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C.P. Addition: Heirs of John Pecche, Knt., Lord Pecche (died c.1335)
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Douglas Richardson
Apr 17, 2014, 2:45:34 PM4/17/14
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Dear Newsgroup ~
Complete Peerage 10 (1945): 342-343 (sub Pecche) has a good account of Sir John Pecche, Knt., Lord Pecche, who died about 1335. He was summoned to Parliament from 15 May 1321 to 22 Jan. 1335/6, by writs directed Johanni Pecche, whereby he is held to have become Lord Pecche. Lord Pecche had a lengthy career in public service, he being Keeper of the Town and Castle of Warwick, 1321-6, Constable of Dover Castle and Warden of the Cinque Ports, 1323-4, and Keeper of Corfe Castle, 1325-9.
Complete Peerage asserts that Sir John Pecche "presumably" died about 1335, as the word "mortuus est" is written against his name in the list of the summonses to Parliament dated 1 April 1335.
Regarding his marriages, it is known that Lord Pecche had two wives. The first wife (and mother of his children) is unknown. His second wife whom he married in or before 1326 was Eleanor, widow of Ralph de Gorges, Knt., Lord Gorges. They had no issue. Eleanor survived him and was living in July 1341.
Regarding Lord Pecche's children, the records cited by Complete Peerage indicate that he had at least four children, namely Sir John (who Complete Peerage supposes was his son and heir apparent and that he died before his father), Nicholas, Edmund, and Ralph. The latter three sons, Nicholas, Edmund, and Ralph are known from a Close Rolls record dated 26 October 1329, in which John Pecche the elder [i.e., Lord Pecche] acknowledged debts to these three sons [Reference: Calendar of Close Rolls, 1327-30, pp. 578-579]. Complete Peerage states that Nicholas, Edmund, and Ralph "may have been illegitimate," but as we will see below, this was not the case. Also it appears that the eldest son, John, survived his father.
The Chancery record below sheds new light on Lord Pecche's surviving children. The record concerns a debt of £300, which Lord Pecche owed in 1325 to Walter le Walsh, clerk. This debt was apparently unpaid at the time of Lord Pecche's debts. Accordingly in 1338, his heirs were sued for the debt.
The heirs were named in 1338 as John [styled the younger], "the son and heir of John Pecche, formerly lord of Hampton-in-Arden," Nicholas Pecche, knight, Edmund Pecche, and Thomas Pecche, knight. On 28 October 1338 a writ was issued to the Sheriff of Warwickshire commanding the appearance of the heirs of John Pecche in Chancery on 2 Feb. 1338/9 to satisfy the debt of £300.
Curiously, Lord Pecche's son, Nicholas Pecche, is recorded as holding two of his father's manors, namely Hampton-in-Arden and Honiley, Warwickshire. Under normal conditions, this would typically mean that Nicholas Pecche was the eldest son and heir. However, the son John is clearly named "son and heir" of Lord Pecche in the record below and he is named first before Nicholas not once but twice. As an explanation as to how Nicholas obtained the two manors, I find that in 1318-19 Lord Pecche himself granted the manor of Honiley, Warwickshire to his younger son, Nicholas Pecche, for the term of his life [Reference: VCH Warwick 3 (1945): 120-123]. It is unknown how Nicholas obtained his father's chief seat at Hampton in Arden, but presumably it was also by his father's grant.
A clue to the identity of Lord Pecche's first wife (and mother of his children) is afforded by a letter written by William de Clinton, Earl of Huntingdon, dated c. January 1348, in which he names Thomas Peche as his "kinsman" [Reference: List of Ancient Correspondence of the Chancery & Exchequer (Lists and Indexes 15) (1902): 614; see also Index to Ancient Correspondence of the Chancery & Exchequer 1 (Lists and Indexes, Supp. Ser. 15) (1902): 278; Index to Ancient Correspondence of the Chancery & Exchequer 2 (Lists and Indexes, Supp. Ser. 15) (1902): 219].
Thomas Peche is surely the same individual as the younger son of Sir John Pecche, Lord Pecche named in the record below. As for other Clinton-Pecche associations, I find that in 1328 the executors of Ida, widow of John de Clinton sued John Pecche the elder [i.e., Lord Pecche] in the Court of the King's Bench [Reference: Index of Placita de Banco 1327-1328 2 (PRO Lists and Indexes 22) (1906): 681]. Ida de Clinton named in this record was the mother of William de Clinton, Earl of Huntingdon above.
In summary, we find that Sir John Pecche, Lord Pecche, died sometime before 3 March 1338, leaving four legitimate sons, John, Nicholas, Knt., Edmund, and Thomas, Knt. A fifth son, Ralph, is named in a Close Roll record dated 1329.
For interest's sake, the following is a list of the 17th Century New World immigrants that descend from Sir John Pecche, Knt., Lord Pecche (died c.1335):
Thomas Booth, Obadiah Bruen, Henry Corbin, Frances, Jane & Katherine Deighton, Samuel & William Torrey.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
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Reference:
National Archives, C 131/5/28
Description:
Debtor: John Pecche [deceased], formerly lord of Hampton in Arden [Hemlingford Hundred, Warwicks.].
Creditor: Walter le Walsh, clerk.
Amount: £300.
Before whom: In Chancery.
When taken: 05/02/1325
First term: 29/09/1329
Last term: 29/09/1329
Writ to: Sheriff of Warwicks. and Glos
Sent by: Chancery
Endorsement: Roger la Zouche, Sheriff of Warwicks replies that John, the son of John Pecche, knight, Nicholas Pecche, knight, and Edmund Pecche, hold the lands and tenements which John Pecche, formerly the lord of Hampton-in-Arden, held on the day of the recognisance. John Aubyn, clerk, Vicar of the Church of Hampton-in-Arden, holds none of these lands.
Note:
Date given for return to Chancery: 29.9.1338 M.2: Extent of the lands of John, the son and heir of John Pecche, formerly lord of Hampton-in-Arden, of Nicholas Pecche, knight, and of Edmund Pecche, made before Roger la Zouche, Sheriff of Warwicks, at Warwick, 3.3.1338. John Pecche the younger has at Blackwell [Oswaldslow Hundred, Warwicks] a messuage worth 2s. a year, 9 cottages worth 18s. a year. 8 acres of wood worth 1d an acre for pasture, and 3s. for brushwood. Rents worth 4m. Total value of John's lands and tenements 77s. a year. Nicholas Pecche, knight, holds the house and site of the manor of Hampton-in-Arden, worth 6d a year after expenses; a dovecot worth 40d; a water-mill worth 20s; 400 acres of arable worth 2d an acre; 80 acres of mowable meadow worth 12d an acre; 12 acres of pasture worth 6d. an acre. 100 acres of heath worth 1/4 d an acre; a park of 400 acres containing 100 acres of pasture worth 1d an acre. Brushwood worth 1/2 m. A close of 12 acres worth 1d an acre, with brushwood worth 3s.6d. A vineyard worth 12d. A fishpond worth 1m. Free rents worth 6s. 30 messuages and 30 virgates held by bondmen, each holding worth 15s. or £22 10s in total. 6 cottages worth 12d each. Court perquisites etc. Total value of lands and tenements in Hampton: £36 13s. 2d. Nicholas Pecche has also the manor of Honiley {Honylegh} [Barlichway Hundred, Warwicks] with a messuage, garden and vineyard worth 2s. A dovecot worth 2s. 160 acres of arable worth 2d an acre. 8 acres of mowable meadow worth 12d an acre. Heath, rents. Value of lands and tenements in Honiley: £4 5s. 2d. Total value of Nicholas's lands at Hampton and Honiley: £40 18s 4d. Edmund Pecche has at Fenny Compton a messuage, croft, vineyard worth 10s. a year; a dovecot worth 5s. 100 acres of arable worth 4d. an acre. rents of 40s. Total value of Edmund's lands at tenements £4 15s. 10d.,less payments to the Prior of Trentham and the Prior of Clatercote, leaving clear an annual value of 41s 4d. M.3.Writ to the sheriff of Glos., same parties and debt, dated Kennington 22 9.1338 Thomas de Berkeley of Cobberley, sheriff of Glos., replied that the writ was sent on to the Bailiff of Tewkesbury who extended at all the lands and tenements of Thomas Pecche, knight, the son of John Pecche, knight at Shenington [in Oxon, but part of Tewkesbury Hundred] A messuage worth 2s.; a water-mill worth 5s; 80 acres of arable worth 4d an acre; 7 acres of meadow worth 16d an acre. Pasture, rents. Sum total of lands and tenements: £6 13d. a year. M. 5: Apportionment of the shares of the heirs of John Pecche towards his debt: John the son of John: £21 9s 1/2 d; Nicholas Pecche: £233 4s 9d; Edmund Pecche: £11 11s 10 1/2 d; Thomas Pecche: £33 15s. 3 1/2 d. M.6: Writ to the Sheriff of Warwicks dated Kennington, 28.10. 1338, commanding the appearance of the heirs of John Pecche in Chancery on 2.2.1339 to satisfy the debt of £300.
Date: 1338 Feb 6
Held by: The National Archives, Kew
Language: English
Complete Peerage 10 (1945): 342-343 (sub Pecche) has a good account of Sir John Pecche, Knt., Lord Pecche, who died about 1335. He was summoned to Parliament from 15 May 1321 to 22 Jan. 1335/6, by writs directed Johanni Pecche, whereby he is held to have become Lord Pecche. Lord Pecche had a lengthy career in public service, he being Keeper of the Town and Castle of Warwick, 1321-6, Constable of Dover Castle and Warden of the Cinque Ports, 1323-4, and Keeper of Corfe Castle, 1325-9.
Complete Peerage asserts that Sir John Pecche "presumably" died about 1335, as the word "mortuus est" is written against his name in the list of the summonses to Parliament dated 1 April 1335.
Regarding his marriages, it is known that Lord Pecche had two wives. The first wife (and mother of his children) is unknown. His second wife whom he married in or before 1326 was Eleanor, widow of Ralph de Gorges, Knt., Lord Gorges. They had no issue. Eleanor survived him and was living in July 1341.
Regarding Lord Pecche's children, the records cited by Complete Peerage indicate that he had at least four children, namely Sir John (who Complete Peerage supposes was his son and heir apparent and that he died before his father), Nicholas, Edmund, and Ralph. The latter three sons, Nicholas, Edmund, and Ralph are known from a Close Rolls record dated 26 October 1329, in which John Pecche the elder [i.e., Lord Pecche] acknowledged debts to these three sons [Reference: Calendar of Close Rolls, 1327-30, pp. 578-579]. Complete Peerage states that Nicholas, Edmund, and Ralph "may have been illegitimate," but as we will see below, this was not the case. Also it appears that the eldest son, John, survived his father.
The Chancery record below sheds new light on Lord Pecche's surviving children. The record concerns a debt of £300, which Lord Pecche owed in 1325 to Walter le Walsh, clerk. This debt was apparently unpaid at the time of Lord Pecche's debts. Accordingly in 1338, his heirs were sued for the debt.
The heirs were named in 1338 as John [styled the younger], "the son and heir of John Pecche, formerly lord of Hampton-in-Arden," Nicholas Pecche, knight, Edmund Pecche, and Thomas Pecche, knight. On 28 October 1338 a writ was issued to the Sheriff of Warwickshire commanding the appearance of the heirs of John Pecche in Chancery on 2 Feb. 1338/9 to satisfy the debt of £300.
Curiously, Lord Pecche's son, Nicholas Pecche, is recorded as holding two of his father's manors, namely Hampton-in-Arden and Honiley, Warwickshire. Under normal conditions, this would typically mean that Nicholas Pecche was the eldest son and heir. However, the son John is clearly named "son and heir" of Lord Pecche in the record below and he is named first before Nicholas not once but twice. As an explanation as to how Nicholas obtained the two manors, I find that in 1318-19 Lord Pecche himself granted the manor of Honiley, Warwickshire to his younger son, Nicholas Pecche, for the term of his life [Reference: VCH Warwick 3 (1945): 120-123]. It is unknown how Nicholas obtained his father's chief seat at Hampton in Arden, but presumably it was also by his father's grant.
A clue to the identity of Lord Pecche's first wife (and mother of his children) is afforded by a letter written by William de Clinton, Earl of Huntingdon, dated c. January 1348, in which he names Thomas Peche as his "kinsman" [Reference: List of Ancient Correspondence of the Chancery & Exchequer (Lists and Indexes 15) (1902): 614; see also Index to Ancient Correspondence of the Chancery & Exchequer 1 (Lists and Indexes, Supp. Ser. 15) (1902): 278; Index to Ancient Correspondence of the Chancery & Exchequer 2 (Lists and Indexes, Supp. Ser. 15) (1902): 219].
Thomas Peche is surely the same individual as the younger son of Sir John Pecche, Lord Pecche named in the record below. As for other Clinton-Pecche associations, I find that in 1328 the executors of Ida, widow of John de Clinton sued John Pecche the elder [i.e., Lord Pecche] in the Court of the King's Bench [Reference: Index of Placita de Banco 1327-1328 2 (PRO Lists and Indexes 22) (1906): 681]. Ida de Clinton named in this record was the mother of William de Clinton, Earl of Huntingdon above.
In summary, we find that Sir John Pecche, Lord Pecche, died sometime before 3 March 1338, leaving four legitimate sons, John, Nicholas, Knt., Edmund, and Thomas, Knt. A fifth son, Ralph, is named in a Close Roll record dated 1329.
For interest's sake, the following is a list of the 17th Century New World immigrants that descend from Sir John Pecche, Knt., Lord Pecche (died c.1335):
Thomas Booth, Obadiah Bruen, Henry Corbin, Frances, Jane & Katherine Deighton, Samuel & William Torrey.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
+ + + + + + + +
Reference:
National Archives, C 131/5/28
Description:
Debtor: John Pecche [deceased], formerly lord of Hampton in Arden [Hemlingford Hundred, Warwicks.].
Creditor: Walter le Walsh, clerk.
Amount: £300.
Before whom: In Chancery.
When taken: 05/02/1325
First term: 29/09/1329
Last term: 29/09/1329
Writ to: Sheriff of Warwicks. and Glos
Sent by: Chancery
Endorsement: Roger la Zouche, Sheriff of Warwicks replies that John, the son of John Pecche, knight, Nicholas Pecche, knight, and Edmund Pecche, hold the lands and tenements which John Pecche, formerly the lord of Hampton-in-Arden, held on the day of the recognisance. John Aubyn, clerk, Vicar of the Church of Hampton-in-Arden, holds none of these lands.
Note:
Date given for return to Chancery: 29.9.1338 M.2: Extent of the lands of John, the son and heir of John Pecche, formerly lord of Hampton-in-Arden, of Nicholas Pecche, knight, and of Edmund Pecche, made before Roger la Zouche, Sheriff of Warwicks, at Warwick, 3.3.1338. John Pecche the younger has at Blackwell [Oswaldslow Hundred, Warwicks] a messuage worth 2s. a year, 9 cottages worth 18s. a year. 8 acres of wood worth 1d an acre for pasture, and 3s. for brushwood. Rents worth 4m. Total value of John's lands and tenements 77s. a year. Nicholas Pecche, knight, holds the house and site of the manor of Hampton-in-Arden, worth 6d a year after expenses; a dovecot worth 40d; a water-mill worth 20s; 400 acres of arable worth 2d an acre; 80 acres of mowable meadow worth 12d an acre; 12 acres of pasture worth 6d. an acre. 100 acres of heath worth 1/4 d an acre; a park of 400 acres containing 100 acres of pasture worth 1d an acre. Brushwood worth 1/2 m. A close of 12 acres worth 1d an acre, with brushwood worth 3s.6d. A vineyard worth 12d. A fishpond worth 1m. Free rents worth 6s. 30 messuages and 30 virgates held by bondmen, each holding worth 15s. or £22 10s in total. 6 cottages worth 12d each. Court perquisites etc. Total value of lands and tenements in Hampton: £36 13s. 2d. Nicholas Pecche has also the manor of Honiley {Honylegh} [Barlichway Hundred, Warwicks] with a messuage, garden and vineyard worth 2s. A dovecot worth 2s. 160 acres of arable worth 2d an acre. 8 acres of mowable meadow worth 12d an acre. Heath, rents. Value of lands and tenements in Honiley: £4 5s. 2d. Total value of Nicholas's lands at Hampton and Honiley: £40 18s 4d. Edmund Pecche has at Fenny Compton a messuage, croft, vineyard worth 10s. a year; a dovecot worth 5s. 100 acres of arable worth 4d. an acre. rents of 40s. Total value of Edmund's lands at tenements £4 15s. 10d.,less payments to the Prior of Trentham and the Prior of Clatercote, leaving clear an annual value of 41s 4d. M.3.Writ to the sheriff of Glos., same parties and debt, dated Kennington 22 9.1338 Thomas de Berkeley of Cobberley, sheriff of Glos., replied that the writ was sent on to the Bailiff of Tewkesbury who extended at all the lands and tenements of Thomas Pecche, knight, the son of John Pecche, knight at Shenington [in Oxon, but part of Tewkesbury Hundred] A messuage worth 2s.; a water-mill worth 5s; 80 acres of arable worth 4d an acre; 7 acres of meadow worth 16d an acre. Pasture, rents. Sum total of lands and tenements: £6 13d. a year. M. 5: Apportionment of the shares of the heirs of John Pecche towards his debt: John the son of John: £21 9s 1/2 d; Nicholas Pecche: £233 4s 9d; Edmund Pecche: £11 11s 10 1/2 d; Thomas Pecche: £33 15s. 3 1/2 d. M.6: Writ to the Sheriff of Warwicks dated Kennington, 28.10. 1338, commanding the appearance of the heirs of John Pecche in Chancery on 2.2.1339 to satisfy the debt of £300.
Date: 1338 Feb 6
Held by: The National Archives, Kew
Language: English
Douglas Richardson
May 7, 2014, 1:46:28 PM5/7/14
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Dear Newsgroup ~
In a previous post, I noted that a certain Thomas Peche was styled "kinsman" by William de Clinton, Earl of Huntingdon, in a letter written c.January 1348.
I tentatively identified Thomas Peche as being same individual as Sir Thomas Pecche, of Shenington, Oxfordshire, a known younger son of Sir John Pecche, Lord Pecche [died c.1335].
Support for that identification can be found in Wrottesley, Crecy & Calais (1898): 106, 156, which may be viewed at the following weblinks:
http://books.google.com/books/reader?id=dcNnAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&output=reader&pg=GBS.PA106
http://books.google.com/books/reader?id=dcNnAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&output=reader&pg=GBS.PA156
On page 106 we find that Sir Thomas Peche and Sir Edmund Peche his brother had returned from Calais with the king's permission shortly before 1 Jan. 1346/7, they having both served in the retinue of William de Clinton, Earl of Huntingdon.
On page 156 Edmund Pecche and Sir Thomas Pecche are again stated to have served in the retinue of William de Clinton, Earl of Huntingdon.
Given that Sir Thomas Pecche, son of John, Lord Pecche, is known to have had a brother named Edmund Pecche, it seems certain that they are the same two individuals who served in William de Clinton's retinue in 1346 and that Sir Thomas Pecche, son of John, Lord Pecche, is the Thomas Peche styled "kinsman" by Earl William de Clinton in 1348.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
In a previous post, I noted that a certain Thomas Peche was styled "kinsman" by William de Clinton, Earl of Huntingdon, in a letter written c.January 1348.
I tentatively identified Thomas Peche as being same individual as Sir Thomas Pecche, of Shenington, Oxfordshire, a known younger son of Sir John Pecche, Lord Pecche [died c.1335].
Support for that identification can be found in Wrottesley, Crecy & Calais (1898): 106, 156, which may be viewed at the following weblinks:
http://books.google.com/books/reader?id=dcNnAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&output=reader&pg=GBS.PA106
http://books.google.com/books/reader?id=dcNnAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&output=reader&pg=GBS.PA156
On page 106 we find that Sir Thomas Peche and Sir Edmund Peche his brother had returned from Calais with the king's permission shortly before 1 Jan. 1346/7, they having both served in the retinue of William de Clinton, Earl of Huntingdon.
On page 156 Edmund Pecche and Sir Thomas Pecche are again stated to have served in the retinue of William de Clinton, Earl of Huntingdon.
Given that Sir Thomas Pecche, son of John, Lord Pecche, is known to have had a brother named Edmund Pecche, it seems certain that they are the same two individuals who served in William de Clinton's retinue in 1346 and that Sir Thomas Pecche, son of John, Lord Pecche, is the Thomas Peche styled "kinsman" by Earl William de Clinton in 1348.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
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