the wives were from
>various parts of eastern Europe)?
>

Bassarabs were the local Romanian lords and had no origin from any foreign
nobles.

Some connections with Byzantine families:

[1] Radu II (voivode in 1377-1383) married to one Byzantine woman named
Callipyge [sorry, her ancestry is unknown for me :-(];

[2] Helene (dau.of Radu Cherban who was voivode in 1601-1611) married to
Constantin Cantacuzene (probably connected with Byzantine Cantacuzene - but
it's doubtful).


Connections between Bassarab and Musati (voivodes of Moldau):

[1] Vasilissa [dau.of Io Alexandru "the Good", voivode of the
Moldau(1400/1-1432)], d.after1447; m.Vlad II Dracul, Voivode of Wallachia
(d.1447)

[2] Io Stefan III "the Great", voivode of the Moldau, d.1504; m.4th 1478
Maria Bassaraba (d.1511)

[3] Bogdan III "the One-Eyed", voivode of the Moldau (1479-1517); m.2d 1513
Ruxandra Bassaraba

[4] Chiajna [dau.of Io Petru IV Rares, voivode of the Moldau]; m.1546 Mircea
III, Voivode of Wallachia


One connection between Musati and Hunyadi (Hungarian family Hunyadi had a
Walachian origin):

[1] Io Petru II, voivode of the Moldau(1447, 1448-1449); m.a sister of Janos
Hunyadi

Arthur Murata

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Nov 23, 2001, 6:13:29 PM11/23/01
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Thank you, Alexander, for the information. I appreciate
that you took the time to answer my question so thoroughly.
Good thoughts to you, Bronwen Edwards

--- Alexander Golovanov <a_...@hotmail.com> wrote:


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Nov 24, 2001, 6:08:40 AM11/24/01
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Alexander Golovanov <a_...@hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message :
F212rIbV1OBaQ...@hotmail.com...

<...>

> [1] Radu II (voivode in 1377-1383) married to one Byzantine woman named >
Callipyge [sorry, her ancestry is unknown for me :-(];

<...>

Was it REALLY her name ? :))


Pierre


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