Eudes I Borell de BOURGONE
zglorg
BOURGOGNE and Wife of Hugues is Definitively unknow
(for my part i had Sybille of BARCELONE)
John Yohalem
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zglorg wrote in message <920807876.733779@si2-paris>...
>So For what i've read on this forum; the mother of Eudes I Borel De
>BOURGOGNE and Wife of Hugues is Definitively unknow
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>(for my part i had Sybille of BARCELONE)
Sybille, d. of Berengar Ramon I is who I have. Who says different?
Jean Coeur de Lapin
Todd A. Farmerie
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> John Yohalem
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> "What this country needs is a good five-cent reverie" -- Paul Mellon
> zglorg wrote in message <920807876.733779@si2-paris>...
> >So For what i've read on this forum; the mother of Eudes I Borel De
> >BOURGOGNE and Wife of Hugues is Definitively unknow
That should be " . . . wife of Henry."
> >(for my part i had Sybille of BARCELONE)
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> Sybille, d. of Berengar Ramon I is who I have. Who says different?
I do.
Chaume, I think it was, concluded that she was the 'Sybille, mother of
the Duke of Burgundy' named in one imprecisely dated document. The
argument is that since she is called mother of the Duke, she wasn't
widow of the Duke, and thus must have been married to the member of the
dynasty that never succeeded. Richard pointed out that the sitting Duke
is the frame of reference, and refering to the mother of the Duke in no
way implies that she wasn't wife of the previous Duke (any more than
Queen Mother implies her former husband wasn't King). It is clear that
this reference was to Sybille of Burgundy, wife of Eudes Borrel, and not
his otherwise unknown mother. That being the case, there is not a
single document which refers to this woman, so there is no direct data
allowing her name or origin to be determined.
How about her ancestry then. The only direct clues we have are that two
sons bore the byname Borrel. This suggests a relationship to the Counts
of Barcelona, which was the only family at the time (of reasonable
social status) using the name. By generation, she would have been
granddaughter of Ramon Borrel, and was probably (again, based on social
status) daughter of his son, Count Berenger Ramon. That's how the
argument runs, at least. She was also somehow related to the Ramon,
Count of Galicia, who was son of William, Count of Burgundy and wife
Etienette. His name Ramon again suggests the possibility of a Barcelona
connection, particularly in light of his kinship with Henry of
Burgundy's wife.
So. We don't know her name, and her origin is a guess, but perhaps a
reasonable one.
taf