Palaiologoi of Cornwall
K. Williams
Does anyone know anything regarding this family and the veracity of
their alleged descent?
Sir Bernard Burke, Vicissitudes of Families and Other Essays, 4th Ed.
(London: Longman & Co., 1860), p. 200:
Monumental Brass in the Church of Landulph, Cornwall:
"Here lyeth the body of Theodoro Paleologus of Pesaro in Italye,
descended from ye Imperyall lyne of ye last Christian Emperors of
Greece, being the sonne of Camelio ye sonne of Prosper, the sonne of
Theodoro the sonne of John ye sonne of Thomas second brother to
Constantine Paleologus the 8th of that name and last of yt lyne yt
raygned in Constantinople untill subdewed by the Turks. Who married wth
Mary ye daughter of William Balls, of Hadlye in Sovffolke, Gent., and
had issue 5 children, Theodoro, John, Ferdinando, Maria and Dorothy, &
departed this life at Clyfton ye 21th of Januar, 1636."
[Surmounted by the Imperial Arms]
Per Burke the children are as follows:
1. Theodoro. Lt. in Lord St. John's Regt. & d.s.p.
2. John. Fell at Naseby.
3. Ferdinando, of Clifton Hall, Barbados. d. 1678 leaving a son Theodore
who d. unm.
4. Maria. d. 1674 at Clifton.
5. Dorothy m. William Arundell, Esq. at St. Mellion's & d. 1681.
Parish Register of Landulph, Cornwall, 1540-1922 (Salt Lake City:
Genealogical Society of Utah, 1960):
William Arvndell to Darythy Sallealoges md. on 23 Dec 1656.
Barbados Parochial Registers, Series A, 1637-1850 (Salt Lake City:
Genealogical Society of Utah, 1978):
Theodorus Paleologus to Martha Bradbury on 14 Oct 1684 in St.
Michael, Barbados.
Parish Register of the Church of St. Dunstan, Stepney, London, 1568-1875
(Salt Lake City: Genealogical Society of Utah, 1969):
Goascall, dau. of Theodore & Martha Paleologus chr. 24 Jan 1693.
According to abstracts of parts of Davies Gilbert's "History of
Cornwall" sent to me by another researcher Theodore, son of Theodore,
was a sailor and served on the "Charles II." He is said to have died at
sea in 1693 leaving a will naming a wife Martha and no children.
The will of William Arundell of Landulph was proven in the
Archdeaconry Court of Cornwall in 1690. I suppose this is probably the
same William Arundell.
Are these people imposters or are they legitimate pretenders to the
throne? I'd be very interested in knowing one way or the other.
Sincerely,
Kelsey J. Williams
Omega
Many believe that they were not connected to the Byzantine family but
somehow adopted the name (after the fall as many others did) to get better
"treatment" and easier passage in Europe.
I understand that their existence become know after the discovery of a
"monument" in one of the cemeteries there.
Dr. George Tsambourakis
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Tooborac, Victoria, Australia
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John Higgins
(the third volume of his history of Byzantium), gives a good summary of the
Cornwall Paleologus family. His conclusion is that "there remains a slender
possibility that Thomas [the brother of the last Emperor] might have had a
bastard son John, or even that the inscription is slightly inaccurate and
that the John referred to was the son of Thomas's younger son Manuel".
Norwich cites D.M. Nicol, "The Immortal Emperor" (Cambridge, 1992), which he
says also discusses other Paleologus pretenders.
John Higgins
jthi...@surfree.com
Pierre Aronax
K. Williams <kw...@ionet.net> a écrit dans le message :
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The inscription of Landulph was first published by Vyvyan Jago, "Some
observations in a monumental inscription in the Parish Church of Landulph,
Cornwall", in Archaelogia or Miscellaneous tracts relating to Antiquity, 18
(1817), p. 83-96, et à nouveau par J. Karadja, "Une branche des Paléologue
en Angleterre", in "Bulletin de l'Institut pour l'étude de l'Europe
sud-orientale, 10 (1923), p. 113-115. Based on the inscription, Karadja
trace this genealogy :
1. Manuel II, emperor
2. Thomas Palaiologos, despot of Morea
3. John Palaiologos
4. Theodoros Palaiologos
5. Prosper Palaiologos
6. Camilio Palaiologos
7. Theodor Palaiologos, husband of Mary Balls, father of :
8a. Theodor, + 1693
8b. John
8c. Ferdinando
8d. Maria, + 1674
8e. Dorothy, 1651, wife of William Arundell, + 1685.
This genealogy is examined by D. Zakythinos, "Le Despotat grec de Morée",
Paris, 1932, p. 295-297, who says that Eugenia, daughter of Theodoros
Paleologue, visited Greece at the end of the 19th century and pretended to
be issued of the Palaiologoi of England. It is also said that during the
independence war, a Greek embassy came in Cornwall to look for descendants
of this family. But Zakythinos considers all the story as fake and the
Palaiologoi of England as totally bogus, because we know exactly by the
historian Sphrantzis, very close of the last imperial Palaiologoi, who were
the sons of the despot Thomas Palaiologos, and even their birthdays : no one
of them was named John. His conclusion is that this John is a fictive
character and that the Palaiologoi of England has nothing to do with the
imperial family.
Pierre
John P. DuLong
Constantine Palaiologous, Last Emperor of the Romans_ (Cambridge, England:
Cambridge University Press, 1992) discusses the Paleologus in Landulph,
Cornwall, and the Paleologus in Barbados and dismisses their claims as
unlikely. Actually, I found this book a very good read, I should go through
it again for fun.
JP
John P. DuLong, Ph.D.
Acadian and French Canadian Genealogy
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Berkley, MI 48072-2011
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Pierre Aronax
John Higgins <jthi...@surfree.com> a écrit dans le message :
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> John Julius Norwich, near the end of his "Byzantium: The Decline and Fall"
> (the third volume of his history of Byzantium), gives a good summary of
the
> Cornwall Paleologus family. His conclusion is that "there remains a
slender
> possibility that Thomas [the brother of the last Emperor] might have had a
> bastard son John, or even that the inscription is slightly inaccurate and
> that the John referred to was the son of Thomas's younger son Manuel".
Norwich is not a serious historian of Byzantium, and all this is only
speculation : this bastard son of Thomas is not attested. Manuel died in
Greece, were lived his two sons, and had absolutely no connection with
England.
Pierre
Janko Pavsic
Palaiologoi of Constantinople is a fake. No more serious than
connection of Croy or Drummond with Arpad. On another way, that could
be interesting to find on which generations are the fakes. The first
name Ferdinando appear in Great-Britain in XVI century. Ferdinando I,
earl of Derby was the famest of them. To find that first name in
British Palailogoi family is realy interesting.
Janko Pavsic
Pierre Aronax
Janko Pavsic <janko...@hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message :
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> No more serious than
> connection of Croy or Drummond with Arpad.
In fact, the connection of the Croy with the Arpad is probably fake, but
there is a little (very little) doubt. But no doubt for the Drummond and the
Palaiologoi of Cornwall.
Pierre
