SMITHSON, Sir Hugh 1st Duke of Northumberland in 1766
Brendan Wilson
Henry de Percy c1272-1315 settled in Northumberland
Henry (Hotspur) killed at battle of Shrewsbury
2nd & 3rd Earls killed at St Albans & Towton
7th Earl Thomas executed in 1572 for supporting Mary Queen of Scots
11th Earl died 1670 leaving no male issue, his Grand Daughter married
Sir Hugh SMITHSON who adopted the PERCY name being the 1st Duke of
Northumberland in 1766
Anyone have this Hugh Smithson decendants?
Brendan Wilson
New Zealand
Brendan Wilson
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>Sir Hugh SMITHSON who adopted the PERCY name being the 1st Duke of
>Northumberland in 1766
>Anyone have this Hugh Smithson decendants?
Just one, who left no issue. James Smithson, who got much of the family
fortune, nevertheless could have no official recognition -- and certainly
not the title -- because he was illegitimate. He is, however, for his
generosity and forward-thinking, the greatest Smithson of them all. To
him, the people of the United States, a country he never visited, owe a
great thanks. For him, also, the mineral smithsonite is named.
Here is the full text of his short will:
(NB: His nephew died six years after him, leaving no heir)
The Will of James Smithson
_________________________________________________
I, JAMES SMITHSON Son to Hugh, first Duke of Northumberland, &
Elizabeth, Heiress of the Hungerfords of Studley, & Niece to Charles
the proud duke of Somerset, now residing in Bentinck Street, Cavendish
Square, do this twenty-third day of October, one thousand eight
hundred and twenty-six, make this my last Will and Testament:
I bequeath the whole of my property of every nature & kind soever to
my bankers, Messrs. Drummonds of Charing Cross, in trust, to be
disposed of in the following manner, and I desire of my said Executors
to put my property under the management of the Court of Chancery.
To John Fitall, formerly my Servant, but now employed in the London
Docks, and residing at No. 27, Jubilee Place, North Mile end, old
town, in consideration of his attachment & fidelity to me, & the long
& great care he has taken of my effects, & my having done but very
little for him, I give and bequeath the Annuity or Annual sum of One
hundred pounds sterling for his life, to be paid to him quarterly,
free of legacy duty & all other deductions, the first payment to be
made to him at the expiration of three months after my death. I have
at divers times lent sums of money to Henry Honore Sailly, formerly my
servant, but now keeping the Hungerford Hotel, in the rue Caumartin at
Paris, & for which sums of money I have undated bills or bonds signed
by him. Now, I will & direct that if he desires it, these sums of
money be let remain in his hands at an Interest of five per cent. for
five years after the date of the present Will.
To Henry James Hungerford, my Nephew, heretofore called Henry James
Dickinson, SOI1 to my late brother, Lieutenant-Colonel Henry Louis
Dickinson, now residing with Mr. Auboin, at Bourg la Reine, near
Paris. I give and bequeath for his life the whole of the income
arising from my property of every nature & kind whatever, after the
payment of the above Annuity, & after the death of John Fitall, that
Annuity likewise, the payments to be made to him at the time of the
interest or dividends becomes due on the Stocks or other property from
which the income arises.
Should the said Henry James Hungerford have a child or children,
legitimate or illegitimate, I leave to such child or children, his or
their heirs, executors, & assigns, after the death of his, or her, or
their Father,
the whole of my property of every kind absolutely & forever, to be
divided between them, if there is more than one, in the manner their
father shall judge proper, or, in case of his omitting to decide this,
as the Lord Chancellor shall judge proper.
Should my said Nephew, Henry James Hungerford, marry, I empower him to
make a jointure.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
In the case of the death of my said Nephew without leaving a child or
children, or the death of the child or children he may have had under
the age of twenty-one years or intestate, I then bequeath the whole of
my property, subject to the Annuity of One hundred pounds to John
Fitall, & for the security & payment of which I mean Stock to remain
in this Country, to the United States of America, to found at
Washington, under the name of the Smithsonian Institution, an
establishment for the increase & diffusion of knowledge among men.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I think it proper here to state, that all the money which will be
standing in the French five per cents. at my death in the names of the
father of my above mentioned Nephew, Henry James Hungerford, & all
that in my names, is the property of my said Nephew, being what he
inherited from his father, or what I have laid up for him from the
savings upon his income.
--
Regards, Frank Young
tip...@wam.umd.edu 703-527-7684
Post Office Box 2793, Kensington, Maryland 20891
"Videmus nunc per speculum in aenigmate... Nunc cognosco ex parte"
pennyedwards
James Smithson was not the illegitimate son of Hugh, 1st Duke of
Northumberland, but the illegitimate son of Algernon Smithson (1750-1830),
Viscount Louvaine of Alnwick, 1790 created Earl of Beverley, m. June 1775
Isabella Susannah, 2nd dau. of Peter Burrell of Beckenham. Algernon
Smithson was the brother to Hugh, 2nd Duke of Northumberland. Their sister
Elizabeth died unmarried, and their father was Sir Hugh Smithson 1st Duke of
Northumberland who married the last of the Percy's - Elizabeth.
What a load of twoddle!!
Bye for now,
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Brent Miller
child of Hugh, 1st Duke of Northumberland, but the new Burke's Peerage
(106th Edition) mentions two other illegitimate daughters, and by Elizabeth
Seymour he had Sir Hugh, 2nd Duke and Algernon Algernon, 1st Earl of
Beverley and ancestor of the present Duke. Their descendents are listed in
Burke's Peerage.
Brent Miller
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> Comment from pennye...@ukonline.co.uk
>
> James Smithson was not the illegitimate son of Hugh, 1st Duke of
> Northumberland, but the illegitimate son of Algernon Smithson (1750-1830),
> Viscount Louvaine of Alnwick, 1790 created Earl of Beverley, m. June 1775
> Isabella Susannah, 2nd dau. of Peter Burrell of Beckenham. Algernon
> Smithson was the brother to Hugh, 2nd Duke of Northumberland. Their
sister
> Elizabeth died unmarried, and their father was Sir Hugh Smithson 1st Duke
of
N.B.
**
My apologies, Sir Hugh Smithson, 1st Duke of Northumberland (of the 3rd
creation) married Elizabeth Seymour, dau. of Algernon Seymour and Frances
Thynne. Algernon Seymour's parents were Charles Seymour, 6th Duke of
Somerset and Elizabeth Percy (who was the last of the Percys - being
Elizabeth Seymour's grandmother).
The Bibliographer
pennyedwards <pennye...@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>Comment from pennye...@ukonline.co.uk
>James Smithson was not the illegitimate son of Hugh, 1st Duke of
>Northumberland, but the illegitimate son of Algernon Smithson (1750-1830),
>Viscount Louvaine of Alnwick, 1790 created Earl of Beverley, m. June 1775
>Isabella Susannah, 2nd dau. of Peter Burrell of Beckenham. Algernon
>Smithson was the brother to Hugh, 2nd Duke of Northumberland. Their sister
>Elizabeth died unmarried, and their father was Sir Hugh Smithson 1st Duke of
>Northumberland who married the last of the Percy's - Elizabeth.
>What a load of twoddle!!
Obviously, you have read none of teh scholarship -- nor, and more
ironically, did you read his will> For your benefit, I'll leave teh
relevant part in below. Take a look, before you vapor.
>The Bibliographer <tip...@wam.umd.edu> wrote in message
>> The Will of James Smithson
>> _________________________________________________
>>
>> I, JAMES SMITHSON Son to Hugh, first Duke of Northumberland, &
>> Elizabeth, Heiress of the Hungerfords of Studley, & Niece to Charles
>> the proud duke of Somerset, now residing in Bentinck Street, Cavendish
>> Square, do this twenty-third day of October, one thousand eight
>> hundred and twenty-six, make this my last Will and Testament:
--
Brendan Wilson
And to Frank Young the copy of the Will and the infomation RE: USA
Brendan Wilson
pennyedwards
Reply from: pennye...@ukonline.co.uk
As a novice genealogist, I apologize for my error in referring to James
Smithson as the illegitimate son of Algernon Percy (1750-1830), instead of
the corrected version of Sir Hugh Smithson Bt. 1st Duke of Northumberland
(of the 3rd creation). I can assure you that my other corrected references
are precise.
Bye for now
Penelope Jane
Noblesse Oblige
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Brenda...@xtra.co.nz writes:
> Anyone have this Hugh Smithson decendants?
> Brendan Wilson
> New Zealand
>
>
> Brendan Wilson
Here's what I have:
Descendants of Hugh Smithson/Percy
1 Hugh Smithson/Percy b: 19 December 1714 d: 06 June 1786 in Sion
House Burial: 21 June 1786 Westminster Abbey
.. +Elizabeth Seymour b: 26 November 1716 m: 16 July 1740 d: 05
December 1776 in Northumberland House, in the Strand Burial: 18 December
1776 Westminster Abbey
2 Emily Frances Percy
.. +James Murray
3 George Augustus Frederick John Murray b: 20 September 1814 in Great
Cumberland Place, Marylebone d: 16 January 1864 Burial: 25 January
1864 Church of Blair
.. +Anne Home-Drummond b: 17 June 1814 in Edinburgh m: 29 October
1839 in Blair Drummond, co. Perth, SCT d: 18 May 1897 in Dunkeld, co. Perth,
SCT Burial: 22 May 1897 Blair Atholl
4 John James Hugh Henry Murray b: 06 August 1840 in Blair Castle
.. +Louisa Moncreiffe m: 29 October 1863 in Moncreiffe House d: 08
July 1902 in Italy Burial: 17 July 1902 Blair
5 John Stewart-Murray b: 30 August 1869 in Blair Castle d: 31
August 1869 in Blair Castle
5 John George Stewart-Murray b: 15 December 1871
2 Hugh Percy b: 14 August 1742 in St. George, Hanover Square, ENG
d: 10 July 1817 in Northampton House, 145 Picadilly Burial: 19 July 1817
Westminster Abbey
.. +Anne Stuart b: August 1746 m: 02 July 1764
3 Hugh Percy b: 20 April 1785 d: 11 February 1847 in Alnwick
Castle Burial: 23 February 1847 Westminster Abbey
.. +Charlotte Florentia Clive b: 12 September 1787 in Florence, ITA
m: 29 April 1817 in Northumberland House d: 27 July 1866 in Mount Lebanon,
Twickenham, MDX, ENG Burial: 03 August 1866 Westminster Abbey
3 Algernon Percy b: 19 December 1792 d: 12 February 1865 in
Alnwick Castle Burial: 25 February 1865 Westminster Abbey
.. +Eleanor Grosvenor b: 22 October 1820 m: 25 August 1842 in St.
George, Hanover Square d: 04 May 1911 in Stanwick Hall, near Darlington
Burial: 06 May 1911 Stanwick, St. John
*2nd Wife of Hugh Percy:
.. +Frances Julia Burrell b: 21 December 1752 m: 25 May 1779 in
Berkeley Square d: 28 April 1820 in Langley Park Burial: 10 May 1820
Westminster Abbey
2 Algernon Percy
3 George Percy b: 22 June 1778 d: 21 August 1867 in Alnwick
Castle Burial: 30 August 1867 Westminster Abbey
.. +Louisa Harcourt Stuart-Wortley-Mackenzie b: October 1781 m: 22
June 1801 in St. George, Hanover Square d: 31 January 1848 in 3 Portman
Square Burial: St. Marylebone
4 Algernon George Percy b: 20 May 1810 d: 02 January 1899 in
Alnwick Castle Burial: 09 January 1899 Westminster Abbey
.. +Louisa Drummond b: 22 October 1813 m: 26 May 1845 in St. George,
Hanover Square d: 18 December 1890 in Alnwick Castle Burial: 24 December
1890 Westminster Abbey
5 Henry George Percy b: 29 May 1846 in Charles Street, Berkeley Square
d: 14 May 1918 in Alnwick Castle Burial: 18 May 1918 Lesbury, NTH, ENG
.. +Edith Campbell b: 07 November 1849 m: 28 December 1868 in St.
George's, Campden Hill, Kensington d: 06 July 1913 in 2 Grosvenor Place
Burial: 10 July 1913 Lesbury, NTH, ENG
6 Henry Algernon George Percy b: 21 January 1871 d: 30 December
1909 in Gare du Nord Hotel, Paris, FRA Burial: 04 January 1910 Lesbury, NTH,
ENG
6 Josceline Percy b: 26 January 1872 d: 31 January 1898
6 Ralph William Percy b: 09 March 1877 d: 28 March 1889
6 Alan Ian Percy b: 17 April 1880 d: 23 August 1930
.. +Helen Magdalen Gordon-Lennox b: 13 December 1886 m: 18 October
1911
7 Henry George Alan Percy b: 15 July 1912 d: 21 May 1940
7 Hugh Algernon Percy b: 06 April 1914 d: 11 October 1988
.. +Elizabeth Diana Montagu-Douglas-Scott m: 12 June 1946 d: Aft.
1995
8 Henry Alan WalterRichard Percy b: 01 July 1953 d: 31 October
1995
8 Ralph George Algernon Percy b: 16 November 1956
.. +Isobel Jane Richard m: 1979
9 George Dominic Percy b: 04 May 1984
Always optimistic--Dave
Chris Dickinson
quite how the heir of James Smithson, his nephew Henry James
Dickinson [son of Lieut-Col Henry Louis Dickinson] was related.
I'm assuming that this was from a later marriage of Elizabeth
Macie?????
Please reply off-list, as this is hardly medieval!!