Countess Lucy Pt. 2

[G . EDWARD ALLEN]

This segment is shorter than the following segments which will concern
charter evidence, so I will transmit it now.

Kirk's objections to the double-Lucy theory part 1:

Aelfgar did not die as early as 1059. Prof Freeman (Norman Conquest,
ii:469, 631) gives between 1062 and 1065. The French editor of Orderic
Vitalis (Edition of the Soc. de l'Hist. de France, ii:119 note) gives
1063.

Ivo Taillebois died before 1100. [about 1092-3, KA] Therefore, Lucy
could have been mother to William de Roumare who succeeded his father
Roger FizGerald in 1119. [William would have been born before 1098, if
he succeeded when of age. KA]

There is no evidence that Ivo and Lucy had a daughter Lucy. The proofs
concerning Beatrice, wife of Ribaud/Ribald de Middleham rest on a
charter of Ivo's which is not cited. It is Kirk's opinion that there is
no evidence that Beatrice was Lucy's daughter.

"Thus the only good piece of evidence yet before us is the Spalding
charter, which mentions Matilda, daughter of the Countess Lucy, and if
nothing more definite could be discovered, we should be driven to the
conclusion that Matilda was the sole daughter of Ivo and Lucy."
[Unfortunately, Kirk does note give a date for this charter or more
details concerning it. We also have Peter of Blois' word that this dtr.
d.v.p. and s.p.]

His next section is a listing of charter evidences.

Kay Allen AG all...@pacbell.net
c 1998