Agnes of Navarre
Nathaniel Taylor
In article <19980125001...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
alice...@aol.com (AliceBeard) wrote:
>Posting for a friend. Does anyone have info on an Agnes of Navarre who married
>a John Gaston deFoix and had a son William Gaston who himself had a son John
>Gaston b. 1645?
>
>Does this Agnes fit into a royal line? Any ideas?
>Please e-mail. Thanx! :-)
>Alice Beard
Are you thinking of the fourteenth-century Foix/Navarre marriage?
Ines de Navarre, daughter of Philippe of Navarre (count of Evreux, king of
Navarre), married Gaston Pheobus (1331-1391), count of Foix, in 1349; they
became estranged after some years and she returned to live with her
brother, then king of Navarre, and died in 1396. Their only son, Gaston
de Foix, viscount of Bearn, was imprisoned and (accidentally, it is said)
killed by his own father in 1381, as a result of an intrigue between
Navarre and Foix; you can read about it in Jean Froissart's _Chronicles_,
in the Penguin abridgement and translation, pp. 263-274. This younger
Gaston was married but purportedly died childless. They are in
Schwennicke's Europaische Stammtafeln 3:146.
Nat Taylor
Robb697
I believe that Agnes may be of Royal descent but I would have to look it up and
get back to you.
I'm Out On A Limb and the threads are getting weaker.
Stacyssis
You can also read about Agnes of Navarre, her husband, and the unintentional
murder of their son by his father in Barbara Tuchman's _A Distant Mirror: The
Calamitous 14th Century_. If I remember correctly, Agnes was the sister of
Charles of Navarre, better known as "Charles the Bad." He was married to a
daughter of the King of France, which connects Agnes to royalty that way.
Hope this helps!
Chantelle Mansfield Pratt :)
UTZ
In a message dated 98-01-27 20:42:59 EST, you write:
<< The folks you mention seem to be too early, unless the list my friend made
has
an error of missing generations.
Alice Beard
>>
My 2 cents worth
Generation No. 1
1. PIERRE DE GRALLY was born Abt. 1285, and died Aft. 1356. He married
ROSEMBURGE DE PERIGORD.
Child of PIERRE and ROSEMBURGE is:
2. i. ARCHAUMBAUD DE GRAILLY, d. 1412.
Generation No. 2
2. ARCHAUMBAUD DE GRAILLY died 1412. He married ISABELLE DE CASTELBON 1381,
daughter of ROGER-BERNARD and GIRAUDE.
Child of ARCHAUMBAUD and ISABELLE is:
3. i. JEAN LER DE FOIX, b. Abt. 1382; d. 4-May-1436.
Generation No. 3
3. JEAN LER DE FOIX was born Abt. 1382, and died 4-May-1436. He married
JEANNE D'ALBRET Feb-1421/22, daughter of CHARLES and MARIE.
Child of JEAN and JEANNE is:
4. i. GASTON IV DE FOIX, b. 1423; d. 25-Jul-1472, Roncevalles.
Generation No. 4
4. GASTON IV DE FOIX was born 1423, and died 25-Jul-1472 in Roncevalles. He
married ELEANOR D'ARAGON 30-Jul-1436, daughter of JEAN and BLANCHE.
Child of GASTON and ELEANOR is:
5. i. MARGUERITE DE FOIX5, d. 15-May-1486, Nantes, FRA.
Generation No. 5
5. MARGUERITE DE FOIX 5-May-1486 in Nantes, FRA. She married FRANCOIS DE
BRETAGNE 27-Jun-1471 in Clisson, FRA, son of RICHARD and MARGUERITE.
Child of MARGUERITE and FRANGOIS is:
i. ANNE DE BRETAGNE6, b. 25-Jan-1476/77, Nantes, FRA; d. 9-Jan-1513/14,
Blois, FRA.
Notes for ANNE DE BRETAGNE:
Anne de Bretagne, duchess of Brittany, maybe one of the most popular
characters in Brittany, married once to a german emperor (Maximilian von
Osterreich), and twice to a king of France (Charles VIII and Louis XII).
The "marriage" to Maximilian appears to have been more of an engagement,
one which was never completed or consummated.
William Addams Reitwiesner
wr...@erols.com
Always optimistic--Dave
Norma Rudinsky
I am trying to get a copy of two pages from the NEw England Historical and
Genealogical Review on the de Greene family of Green's NOrton etc., from
InterLibrary Loan here. The reference appears in David Faris,
"Plantagenet Ancestry..." and has been referred to several times on
Gen-Med, but the answer that came back on ILL is that nothing on the
Greenes appears on those pages.
Could someone who has the reference at hand confirm the vol and pages as
the following or correct them :-)
Vol 23, pp. 180-81 January 1969
Thanks for any help.
Norma Leigh Rudinsky
SFulton100
That should read: NEHGR vol. 123, 180-181 (Jan. 1969)
ED MANN
UTZ wrote:
> In a message dated 98-01-27 20:42:59 EST, you write:
>
> << The folks you mention seem to be too early, unless the list my friend made
> has
> an error of missing generations.
>
> Alice Beard
> >>
>
> My 2 cents worth
>
> Generation No. 1
>
> 1. PIERRE DE GRALLY was born Abt. 1285, and died Aft. 1356. He married
> ROSEMBURGE DE PERIGORD.
>
> Child of PIERRE and ROSEMBURGE is:
> 2. i. ARCHAUMBAUD DE GRAILLY, d. 1412.
>
> Generation No. 2
>
> 2. ARCHAUMBAUD DE GRAILLY died 1412. He married ISABELLE DE CASTELBON 1381,
> daughter of ROGER-BERNARD and GIRAUDE.
I see a possible problem right here. Do we really have someone getting
married 96 years after his father was born?
--
FWIW; AFAIK; IMHO; YMMV; yadda, yadda, yadda.
Regards, Ed Mann mailto:edl...@mail2.lcia.com
G . EDWARD ALLEN
The publication is the Register, not review. The two pages in question
refer to a Raleigh marriage to a dtr. of Thomas Greene and Philipa
Ferrers which had been first mentioned in Colket's monograph on the
ancestry of Anne Marbury Hutchinson. It gave the final evidence that
this marriage did indeed take place.This marriage is also of interest to
descendahts of Rev. Peter Bulkeley and Grace Chetwode.
Kay Allen all...@pacbell.net
Henry Soszynski
At 15:30 28/01/98 -0800, ED MANN wrote:
>UTZ wrote:
>
>> Generation No. 1
>> 1. PIERRE DE GRALLY was born Abt. 1285, and died Aft. 1356. He married
>> ROSEMBURGE DE PERIGORD.
>>
>> Child of PIERRE and ROSEMBURGE is:
>> 2. i. ARCHAUMBAUD DE GRAILLY, d. 1412.
>>
>> Generation No. 2
>> 2. ARCHAUMBAUD DE GRAILLY died 1412. He married ISABELLE DE CASTELBON
1381,
>> daughter of ROGER-BERNARD and GIRAUDE.
>I see a possible problem right here. Do we really have someone getting
>married 96 years after his father was born?
>--
>FWIW; AFAIK; IMHO; YMMV; yadda, yadda, yadda.
>
>Regards, Ed Mann mailto:edl...@mail2.lcia.com
Not a problem at all ....
Pierre II de Grailly 1285-1356 , Captal de Buch (whatever that is) and
Seigneur de Grailly m secondly in 1328 (aged 43) Rosemburge de
Talleyrand-Périgord by whom he had Archambaud de Grailly 1330-1413 Captal
de Buch who married in 1381 (aged 51) Isabelle de Foix-Castelbon.
They had at least five sons the youngest Mathieu de Foix born in 1390 when
his father was 60 years of age. It is a long generation span but does
appear to be correct.
Hope this helps. Cheers,Henry
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taf
> Could Agnes last name be Van Hapsburg??? I thought I found that in my
Perhaps why you are getting confused is that someone has been having some fun at the expense of serious genealogists.
Agnes, princess of Navarre, married Gaston Phoebus, count of Foix. They had one child, a son also named Gaston, who was killed by his father in a brawl after the son had tried to poison his father. The son had no children, and Agnes of Navarre has no descendants.
Somebody likely has taken nothing more than that one man had Gaston as a surname, and a famous man had Gaston as a given name, and decided to pretend they were related. That a John Gaston, born 1645, could possibly be grandson of someone who died in 1391 is patently ridiculous on its face, yet that is what someone wants us to believe.
If there even was a John Gaston who was grandfather of John b. 1645, that is probably all that was known about him before the inventions started. He almost certainly had nothing to do with Foix, and probably did not have a wife Agnes (and if he did, she was neither de Navarre nor van Hapsburg).
You need to abandon all of this and start from scratch, not using pedigrees you find on the internet. Who was John Gaston (supposedly b. 1645)? Where did he live? Is there any contemporary evidence of where he might have originated, or how old he was?
taf
wjhonson
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